SM Jman vs MS Sasuke

[Penguin]

I give it to SM Jiraiya. If Sasuke is in Susano'o, Jiraiya sinks him with Doton: Yomi Numa and melts him with Sage Art: Geomon. Boss Toads give MS Sasuke trouble as it would make him Amaterasu them, decreasing Sasuke's chakra levels immensely.

 

[Draegod]

I see all these people stating that Jiraiya will win, yet I can't say I see how Jiraiya will have any chance of avoiding the Amaterasu. The speed of the technique is far too great, even when in Sennin Modo.

As for the Yomi Numa, the technique should be quite avoidable. Jiraiya used the technique in a battle where many different shinobi and summons clashed against each other, it won't be the same in a one on one. Sasuke will be close to Jiraiya in this scenario, and due to the Sharingan's ability to see Chakra, he'll be able to see as Jiraiya channels his Chakra into the ground below in order to turn it into a swamp, where getting even closer to Jiraiya to a safe location [Since I'm assuming Jiraiya won't want to drown himself too], will be a logical next step. The Yomi Numa is a long range technique, which is most useful when it comes to long range battles which preferably include more than one Shinobi on the battlefield, but it won't be too effective when it comes to a one on one battle against a Shinobi which will be able to see as Jiraiya channels his Chakra into the ground.

I don't see how Jiraiya is winning this, especially since he has no counter whatsoever when it comes to the Amaterasu.​

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Instant damn near... Nothing tells you it is coming!

 

[Champ]

Glad nb is still full of idiots. Lightning > Earth, Chidori nagashi negates swamp underworld

 

[Unorthodox]

onesided like a mf sasuke winss Susanoo arrow shits

 

[blazekev90]

^^^Nothing was ine sided, stop whining

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Glad nb is still full of idiots. Lightning > Earth, Chidori nagashi negates swamp underworld

lol doesn't work like that.

Lightning beats Earth because it cracks it, but Yomi Numa is a swamp, what will lightning do to it?

 

[slimreaper]

why do people think SM user other than kabuto can dodge arrows? kabuto had to morph his body to dodge it. a regular spin like naruto did against the 3rd raikage won't work. not to mention naruto had what would seem like an eternity to prepare his defense angiasnt that attack.compared to an arrow it was mighty slow

 

[Turson]

why do people think SM user other than kabuto can dodge arrows? kabuto had to morph his body to dodge it.

What? Kabuto clearly said that he dodged it becuase of his sensing abilities.

a regular spin like naruto did against the 3rd raikage won't work.

I dont see why not.

not to mention naruto had what would seem like an eternity to prepare his defense angiasnt that attack.compared to an arrow it was mighty slow

What? He just activated SM and was just standing in place when 3rd charged at him. There is no proof that Susanoo arrow is faster than Raikages when using Shunshin.

OT: Sasuke takes this with mid difficulty. SM Jiraiya is imperfect sage, he has no sensing feats, and speed alone wouldnt allow him to dodge Amaterasu.

 

[slimreaper]

What? Kabuto clearly said that he dodged it becuase of his sensing abilities.

I dont see why not.

What? He just activated SM and was just standing in place when 3rd charged at him. There is no proof that Susanoo arrow is faster than Raikages when using Shunshin.

OT: Sasuke takes this with mid difficulty. SM Jiraiya is imperfect sage, he has no sensing feats, and speed alone wouldnt allow him to dodge Amaterasu.

and im not saying sensing didn't play a part, but he clearly has a advantage naruto doesn't

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notice he wasn't in his human form yet. that snake form gives him an advantage over naruto and j-man.

as far as naruto having time to dodge the arrow, just ask you're self. would kakashi have been forced to use kamui to react to the raikage running at him? no, naruto had plenty of time to activate SM and a rasengan and just wait. that is time he isn't afforded when being attack by a speeding arrow.

 

[Turson]

notice he wasn't in his human form yet. that snake form gives him an advantage over naruto and j-man.

I dont see how it was advantage, considering that he had no legs. That was a major disadvantage if anything.

would kakashi have been forced to use kamui to react to the raikage running at him?

If he wasnt able to dodge that arrow, he wouldnt be able to dodge 3rd using Shunshin, thats for sure.

no, naruto had plenty of time to activate SM

Well, of course, Im talking about character that is already in SM. The 3rd charge by istelf was lightning fast, so was Narutos evasion, what happened moments before is meaningless.

 

[slimreaper]

I dont see how it was advantage, considering that he had no legs. That was a major disadvantage if anything.

If he wasnt able to dodge that arrow, he wouldnt be able to dodge 3rd using Shunshin, thats for sure.

Well, of course, Im talking about character that is already in SM. The 3rd charge by istelf was lightning fast, so was Narutos evasion, what happened moments before is meaningless.

the third has no foot speed feats. he has evasion feats but no real speed to notice.

the snake form wasn't a disadvantage as I said earlier he could morph his body, something a human can't do.
and legs are overrated

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naruto wouldn't be able to dodge an arrow with his current reaction feats. If he didn't have all day to prep I might think differently

 

[Turson]

the third has no foot speed feats. he has evasion feats but no real speed to notice.

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3rd was very fast, manga tells us that much.

the snake form wasn't a disadvantage as I said earlier he could morph his body, something a human can't do.

Kabuto said it clearly - he dodged that arrow becuase of sensing, not becuase of snake like body.

and legs are overrated

Legs gives you more speed.

naruto wouldn't be able to dodge an arrow with his current reaction feats.

I dont see a reason why SM Naruto wouldnt be able to dodge it, let alone BSM Naruto who should dodge it with easy.

 

[slimreaper]

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3rd was very fast, manga tells us that much.

Kabuto said it clearly - he dodged that arrow becuase of sensing, not becuase of snake like body.

Legs gives you more speed.

I dont see a reason why SM Naruto wouldnt be able to dodge it, let alone BSM Naruto who should dodge it with easy.

the argument isn't about BSM this is about sage mode. like i've said before man, the third raikage only has reaction feats. he has no proper speed feats

how do you not see that kabuto changing the shape of his body had an effect on his ability to dodge. if he didn't need to he wouldn't have done it, he would have just side stepped with his body

and naruto has no reaction feats to suggest he dodges an arrow because every single attack he has reacted to has been telegraphed to him.

 

[Turson]

raikage only has reaction feats. he has no proper speed feats

Doesnt need them, manga makes it clear he was very fast.

how do you not see that kabuto changing the shape of his body had an effect on his ability to dodge.

Um... what?

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What are you talking about?

if he didn't need to he wouldn't have done it, he would have just side stepped with his body

Well, thats exaclty what happened.

and naruto has no reaction feats to suggest he dodges an arrow

Like I said, if he was able to dodge 3rd and his Shunshin I see no reason why he wouldnt be able to doge Susanoo arrow.

 

[slimreaper]

Doesnt need them, manga makes it clear he was very fast.

Um... what?

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What are you talking about?

Well, thats exaclty what happened.

Like I said, if he was able to dodge 3rd and his Shunshin I see no reason why he wouldnt be able to doge Susanoo arrow.

shut up, the third raikage isn't faster than an arrow plain and simple.

 

[Turson]

shut up, the third raikage isn't faster than an arrow plain and simple.

Im not saying hes faster, but his speed while using Shunshin should be at least comparable. As manga says "Raikages are incredibly fast".

 

[NarutoIndra]

Doesnt need them, manga makes it clear he was very fast.

Um... what?

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What are you talking about?

Well, thats exaclty what happened.

Like I said, if he was able to dodge 3rd and his Shunshin I see no reason why he wouldnt be able to doge Susanoo arrow.

Jiraiya has no sensing feats. He couldn't even sense Asura path here [

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].. The Perfect SM sensing helps with predicting movements since you can use two sensory perceptions, instead of a single one being visual perception. When you can use both, you end up doing feats like this[

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]. To make it simple: Jiraiya won't react.

 

[Zexion~]

Sasuke wins easily

 

[Xlad]

November 11>NV

Nah, I think Sasuke wins this.

 

[Turson]

Jiraiya has no sensing feats.

I know that, thats what I said in my earlier post. What I was saying was concerning Naruto only, a little offtop.