Sasuke never betrayed Konoha, Konoha betrayed him

[Tenasa Uchiha]

Your wrong dude

 

[DeathPulse16]

your reasoning makes no sense. the HOKAGE has control over where they are and the hokage has to make an effort to fix and problems within the village and like you just said why would they even try, if there only solution was to get everybody killed instead of actually trying to fix the problem then the blame falls more on them. the 3rd hokage wanted to fix it but did the uchiha ever ask for help or come to the 3rd with a solution?

Youre logic is completely wrong. If the third was so determined to fix things then he shouldve made an effort to do so. His predecessors were the ones to shut the uchiha out which means that he inherited that problem. You can say what you want but he is the village, the hokage speaks and acts for the village, he never lifted a finger to help the uchiha, instead he signed off om having two uchiha kill the rest simply because the uchiha scared them, which they wouldnt have if not for the decions of the senju in the first place. The uchiha planned a coup to try to reclaim power over the village that they helped to create. If the senju had never shut them out then NONE of this would of happened and that sir, is a fact.

 

[Solo]

and did they ever try to fix it? no.

there solution was kill everyone. it shouldve been, go to the 3rd and see if we can work something out before trying a coup

You never know what's going to happen until it happen. Sasuke's Dad could have had a change in heart.

 

[SuperChief]

Treason is treason. Sasuke deserted the village and committed a series of crimes that warranted a death sentence. Morally speaking, he had every reason to feel betrayed and want revenge. But don't forget that he intended to destroy all of Konoha at some point. He defected to Orochimaru. Then he join Akatsuki. Then he attacked Kumo and tried to kidnap B. He also took out their Hokage candidate and attacked the summit on the same day.

Sasuke is a criminal plain and simple. Can he be forgiven? Perhaps.

 

[ShiroT]

Youre logic is completely wrong. If the third was so determined to fix things then he shouldve made an effort to do so. His predecessors were the ones to shut the uchiha out which means that he inherited that problem. You can say what you want but he is the village, the hokage speaks and acts for the village, he never lifted a finger to help the uchiha, instead he signed off om having two uchiha kill the rest simply because the uchiha scared them, which they wouldnt have if not for the decions of the senju in the first place. The uchiha planned a coup to try to reclaim power over the village that they helped to create. If the senju had never shut them out then NONE of this would of happened and that sir, is a fact.

theres also the fact that they never TRIED ON SCREEN to settle this diplomatically. you can word it however you want yes the hokage couldve done a better job but the uchiha never ATTEMPTED to fix the problem. most sane people will let the government know about there problems and maybe a way to fix it before trying a coup.

its a fact they didnt try to fix it. the hokage didnt try to fix it. while both mixed up the people being discriminated against never spoke up, it is there problem. you cant fix a problem unless you let people know(or the hokage for that) that you have a plan

 

[ShiroT]

You never know what's going to happen until it happen. Sasuke's Dad could have had a change in heart.

no, itachi killed them because they were going to go through with the coup soon. after convincing them to kill the village i doubt he would even be able to suddenly get them to not do it

 

[DeathPulse16]

Treason is treason. Sasuke deserted the village and committed a series of crimes that warranted a death sentence. Morally speaking, he had every reason to feel betrayed and want revenge. But don't forget that he intended to destroy all of Konoha at some point. He defected to Orochimaru. Then he join Akatsuki. Then he attacked Kumo and tried to kidnap B. He also took out their Hokage candidate and attacked the summit on the same day.

Sasuke is a criminal plain and simple. Can he be forgiven? Perhaps.

If the people if the leaf are the sincere people theyre supposed to be, if they knew the truth about what happened then they wouldn't imagine calling him a criminal. Everything he did was perfectly reasonable, weather you want to accept that or not.

 

[ShiroT]

If the people if the leaf are the sincere people theyre supposed to be, if they knew the truth about what happened then they wouldn't imagine calling him a criminal. Everything he did was perfectly reasonable, weather you want to accept that or not.

dude your trying to justify murder . . ..im starting to think your either biased or not sane

 

[Flawž]

Yeah, after discriminating against the Uchiha.(Throwing the Uchiha into the back of the village, leaving them out of political power)

Maybe you forgot the part where Obito explained Itachi returned to village to remind Danzo he's still alive. Itachi had to beg the 3rd Hokage to protect Sasuke.

Tobirama (the one who appointed them Police force and placed them outside of the village) explained that he did all this for the sake of the village and he put the uchiha into good use. The uchiha were mistreated in a way but a coup is not what they should of done. Point is, they were the first to start plotting behind the village's back.

Wrong, the uchiha were wrongfully shoved to the back of the villafe and hidden from view like they were a disease. They were forced to live under the leadership of the senju even though both clans made the village. The only one ballsy enough to stand up to the injustice was madara at the time. The senju betrayed the uchiha from the very beginning.

explained above. ^

 

[DeathPulse16]

theres also the fact that they never TRIED ON SCREEN to settle this diplomatically. you can word it however you want yes the hokage couldve done a better job but the uchiha never ATTEMPTED to fix the problem. most sane people will let the government know about there problems and maybe a way to fix it before trying a coup.

its a fact they didnt try to fix it. the hokage didnt try to fix it. while both mixed up the people being discriminated against never spoke up, it is there problem. you cant fix a problem unless you let people know(or the hokage for that) that you have a plan

Are you kidding me right now? Youre saying that they shouldve tried to reason with a government that already decided to segregate them and treat them as trash? Thats like saying you should try to plea with your kidnapper, you make zero sense. Ad thepeople who shut them out in the first place, it was the senjus and the following hokages responsibilities to seek out a better way to fix things, thats a simple fact. Hiruzen himself saidhe shouldve done things differently. Thinking that the uchiha shouldve made the move to reason with a already hostile party is ridiculous

 

[End of Days]

yeah
how dare danzo kill poor sasuke's innocent parents and clan, thats just wrong
how dare they kill the clan who wanted to take over the village by killing others, thats just wrong

 

[DeathPulse16]

dude your trying to justify murder . . ..im starting to think your either biased or not sane

The murder of a corrupt official that had plans to attack and subdue the leafs jinchuriki. And the murders or samurai that he clearly warned to not attack him but did anyway, thats actual a picture perfect example of self defense. And id also like to point out danzo attacked sasuke first wit the intent to kill

 

[DeathPulse16]

Tobirama (the one who appointed them Police force and placed them outside of the village) explained that he did all this for the sake of the village and he put the uchiha into good use. The uchiha were mistreated in a way but a coup is not what they should of done. Point is, they were the first to start plotting behind the village's back.



explained above. ^

That doesnt excuse the fact that they wrongly shoved them to the back in the first place. They had no reason to do such a thing

 

[DeathPulse16]

yeah
how dare danzo kill poor sasuke's innocent parents and clan, thats just wrong
how dare they kill the clan who wanted to take over the village by killing others, thats just wrong

The clan only resorted to such aplan because of how the senju treated them. They wrongfully pushed them to the side even though the uchiha had just as much right to the village

 

[Flawž]

That doesnt excuse the fact that they wrongly shoved them to the back in the first place. They had no reason to do such a thing

They were wrongly shoved outside the village but they wrongly decided to kill everyone in the village.

 

[ShiroT]

Are you kidding me right now? Youre saying that they shouldve tried to reason with a government that already decided to segregate them and treat them as trash? Thats like saying you should try to plea with your kidnapper, you make zero sense. Ad thepeople who shut them out in the first place, it was the senjus and the following hokages responsibilities to seek out a better way to fix things, thats a simple fact. Hiruzen himself saidhe shouldve done things differently. Thinking that the uchiha shouldve made the move to reason with a already hostile party is ridiculous

you didnt understand what i was saying . . .

tobirama pushed them out. was tobirama hokage at this time? no. by government i meant the 3rd hokage who was the government. they did nothing to try and fixed the previous problems created by the 2nd hokage who is no longer hokage at this time, is what im saying.

dude your just playing the bully card. if someone did something you didnt like and instead on confronting them, you plain to kill him and instead he has your whole family killed. YES, this person who caused you pain couldve done something different but it was YOUR job to try and do something about it. The blame would fall on both of ya'll if like i said you didnt threaten to get hundreds of people killed. pushing the blame more on you.

i would be more sympathetic if they actually tried to fix the problem and then moved to a coup.

and the 3rd hokage was never hostile to the uchiha, while he didnt do much to help what did the people being oppressed do? nothing but threaten the village.

if you didnt like what your government was doing should you just go off and almost get the whole country killed because YOU couldnt/didnt come up with a solution?

again i place equal blame on both sides for not doing anything but plotting to get the village destoyed because you couldnt think of a way to fix your problems tips the scale

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Although I disagree with Danzo being a traitor I think Sasuke should have the right not to give a **** about Konoha anyways, they killed his family for crying out loud.

The people didn't know the whole real reason. It was the elders and Danzo.

 

[Yahcob13]

I blame Madara. If he wouldve been a little more unselfish and gave more time to adjust after the war then the uchiha wouldve been ok. Instead he made himself out to be a villain when he was the most important symbol for peace in his clan. Everything was bound to fall apart after that. Some of the blame should also go to the hokage. Their mishandling and distrust of the uchiha made matters worse.

 

[DeathPulse16]

you didnt understand what i was saying . . .

tobirama pushed them out. was tobirama hokage at this time? no. by government i meant the 3rd hokage who was the government. they did nothing to try and fixed the previous problems created by the 2nd hokage who is no longer hokage at this time, is what im saying.

dude your just playing the bully card. if someone did something you didnt like and instead on confronting them, you plain to kill him and instead he has your whole family killed. YES, this person who caused you pain couldve done something different but it was YOUR job to try and do something about it. The blame would fall on both of ya'll if like i said you didnt threaten to get hundreds of people killed. pushing the blame more on you.

i would be more sympathetic if they actually tried to fix the problem and then moved to a coup.

and the 3rd hokage was never hostile to the uchiha, while he didnt do much to help what did the people being oppressed do? nothing but threaten the village.

if you didnt like what your government was doing should you just go off and almost get the whole country killed because YOU couldnt/didnt come up with a solution?

Youre trying to confuse the subject and convolute the facts. I have proven youwrong numerous times and you're only real retort is the uchiha shouldve tried to reason with people that were already hostile tothem, which makes zero sense. It doesnt matter if tobirama wasnt around, it was hiruzens problem and he didnt lift a finger to fix it, thats a simple fact.

 

[DeathPulse16]

They were wrongly shoved outside the village but they wrongly decided to kill everyone in the village.

They only made that plan because they were wronged in the first place. You just proved my point