Sasuke vs Hashirama,Tobirama,Minato and Kabuto

[LuckyMan]

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we can see here that the CT were the same size as the roots of the god treee,
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and we can also see that Sasukes PS is not even visible infront of the meteors

here we can also see that some meteors are larger than the others, being even larger than the root of the god tree,

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hell even nagatos CT dwarves mountains, as shown below

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now compare madaras PS to mountains

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and sasukes PS to the meteors

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just goes to show how large the meteors really are

people seriously need to realise how large the meteors really were,
not to mention that a CT is alot more durable then a mere rock of the same size,
therefore emphasising the power of rikudo PS even more,

had madara been in that scenario, he wouldnt have survived at all

The manga is drawn in so many different fashions to put emphasis on different things. Trying to scale those meteors that were drawn in so many different sizes to put emphasis on Susanoo, Narutos attack, the curvature of the earth, the mountains in the BG, the shinobi alliance etc etc will be impossible. Scaling manga pages will almost always be wrong besides obvious ones (like Naruto being taller than Sasuke) so we have to wait until the anime releases the episode so we can see exactly how large they are.

 

[Stxluciferr]

The manga is drawn in so many different fashions to put emphasis on different things. Trying to scale those meteors that were drawn in so many different sizes to put emphasis on Susanoo, Narutos attack, the curvature of the earth, the mountains in the BG, the shinobi alliance etc etc will be impossible. Scaling manga pages will almost always be wrong besides obvious ones (like Naruto being taller than Sasuke) so we have to wait until the anime releases the episode so we can see exactly how large they are.

It's odd that you brought up the inability to effective scale or measure this manga when earlier in thread you shot down Sasuke's speed based on Sasuke's inability to outrun the closing portal in the desert, without having an effective way to measure how long the portal was actually open

 

[LuckyMan]

It's odd that you bring up the inability to effective scale or measure this manga when earlier in thread you shot down Sasuke speed based on Sasuke's inability to outrun the closing portal in the desert, without having an effective way to measure how long the portal was actually open

We're talking about the scaling of the meteors and their size. Your talking about time. Obviously no one can scale how much time has passed between still manga panels but I can scale the size of two humans beings and come to the conclusion that Ay is taller than Sasuke.

 

[Stxluciferr]

We're talking about the scaling of the meteors and their size. Your talking about time. Obviously no one can scale how much time has passed between still manga panels but I can the size of two humans beings and come to the conclusion that Ay is taller than Sasuke.

That's my point mate, if we can't effectively scale the time how can we use it to shoot down the speed

 

[ARGUS]

The manga is drawn in so many different fashions to put emphasis on different things. Trying to scale those meteors that were drawn in so many different sizes to put emphasis on Susanoo, Narutos attack, the curvature of the earth, the mountains in the BG, the shinobi alliance etc etc will be impossible. Scaling manga pages will almost always be wrong besides obvious ones (like Naruto being taller than Sasuke) so we have to wait until the anime releases the episode so we can see exactly how large they are.

show me a scan that says otherwise,
because its clear as day that the meteors are much larger than ur average mountain,

we cant even see ssaukes PS infront of the meteor, its a tiny dot infront of it,
yet madaras PS is clearly visible infront of the mountains,

logic and common sense dictate that Meteors are larger

and Lol, Sasuke is taller than naruto so ur wrong there as well

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Sasuke craps on them. The only difficulty is FTG, which will prolong the fight, but Sasuke will constantly have the upper hand until he finally kills them.

 

[LuckyMan]

That's my point mate, if we can't effectively scale the time how can we use it to shoot down the speed

Because of many things.

We can use logic and deduce that the portal was open for at least some seconds because Sakura and Obito had time to look through each dimension for Sasuke and when they found him they had time to talk to him. Even if we don't know exactly how long the portal was open to a tee, we at least know that much, thats common sense.

In that other thread, someone claimed Sasukes bare foot speed was enough to blitz JJ Madara. Foot speed is moving on your feat without chakra enhanced to vitalize your body (Shunshin). We know Gai does not use shunshin, he uses foot speed, so since Gai couldn't blitz JJ Madara until he moved so fast he created after images and distorted space itself, then Sasukes bare foot speed must be faster than that. Its absurd and preposterous to even begin to think that way and we know its not true, no discussion needed. Period. What about shunshin now? Its uses chakra to vitalize the body to move at incredible speeds. If Sasukes foot speed is already that fast (faster than 8G Gai) his shunshin would be way more faster than that. He'd be entering the realm of low-mid level DBZ characters and thats just plain laughable.


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show me a scan that says otherwise,
because its clear as day that the meteors are much larger than ur average mountain,

we cant even see ssaukes PS infront of the meteor, its a tiny dot infront of it,
yet madaras PS is clearly visible infront of the mountains,

logic and common sense dictate that Meteors are larger

and Lol, Sasuke is taller than naruto so ur wrong there as well

We'll see when the anime comes off filler break.

 

[Stxluciferr]

Because of many things.

We can use logic and deduce that the portal was open for at least some seconds because Sakura and Obito had time to look through each dimension for Sasuke and when they found him they had time to talk to him. Even if we don't know exactly how long the portal was open to a tee, we at least know that much, thats common sense.

In that other thread, someone claimed Sasukes bare foot speed was enough to blitz JJ Madara. Foot speed is moving on your feat without chakra enhanced to vitalize your body (Shunshin). We know Gai does not use shunshin, he uses foot speed, so since Gai couldn't blitz JJ Madara until he moved so fast he created after images and distorted space itself, then Sasukes bare foot speed must be faster than that. Its absurd and preposterous to even begin to think that way and we know its not true, no discussion needed. Period. What about shunshin now? Its uses chakra to vitalize the body to move at incredible speeds. If Sasukes foot speed is already that fast (faster than 8G Gai) his shunshin would be way more faster than that. He'd be entering the realm of low-mid level DBZ characters and thats just plain laughable.

To your first point, them being able to keep the other portals open doesn't come into play because opening and maintaining the other portals is what limited Obito's ability to maintain this final one. Your next point also doesn't come into play because we can't begin clocking Sasuke intill he actually begins moving (how long the portal was open overall isn't important, what's important is how long it's open while he's running for it) ; they were able to talk to him but he doesn't begin moving intill after they've finished speaking. Also if the distance from Sasuke and the portal is 20m there's no telling how quickly he covered the first 10

Though I get what your saying in the bottom portion

 

[wael reda]

^^^Juubi Jin madara was still ''physically'' unable to evade sasukes foot speed,
i doubt anyone ever stated that he blitzed him,

That doesn't make any sense ,what you say is like saying kaguya couldn't evade sakura physically.
Both of sasuke and sakura attacked madara/kaguya from behind while madara/kaguya weren't paying an attention to sasuke/sakura and both of them felt sasuke /Both of sasuke and sakura attacked madara( in sasuke's case) and kaguya ( in sakura's case)from behind while madara/kaguya weren't paying an attention to sasuke/sakura,and they both felt sasuke /sakura just before they landed the attack .
so if you want to say that madara cant react physically to sasuke's foot speed ,then you should say that kaguya cant react physically to sakura but both isn't true

If you think about it logically ,madara before being jiubi jin was faster than sasuke before rikudo power up ,madara got the all jiubi chakra,rikudo chakra and rikudo senjutsu while sasuke got rikudo chakra , so no way that sasuke is faster than jin madara

In another way ,sasuke before the rikudo power up was faster than base naruto but not with much difference ,both got the same amount of rikudo power ,so logically sasuke's foot speed is slightly (or quite more than slightly)faster than base rikudo naruto(no SM,RSM)and that can be clearly seen when base naruto naruto blocked sasuke's shunshin in the beginning of their fight in the vote and when they both got tired they(base rikudo naruto and sasuke ) were about as fast

With that being said ,no way sasuke is faster than madara who has whole jiubi chakra and rikudo senjutsu who blocked rikudo sm naruto blitze while he was on his knee healing from gai's attack

Whatever I am glad that you know he didn't blitz madara

 

[King Of Pop]

=wael reda;18169686]That doesn't make any sense ,what you say is like saying kaguya couldn't evade sakura physically.
Both of sasuke and sakura attacked madara/kaguya from behind while madara/kaguya weren't paying an attention to sasuke/sakura and both of them felt sasuke /Both of sasuke and sakura attacked madara( in sasuke's case) and kaguya ( in sakura's case)from behind while madara/kaguya weren't paying an attention to sasuke/sakura,and they both felt sasuke /sakura just before they landed the attack .

while i agree sasuke didnt bliz him however your whole comparison is flawed. sasukes situation is nothing like sakuras. kaguya wasnt even looking at sakura as her attention were on naruto and sasuke below her, madara on the other did see sasuke approaching heck he remarked how fast he is, and it wasnt directly from behind as madara did turn around and saw sasuke. moreover he wasnt distracted by anything(he was done transplanting the eye), nor was he directly engaged with any other opponent, dunno what manga you were reading

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. it was a pure one vs one confrontation. not to mention madara is a sensor so he was very much aware of sasukes presence

so if you want to say that madara cant react physically to sasuke's foot speed ,then you should say that kaguya cant react physically to sakura but both isn't true

its not a valid comparison in anyway, next time you want to prove it use sound logic rather than state things that didnt happen
yes madara wasnt blized but your proof is kinda garbage no offense.

 

[DHOH]

while i agree sasuke didnt bliz him however your whole comparison is flawed. sasukes situation is nothing like sakuras. kaguya wasnt even looking at sakura as her attention were on naruto and sasuke below her, madara on the other did see sasuke approaching heck he remarked how fast he is, and it wasnt directly from behind as madara did turn around and saw sasuke. moreover he wasnt distracted by anything(he was done transplanting the eye), nor was he directly engaged with any other opponent, dunno what manga you were reading

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. it was a pure one vs one confrontation. not to mention madara is a sensor so he was very much aware of sasukes presence



its not a valid comparison in anyway, next time you want to prove it use sound logic rather than state things that didnt happen
yes madara wasnt blized but your proof is kinda garbage no offense.

I agree with this.. But you got to admit Madara wasn't worried or fearful of being cut in half.. And the damage was minimum, he grew another half of body with no problem.

 

[King Of Pop]

I agree with this.. But you got to admit Madara wasn't worried or fearful of being cut in half.. And the damage was minimum, he grew another half of body with no problem.

yes which is the reason why he wasnt worried, he knew he would survive the attack and regenerate.

 

[Brooks]

Sasuke has pretty much every advantage in this fight(DC, Durability, Hax and Speed)...the team doesn't stand much of a chance.​

 

[BlacLord™]

You didn't state what Sasuke... 2T Sasuke? Hebi Sasuke? EMS Sasuke? RG Sasuke?

Assuming the latter, RG Sasuke easily. EMS Sasuke would lose though but would put a good fight.

 

[Bronze]

EMS Sasuke would lose though but would put a good fight.

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[BlacLord™]

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PS and Amaterasu wouldn't be a walk in the park for the opposition.

 

[Blaze Release]

@ Kidgamer i'm aware that rikudou chakra would have made sasuke susanoo and overall techniques stronger. But i feel you are giving too much credit to this chakra, or rather you are underestimating the destructive force of susanoo without rikudou's chakra.

Okay then.
Are you saying no matter how many direct slashes Madara makes with both swords, he still will not be able to replicate Sasuke feat?.

Back to the thread.
Lets say Madara's susanoo swords power is equal to Sasuke's before he gained rikudou's chakra. (I actually think Madara's is superior before this, but lets assume they were equal). Shouldn't the upgrade of rikudou's chakra be roughly equal to 100% kurama tbb. Therefore rikudou susanoo destructive force = PS + Kurama Tbb, no?

@Bronze, nice avatar.
Anyway yes i can see it. Alot clearer on the next page.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kidgamer i'm aware that rikudou chakra would have made sasuke susanoo and overall techniques stronger. But i feel you are giving too much credit to this chakra, or rather you are underestimating the destructive force of susanoo without rikudou's chakra.

Okay then.
Are you saying no matter how many direct slashes Madara makes with both swords, he still will not be able to replicate Sasuke feat?.

Eventually he'd be able to do it, though it'd take many more slashes and much more time, in comparison to Sasuke, who can cut through it in one go.

Back to the thread.

Lets say Madara's susanoo swords power is equal to Sasuke's before he gained rikudou's chakra. (I actually think Madara's is superior before this, but lets assume they were equal). Shouldn't the upgrade of rikudou's chakra be roughly equal to 100% kurama tbb. Therefore rikudou susanoo destructive force = PS + Kurama Tbb, no?

But why would the upgrade of Rikudo's Chakra be equal to the upgrade Full Kurama's Bijuu Dama gave Madara's PS Blade? The gap in power between EMS Sasuke's PS and Rinnegan Sasuke's PS is much larger than the power Kurama's Bijuu Dama contains.

 

[DHOH]

You didn't state what Sasuke... 2T Sasuke? Hebi Sasuke? EMS Sasuke? RG Sasuke?

Assuming the latter, RG Sasuke easily. EMS Sasuke would lose though but would put a good fight.

I said Sasuke at his most powerful...

I see.. Most people think Sasuke's PS is on another level from Madara, and if Ridikou didn't give you chakra everyone that didn't get chakra have no chance at beating the ones that receive it...

 

[Blaze Release]

But why would the upgrade of Rikudo's Chakra be equal to the upgrade Full Kurama's Bijuu Dama gave Madara's PS Blade?

Because the tbb (kurama) has been hyped along with feats to be one of the most destructive.

The gap in power between EMS Sasuke's PS and Rinnegan Sasuke's PS is much larger than the power Kurama's Bijuu Dama contains.

Show me.
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