Yeah but do you think he would have got any better at using his rinnegan? IMO it would be pretty odd if he didn't. I feel that both Naruto and Sasuke could have furthered their Rikudou enhancements but Sasuke's rinnegan just has a higher ceiling than Naruto's RSM when looking at what other rinnegan users are capable of.
I actually believe that unless someone taught him how to use the other path's Sasuke can't train for something he's never used or seen used in battle. Nagato learned the techniques I thought himself through natural experiences in battle but turns out Madara told him all the secrets of the Rinnegan so unless those secret's are somehow given to Sasuke he won't master it
Yeah but do you think he would have got any better at using his rinnegan? IMO it would be pretty odd if he didn't. I feel that both Naruto and Sasuke could have furthered their Rikudou enhancements but Sasuke's rinnegan just has a higher ceiling than Naruto's RSM when looking at what other rinnegan users are capable of.
To me they've been equal since sasuke awakened ems & Naruto got kurama's power properly...
But yeah the rinnegan gives the user like infinite potential, so sasuke being stronger now wouldn't be too far fetched, but I still think they're equal even now lol
Your assumption is invalid, although your argument is structured nicely. All you need is common sense to understand that the chances of there being a difference in strength between Naruto and Sasuke is almost null. Ok lets assume that Sasuke does becomes stronger, what should the reason for Naruto to not carry on growing?
Hagamoro didn't refesh their chakra reserves he gave them the chakra he had left and divided it amongst them so it's only that chakra they received their own reserves remained as they were.
I'm making this thread not because I'm a Sasuke 'fapper' nor because I'm a Naruto 'hater'. For the record, Naruto is my favourite character. I know you Sasuke fappers will come to my thread and will blindly agree with me for the most part. I'm not trying to start a NaruSasu war I'm just trying to see if there are some level headed people who actually agree with me. Now that we've got that straight, I will tell you why I think Sasuke should be stronger than Naruto now that they are both older. When I say should I don't mean I predict it will happen; because Naruto and Sasuke will most likely be kept equal. I'm saying he should be stronger because it makes a lot of sense to me.
- Judging from chapters leading up to and including chapter 699, I believe Naruto was stronger. Say what you like about it but Naruto was especially low on chakra reserves during Naruto and Sasuke's fight ever since Naruto got involved in the war. You can give excuses all you like eg. "MY SASUKEPOO HADNT MASTERED HIS RINNEGAN YET!!!" but it still doesn't change that fact. If Naruto had his full power I'm almost positive he would have not only won but would've won without losing an arm aswell.
@underlined What you're using as a defensive excuse for Naruto is actually a lot more in HIS favor than Sasuke's. Naruto was low on chakra reserves but so was Sasuke. So that wasn't a drawback solely for Naruto. Plus, Naruto had Kurama to pump him with all the chakra he wanted. And Yang Kurama (that used most of its chakra in the war) was replaced by Yin Kurama when Naruto was near dead, so Kurama also had fresh chakra reserves. And that added to the Sage's endowment and time to regain his own chakra reserves, it's safe to say Naruto was completely restored on chakra, and started fighting Madara with near full reserves. Sasuke also had his chakra reserves replenished, but Naruto had them replenished on top of restored Kurama chakra plus some chakra from all tailed beasts. No net benefit goes to Naruto.
@bold Since both bolded texts have same context, I'll put them together. Naruto wasn't technically stronger than Sasuke. Yes, even when Sasuke hadn't fully mastered the Rinnegan (since it was a new power up). The raw power of the Rinnegan was way higher (despite being relatively new), being able to simultaneously bind and subdue all nine tailed beasts and combine their chakra to create a form identical to Ten Tails. That's on a completely different scale to anything Naruto could do (practically on Sage's level according to Kurama). And if Sasuke had his full power, he could have done way more damage to Naruto than Naruto could do to him despite his lack of proficiency with the Rinnegan. Because although Naruto was exhausted and low on chakra like Sasuke, he wasn't visibly affected by it unlike Sasuke who lost composure more than once due to it and his powers lost effectiveness due to it at certain points. Kurama also noted that his powers have weakened, and that affected his stability a lot. And that's aside from his lack of proficiency with the Rinnegan. More on his mastery of Rinnegan below...
- Naruto's powerups were immediate and without pretty much any effort were able to be used practically in battle eg. TSB manipulation, flight, RSM and a chakra boost. Sasuke had only a portion of his powers that could be effective immediately in battle eg. Rinnegan, some but not all rinnegan techniques and a chakra boost. On the other hand Sasuke had a portion of his power that couldn't yet be used eg. Rinnegan techniques he has yet to achieve. Sasuke was able to immediately use techniques with the rinnegan because of that OP sharingan of his that copied Madara's rinnegan techniques otherwise I think he would have had even lower mastery of the rinnegan; genius or not.
- IMO Sasuke still has a lot or atleast a good amount of other Rinnegan techniques that he was yet to master prior to chapter 699 since his Rinnegan is pure, belongs to him and was a gift straight from Rikudou sennin it surely will be able to surpass at least Nagato's use of the dojutsu. Whether you believe he should be able to master all rinnegan techniques or whether you believe he should be able to master only a fraction, it does not matter. I don't believe that Sasuke reached his peak with the use of his rinnegan in chapter 699 and that much should be agreed upon by most of NB.
Exactly! This is just as correct and spot on as the above paragraph was wrong, not because it declares Sasuke stronger than Naruto, but because it states facts most people most people don't realize and are completely ignorant towards. And I would like to commend you for realizing and making a thread about this. Although, you've summed everything up pretty nicely, I'd like to express my thoughts as well...
Sasuke's powers progressively get stronger, whereas Naruto gets to the maximum instantly with his new powers. And as I said above, Rinnegan had much higher raw power (as exhibited), and much more potential as well which couldn't be achieved due to Sasuke's lack of proficiency with the Rinnegan and the nature of his power ups. Both of us agree that Sasuke equaled out with Naruto because of not being able to utilize the Rinnegan to it's maximum potential (that's theoretically because victory isn't correspondent to power). But another thing on Naruto's side was that even what Sasuke had already acquired of the Rinnegan (aside from its full potential), he was not able to completely utilize it due to his weakened powers. His low chakra and exhaustion seemed to affect his composure at times, reducing the effectiveness of his powers and moves unlike Naruto, who was also quite weakened but his powers and moves didn't lose effectiveness to the same ratio as Sasuke.
- So what I'm getting at is that Naruto pretty much give or take (not going to say completely of course) had his abilities down pat so only had a little room to grow whereas Sasuke still had much room to grow. I believe Mastered Rinnegan > RSM. I cannot see how Gaiden Naruto could be stronger than Gaiden Sasuke assuming Sasuke improved his abilities with the rinnegan.However, Naruto must have some sort of way of countering Sasuke's abilities that we are yet to be aware of because I doubt Kishi would have left it this way. Maybe there is further capabilities of manipulating Naruto's TSB. Maybe he got some OP jutsus although I expect both Naruto and Sasuke should have a plethora of new Jutsu since they have control over all basic chakra natures and yin yang.
What do you guys think? Non Sasuke fappers thoughts? Sasuke fapper's thoughts? Naruto fapper's thoughts? Anyone in-between?
Sidenote: Reminder that I don't predict Sasuke will be stronger than Naruto, I simply think that with the current information provided it seems like Sasuke should be stronger at this point. And yes I'm aware Naruto will probably never fight in the same nature they fought in chapter 699.
Well, Sasuke will be stronger, technically. Because Naruto gets the full potential of power ups instantly, so he maxed out in their final fight. But Sasuke was yet to achieve his full powers which he gains subsequently. But we can't ever determine the result of a fight from who is stronger, because we know Naruto will win whether Sasuke is stronger or weaker.
Before 699? I seem to remember during Pain arc when Sasuke Taka and Obito were near the Leaf, BZ mentioning to them that Naruto had defeated Pain and was stronger then Sasuke at the time after returning to the Village Destroyed after his SM Training. Your hardly someone to talk when it's obvious your totally biased.
Obito offered to Nagato the knowledge of the Rinnegan.
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But Yahiko did not agree and refused to get Nagato that knowledge.
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After that Nagato summons Gedo Mazou and uses the Nine Dragons Jutsu without prior knowledge of it just like Madara did. When Madara awakened the Rinnegan, the Gedo Mazou was summoned by him without any prior knowledge.
Naruto received RSM at the same time as sasuke received the rinnegan.so if sasuke hadn't master his rinnegan in that short time then how can you assume that naruto have gained mastery over his RSM?
Actually naruto has more room to grow.he have all bijuus chakra in him which gives him all kkgs all elements and vast amount of chakra.naruto could make chakra rods which he used against BZ and madara's limbo clone.
Naruto can learn TSB manipulation with mastery over Nonuboku sword (world's most OP thing).naruto would have learned four sun barrier seal which juubito made.
Whereas sasuke can only learn all paths and all elements.
If naruto with half kyuubi can defeat sasuke with all bijuus then how can sasuke without bijuus become more powerful than naruto with full kyuubi ?
What you're using as a defensive excuse for Naruto is actually a lot more in HIS favor than Sasuke's. Naruto was low on chakra reserves but so was Sasuke. So that wasn't a drawback solely for Naruto. Plus, Naruto had Kurama to pump him with all the chakra he wanted. And Yang Kurama (that used most of its chakra in the war) was replaced by Yin Kurama when Naruto was near dead, so Kurama also had fresh chakra reserves. And that added to the Sage's endowment and time to regain his own chakra reserves, it's safe to say Naruto was completely restored on chakra, and started fighting Madara with near full reserves. Sasuke also had his chakra reserves replenished, but Naruto had them replenished on top of restored Kurama chakra plus some chakra from all tailed beasts. No net benefit goes to Naruto.
You never really adressed the panel I provided. Why was it there if Naruto was just dandy in terms of chakra reserves? Naruto had been fighting far more extensively than Sasuke during the war which is my reasoning behind believing Naruto would be more chakra exhausted than Sasuke. Kurama's speed in which he can compile chakra is limited. He doesn't just have Naruto completely topped up before every fight because Naruto has chakra that comes close to tailed beasts so refilling that in such short spaces of time isn't possible. But it's true Naruto does have chakra regeneration from Kurama constantly. Also Rikduou sennin split his power 50/50 into Naruto and Sasuke, he did not replenish their own chakra; he only added his own chakra ontop of whatever they had left.
Well, Sasuke will be stronger, technically. Because Naruto gets the full potential of power ups instantly, so he maxed out in their final fight. But Sasuke was yet to achieve his full powers which he gains subsequently. But we can't ever determine the result of a fight from who is stronger, because we know Naruto will win whether Sasuke is stronger or weaker.
I forgot that Naruto has full Kurama rather than 50% so that evens things out a bit. Also, this thread is assuming Sasuke has both of his arms intact which is not the current situation. My thread has a few holes because I forgot about some obvious things.
Lol. I didn't change or alter my wording to cater to anyone. I am well aware that people will disagree with me however I word things, I spoke my mind how I wanted to speak it. I simply gave plenty of warning and heeding as to not have some Sasuke fappers like yourself ruining my thread with unproductive posts just like this one.
