SM Jman vs MS Sasuke

[VolatileSoul]

It's a sinlge hand seal and amat has prep

It has two seals and the only prep Amaterasu has is looking at the target. Unless Jiraiya starts this fight while he is hidden, then it doesn't even matter as sharingan will allow Sasuke to predict what Jiraiya is going to do.

 

[NarutoIndra]

Jiraiya wins with all the advantages OP gave him.

 

[Optimistic]

It has two seals and the only prep Amaterasu has is looking at the target. Unless Jiraiya starts this fight while he is hidden, then it doesn't even matter as sharingan will allow Sasuke to predict what Jiraiya is going to do.

Amaterasu(MS users only) go like this:

1.Activate MS
2.Build chakra in eye(this can vary depending on what size the user wants it)
3.Eye bleeds
4.Amaterasu!

The moment he builds up chakra SM users(the best sensors) will sense it.

 

[Smd]

Sick Itachi < MS Sasuke =< Healthy Itachi <<< EMS Sasuke <<< Current EMS Sasuke(with legs and PS).

'Sasuke didn't get on Itachi's level until recently' dafaq is this? the moment he got EMS he was stronger than Itachi.



No he wouldn't.

lol wtf?

sick itachi is underated.

Ms sasuke is underated

op- sasuke mid diff

 

[blazekev90]

Amaterasu(MS users only) go like this:

1.Activate MS
2.Build chakra in eye(this can vary depending on what size the user wants it)
3.Eye bleeds
4.Amaterasu!

The moment he builds up chakra SM users(the best sensors) will sense it.

thank you for explaining that to him =D

 

[Optimistic]

lol wtf?

sick itachi is underated.

Ms sasuke is underated

op- sasuke mid diff

I respect your opinion.

 

[Strict]

1.Activate MS
2.Build chakra in eye(this can vary depending on what size the user wants it)
3.Eye bleeds
4.Amaterasu!

Good one.

Amaterasu works instantly [

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Even perfect Sage's can't react to the instant of Amaterasu. Sasuke cast Amaterasu right at Kabuto's feet, without killing intention [

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It's annoying to discuss common things with members who don't have an idea about the subject matter.

You need Raikage A's speed to dodge Amaterasu, that's how this technique was portrayed. Anything else is bs.

The sensing of Sages is based on the increased perception ability, as Kabuto stated. Naruto stated that he can feel danger better. That doesn't help against Amaterasu, as demonstrated at the fight with DSM Kabuto, who almost ran into an Amaterasu, which was cast before his feet without killing intent. He didn't even have any facial expression telling us that he saw it coming.

 

[HNIC]

Good one.

Amaterasu works instantly [

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Even perfect Sage's can't react to the instant of Amaterasu. Sasuke cast Amaterasu right at Kabuto's feet, without killing intention [

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]. He could have aimed at Kabuto's body as well if for the killing intent. You see how the flame appeared right before Kabuto and see Kabuto in the middle panel braking before running into the flames.

It's annoying to discuss common things with members who don't have an idea about the subject matter.

You need Raikage A's speed to dodge Amaterasu, that's how this technique was portrayed. Anything else is bs.

The sensing of Sages is based on the increased perception ability, as Kabuto stated. Naruto stated that he can feel danger better. That doesn't help against Amaterasu, as demonstrated at the fight with DSM Kabuto, who almost ran into an Amaterasu, which was cast before his feet without killing intent. He didn't even have any facial expression telling us that he saw it coming.

Instant yet blood appeared down his face the moment it was used, compared it no blood being there beforehand? That's far from instant.

You worry too much about the matter of dodging and no other means of avoiding amaterasu. Sage Mode users can sense chakra, i dont see how thet are unable to sense chakra building up in ones eye.

 

[Champ]

Sasuke, Enton magatama turns him to ash

 

[Strict]

Instant yet blood appeared down his face the moment it was used, compared it no blood being there beforehand? That's far from instant.

You worry too much about the matter of dodging and no other means of avoiding amaterasu. Sage Mode users can sense chakra, i dont see how thet are unable to sense chakra building up in ones eye.

Doesn't matter. The Manga shows that a user of the DSM can't react at Amaterasu. Neither he feels its usage, nor he has the speed to dodge. Period. No need to debate against canon things.

 

[Strict]

Doesn't matter. The Manga shows that a user of the DSM can't react at Amaterasu. Neither he feels its usage, nor he has the speed to dodge. Period. No need to debate against canon things.

I can only repeat what I've said in the other thread regarding that matter.

MS Sasuke beats Jiraiya. The MS is a force not even a Sage Mode user (at least not an imperfect Sage) can trump. EMS Sasuke

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, with the difference that Sasuke damaged his vision largely at this point, justified by his invasion at the Kage summit and the fight with Danzo and his Izanagi. He just used his MS so excessively, that he reached the level of eye damage Itachi received within years. Jiraiya isn't beating the peak of MS Sasuke. Naruto stated that he would need Kyuubi's Chakra to beat him, when he was already a perfect Sage.

Jiraiya however barely reached Sage Mode against an opponent of Chikushodo's level. The summons which allowed Jiraiya to be on even grounds with Chikushodo, were his summons, which are however one shotted by Blaze Release or Amaterasu.

Chikushodo, that's Jiraiya's level, until he manages to enter Sage Mode after a long persecution of Chikushodo. And here, Jiraiya should have the capabilities to withstand an MS user with powerful Genjutsu, Amaterasu, Enton and Susanoo? Laughable.

I think that slowly but surely some members should accept the fact that Sannin are nothing compared to Uchiha who achieved that level of ocular powers. Orochimaru lost to a 13 year old 3T Itachi, Jiraiya fought on even grounds with Chikushodo. That's a sad but true story. He isn't going to beat the Mangekyo Sharingan.

 

[HNIC]

Doesn't matter. The Manga shows that a user of the DSM can't react at Amaterasu. Neither he feels its usage, nor he has the speed to dodge. Period. No need to debate against canon things.

smh! Again your focus is speed.

There no "period" as you have not presented anything factual. Kabuto didn't try to react because he didnt need to. 1) They couldn't kill him in order to release Edo 2) He could easily shed his skin if needed

You seem to ignore the fact that amaterasu travels and "not appear" on the target instantly. Ay has proven this.

The user must lock onto the opponent and amaterasu travels to the designated target. However, if something was to get inbetween the target and the user, amterasu collide with that.

On this occasion Itachi uses the same steps to use amaterasu, yet Bee still had enough time to throw kunia and possbily stop him if Nagato didnt intervine,

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Now, if Jman was to notice the prep of Amaterasu he could very well use a jutsu the can get inbetween him and Sasuke. Thi preferably, something that would force Sasuke to react.

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Whatever else you recently added isnt noteworthy, as it does not pertain to this match

 

[KingHashirama]

Jiraiya .. O-o.

 

[Strict]

That procedure is only made once. It's the same pressure Zetsu felt upon preparation [

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]. Itachi also proved that he can use Amaterasu without this time-wasting [

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]. It's also a difference to sense such details like changing heat in Itachi's near surroundings while fighting him, or to stand next to him. You are just wrong on all occasions. Amaterasu doesn't travel, nor did Kabuto react at Amaterasu, we saw no facial expression suggesting it. Sasuke, who is the combatant here anyway, used Amaterasu instantly on several occasions. No matter of the eye bleed, Jiraiya simply can't dodge it. And you may forget that Jiraiya first have to enter Sage Mode.

I'm slowly tired. Sasuke wins. Because Jiraiya can't win against an MS user when standing on even grounds with Chikushodo in base and requires 10 minutes to enter Sage Mode under the pressurize of someone of Chikushodo's level.

 

[HNIC]

That procedure is only made once. It's the same pressure Zetsu felt upon preparation [

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]. And guess what? Nagato didn't sense the actual usage of Amaterasu nearly, he was completely surprised by it [

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]. Itachi also proved that he can use Amaterau without this time-wasting [

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]. It's also a difference to sense such details like changing heat in Itachi's near surroundings while fighting him, or to stand next to him. You are just wrong on all occasions. Amaterasu doesn't travel, nor did Kabuto react at Amaterasu, we saw no facial expression suggesting it. Sasuke, who is the combatant here anyway, used Amaterasu instantly on several occasions. No matter of the eye bleed, Jiraiya simply can't dodge it. And you may forget that Jiraiya first have to enter Sage Mode.

I'm slowly tired. Sasuke wins. Because Jiraiya can't win against an MS user when standin on even grounds with Chikushodo in base and requires 10 minutes to enter Sage Mode under the pressurize of someone of Chikushodo's level.

the first sentence alone is a fail. Zetsu was referring to Itachi beginning to take things serious, Amaterasu was sideline conversation in waits to finally see it. They did not assume Itachi was using it at the very moment.

It doesnt matter if Nagato was wrong or not, the point is it's the same exact preparation. Yes, I am ware of the fact that this is done at the initial use of amaterau.

Again, other members have addressed Itachi using amaterasu what appeared to be "faster" at that time. However, as we know amaterasu requires concentration, in the situation Itachi AND Sasuke used amterasu recklessly as there was no distinct target. The less concentration use, the fast but also less accurate.

1) I didnt say Kabuto reacted, I said he didn't need to. try again

2) you have no argument.

Amaterasu requires prep on its first use and I even set up a situation that could have played out. Instead to try to blow past that talking about...well um...it's instant. We've seen two people dodge it and one block it.

 

[Strict]

Why would the air around him change if he goes serious..? He wanted to use Amaterasu, as seen in the next page.
The only one dodging it were those who are faster than the Sharingan's sight, and the one who blocked it was Juubi's Jin, possessing anything, even sensing, on a far higher level. You are also wrong regarding Kabuto. But I won't continue this, so I'll leave with my opinion and you with your. Enough has been said from my side.

 

[HNIC]

Why would the air around him change if he goes serious..? He wanted to use Amaterasu, as seen in the next page.
The only one dodging it were those who are faster than the Sharingan's sight, and the one who blocked it was Juubi's Jin, possessing anything, even sensing, on a far higher level. You are also wrong regarding Kabuto. But I won't continue this, so I'll leave with my opinion and you with your. Enough has been said from my side.

Did you see the Orochimaru and Hokage fight, the moment they got serious the air got so intense the environment was effected.

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Zetsu comments on Itachi getting serious.

But fine, you have that opinion and I'll have the better one =D

 

[Professor Finesser]

Jiraiya might not originally have perfect sage mode like Naruto, but SM nonetheless still whoops any MS or EMS user. It got proven with Kabuto vs Itachi and Sasuke.

Swamp of the Underworld pulls Sasuke to his death. GG

Sasuke and Itachi had a hard time because the goal was to incapacitate but not kill Kabuto. That alone put the tide in Kabutos favor.

 

[HNIC]

Sasuke and Itachi had a hard time because the goal was to incapacitate but not kill Kabuto. That alone put the tide in Kabutos favor.

Kabuto had the same intentions, so there were no intent advantages.

 

[Bieber]

MS Sasuke wins with mid-diff at best.