[Theory] Sasuke's EMS is not EMS.

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I dont think it would matter if itachi's eyes were lightless (which is not explicit in the manga), since madara's blind eyes plus izunas together formed the EMS. There's also nothing that states 2 blind eyes cant form EMS.

Since madara hasnt seemed to use MS or EMS yet I would guess that he probably doesnt have the ability for whatever reason and, thus, needs sasuke to gain EMS so that he can take it.
 

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Madara is a master of the sharingan so i doubt he doesn't have a method to control sasuke if he ever tried to kill him. Sasuke just got his eyes, he knows nothing about them, just spam susanoo ,amatersu without thinking.
So nice theory but i doubt it.
 

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ur theory is quite except for the rinnegan part.......yeah madara convinced sasuke to join him and work for him...madara wanted his sub-ordinate to be strong but not so much strong to even defeat him........maybe that wud be the reason madara wont give rinnegan to sasuke.............and ur quite right in saying that madara has not given EMS as madara can then lose easily to sasuke(sasuke is younger,quicker+his abilities with sharingan is very strong)so might be that madara gave sasuke's eyes a lil' power up but not total EMS.after sasuke thinkin that he has the EMS,uses it extensively and then weakens them.............he will go back to madara to ask y his eyes hv b'come weak,then probably madara wud cheat him by sayin that he himself wanted itachi's eyes which were very weak......probably sasuke wud hv done the work madara asked him to do and then madara wud try to finish him off,but probably naruto(if not captured)wud save sasuke,u noe the whole bond thingg or sasuke will protect himself or sumthin like that

OR

ur theory might be wrong since i was never stated in manga that during eye transplantation,cornea is removed or lens......maybe some other eye part(optic nerve,iris,aqueous solution or retina)is transplanted
 

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I'll try to decipher those myriad of questions.

1) danzo's eyes
How would you know if the eyes were damaged or not? To our knowledge, only Sasuke, Madara, and Itachi awoke their EMS naturally. However, Kakashi somehow got around to cracking his own EMS, despite not having any Uchiha blood. Although he doesn't have access to the more commonly known EMS abilities like susanoo and amaterasu, he has his own variation of a space/time jutsu (his black hole vortex thing), which Madara stated would be useless against him. We have never seen this tech performed by anyone else, so my logical conclusion is that it's a unique ability derived from the sharingan that can only be performed by kakashi, despite it probably spawning from a previous, established sharingan ability.

This leads me to my next point; how could danzo have possibly known the extent of usage of all Uchiha eyes? Surely the elder or more battle-prone Uchihas had their eyes more used than their younger kin. It cannot be said that eyes having lost over 70% of their light cannot be used for Izanagi. I agree that not all Uchiha had lusts for battle, but it cannot be denied that they were known as a swar clan.

2) Hashirama's DNA
His DNA has everything to do with the eyes when it comes to Izanagi, because both senju and uchiha DNA are needed for the tech.

3) and 4)
I don't understand your questions. Needs better structuring :)

5) Sasuke's eyes
Not sure who did the implanting, probably Zetsu. Remember that Kakashi got his eye in the heat of battle, and got it transferred by some young genin girl. I don't think eye implantation is the issue here.
I'm not going to bother answering all those questions because it has nothing to do with my theory. Kakashi does NOT have the EMS and Please do your research, every MS or EMS has their very own unique abilities when Sasuke had his MS his abilities were Tsuyikomi & Susanoo he only got Amaterasu because after his fight against Itachi, Itachi had tapped his head and somehow transfered his Amaterasu into him. Madara and Kakashi however both have Space time techniques as Kakashi MS has Kamui and Madara has some unamed space time techiniques. Just because they have MS doesn't mean EVERYONE will get the same Techniques, they all get their unique abilities Sasuke only had Itachi abilities because they're siblings, Understand? Now don't bring in stuff about Danzo eyes and stuff, because even if they're damaged he did not use them to SEE, they were a boost to him using Izangi, So it wouldn't of had mattered if they were damaged or not. You really don't understand do you? I said Madara IMPLANTED Itachi's MS into Sasuke eyes so how the f'ck do you if Madara done something with it or not?
Read the manga, Fag.

your theory fails because the eyes are not replaced, it's a seal, the eyes of itachi are sealed on top of sasuke's eyes. so sasuke still got his eyes, but now is "fusion" of sasuke and itachi's eyes.
Listen D#uchebag.;)
Please don't even bother saying my theory "fails", when your whole post fails, Got it? Read your own post tell me where in the Manga it says the eyes are replaced by a seal, and Yes it is a "fusion" of both eyes, it's called the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Read the Manga.

he does not have ems only ms because he have ms when itachi gave him ms
I'm not going to even waste my time on you.U_U
 
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idiots like you are the ones that spoil people,-__- next time if you don't want to spam someone idiot,don't put sasuke's EMS in the title because in the anime it still hasn't shown


but the theory has some truth to it,nicely put
 
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idiots like you are the ones that spoil people,-__- next time if you don't want to spam someone idiot,don't put sasuke's EMS in the title because in the anime it still hasn't shown


but the theory has some truth to it,nicely put
wow, you're smart. Majority of people who watch the Anime, don't really know what EMS stands for? and Now why don't you STFU and stop flaming, Got it? Don't act like a b#tch on my thread, faggot. You're acting as if you've never spoiled something for people but you have so that makes you much more of an idiot for calling me an idiot, snm. D#uche.;)

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Note: Please read this before you go ahead reading My theory. This may be a *SPOILER* to some people so if it is please stop reading this and go back and look at other threads and also before you post something on my thread disagreeing with my theory please provide evidence FROM the Naruto Manga. Thank you.
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My Theory ~ Sasuke's EMS is not EMS​

From what I know so far, How Sasuke got his EMS is not really the same as how Madara got his when he took Izuna's eyes. As the story goes, Madara was blind and he either stole or was given his brother's HEALTHY eyes, which gave him a new permanent source of light.

In Sasuke's case, he was near blind and he took Itachi's BLIND eyes as replacement. I'm pretty sure Itachi was blind during the final moments of his fight with Sasuke's because if you remember, when Orochimaru came out of Sasuke, Itachi sensed his chakra rather than simply seeing that it was Orochimaru. So what I'm saying is, Sasuke has replaced his eyes with one that's in a worser condition than his own. Also, this wasn't a case of just plucking Itachi's eyes out. Madara had possession of Itachi's eyes awhile before it was given to Sasuke and whose to say that he hasn't tampered with them before giving it to Sasuke.


One thing is clear though. There's no way Madara will give Sasuke such power unless;
A) He knows how to quickly cancel it out if Sasuke became a problem.
B) It's not really Itachi's eyes that Sasuke has got.

Either way, Madara knows Sasuke is not like Kisame or Zetsu, his loyal surbodinate. He knows that Sasuke can just as easily TRY and kill him than help him so why give him such power?

Sasuke's hasn't got EMS in the sense of Madara having once had it. It could be a power that actually harms him and makes him more easily controlled to Madara and Itachi being the forward thinker that he was, knew Madara would want Sauke to take his diseased eyes for that purpose, So that the Gift Itachi had given Naruto was the power to stop and remove that control over Sasuke which could make sasuke completely blind? Which is why Itachi hoped Naruto wouldn't have to use it.

He may also have implanted the Rinnegan onto Sasuke's other eye, so while he had control over Sasuke he also synced him with Gedo Mazo as we know Madara needed him for that role. What do you guys think?
Also don't forget you get a new tech when you get ems, so i think Madara would be stupid and more important uncharacteristic to the cunning he's shown so far in the series if he didn't take advantage of sasuke's moment of weakness.
 

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Id like out a fue bad points made by people commenting

1. Madara when blind did not know he would get EMS when he took his brothers eye's he thought he would just gain a new light not a everlasting one. Its only after he started to use it alot that i expect he wondered why he wasnt losing his light again. Also we have never seen madara/tobi use EMS

2. Only Ms users lose their light so danzo's eyes were perfectly healthy.

3. Sasukes eye transpalnt was only showing in the chapter after the killing of kohan so he could have one rennigan

i think you theory could happen heck anything could happen :s he could have two banki's for eyes :L
i am always right :cool: sasuke got his eyes before the killing of konan :D
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Remember that Madara is full of himself and doesn't think he can be beaten so chances are he just gave Itachi's eyes to Sasuke without thinking of Sasuke turning on him or the possibility he might lose if Sasuke turns.
Madara took on Konan and underestimated her abilities and overestimated his own and he paid a hefty price for it.
I'm pretty sure madara has a back up plan! He knows there's a possibility that sasuke might turn on him! When madara fought konan remember that she had been trying to set up that trap for a long time! If they fought with out her doing that she wouldn't of stood a chance against him!
 

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Madara is a master of the sharingan so i doubt he doesn't have a method to control sasuke if he ever tried to kill him. Sasuke just got his eyes, he knows nothing about them, just spam susanoo ,amatersu without thinking.
So nice theory but i doubt it.
Again with the people saying he spams them! He used them in the time of trouble, if he hadn't used them he would have been dead by now! Talk about naruto spamming his jutsus instead! I am not a sasuke fan boy either, I don't even really like him that much!
 

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wow, you're smart. Majority of people who watch the Anime, don't really know what EMS stands for? and Now why don't you STFU and stop flaming, Got it? Don't act like a b#tch on my thread, faggot. You're acting as if you've never spoiled something for people but you have so that makes you much more of an idiot for calling me an idiot, snm. D#uche.;)

and Thanks.
thank you,i know i am smart,and everyone knows what EMS is,it has been shown,so before making dumb assumptions just shut the f*ck up and get back to your family basement and live your miserable life and no i don't get it because i have a hard time listening to little idiots who think that they can actually flame while failing at life so miserably,and i pity fools that say"makes you much more of an idiot for calling me an idiot" seriously born yesterday?find a better way to insult someone douchebag.

No problem.
 
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