Sasuke never betrayed Konoha, Konoha betrayed him

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Did they try to kill him when he was in the village? No. Did he try to kill them when he left? yes.
 

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Did they try to kill him when he was in the village? No. Did he try to kill them when he left? yes.

The only reason they didnt was because of itachi. If not for him then they wouldve. People seem to forget this fact as well.
 

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The only reason they didnt was because of itachi. If not for him then they wouldve. People seem to forget this fact as well.

No, i'm talking about after the massacre. The uchiha massacre was their own fault. they wanted to go against the entire village and they would of lost horribly.
 

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No, i'm talking about after the massacre. The uchiha massacre was their own fault. they wanted to go against the entire village and they would of lost horribly.

And the village still wouldve killed sasuke. They didnt know sasuke as sasuke, they knew him as a uchiha, thats it.
 
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First of all, the Uchiha clan can be attributed for the blame; they were the ones who bwgan the Coup idea.

If not the Uchiha, blame Danzo. He was the one who forwarded the idea to kill the Uchiha.

But don't say it was Konoha, because that's plain wrong. In the aftermath Konoha didn't hold venomous feelings toward Sasuke; they sympathized with him. Let's not forget it was Itachi's last second request from the getgo to leave Sasuke as the sole survivor.
 

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And the village still wouldve killed sasuke. They didnt know sasuke as sasuke, they knew him as a uchiha, thats it.

Well who's fault is that? the uchiha were the first ones to betray the village so i don't see how the village is betraying them?
 
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Let's not forget all the thing Danzo did in the dark. He can be considered the ringmaster in this whole operation.
 

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No, i'm talking about after the massacre. The uchiha massacre was their own fault. they wanted to go against the entire village and they would of lost horribly.
Yeah, after discriminating against the Uchiha.(Throwing the Uchiha into the back of the village, leaving them out of political power)

Maybe you forgot the part where Obito explained Itachi returned to village to remind Danzo he's still alive. Itachi had to beg the 3rd Hokage to protect Sasuke.
 

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It was because of the Uchiha clan planning coup d'etat. If they succeeded at it, the other nations would take advantage of this event. Which would lead to everyone having a depressing life because of the killings that will happen because of war.

this ^^^so shouldnt the tittle be, uchiha tried to betray leaf and danzo had them murdered, sasuke betrayed leaf.
 

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Yeah, after discriminating against the Uchiha.(Throwing the Uchiha into the back of the village, leaving them out of political power)

Maybe you forgot the part where Obito explained Itachi returned to village to remind Danzo he's still alive. Itachi had to beg the 3rd Hokage to protect Sasuke.

if your plan against discrimination is to kill people, leading to other villages coming in and destroying the leaf then . . . ..maybe you forgot there would be no leaf if that coup went through
 

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Well who's fault is that? the uchiha were the first ones to betray the village so i don't see how the village is betraying them?

Wrong, the uchiha were wrongfully shoved to the back of the villafe and hidden from view like they were a disease. They were forced to live under the leadership of the senju even though both clans made the village. The only one ballsy enough to stand up to the injustice was madara at the time. The senju betrayed the uchiha from the very beginning.
 

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if your plan against discrimination is to kill people, leading to other villages coming in and destroying the leaf then . . . ..maybe you forgot there would be no leaf if that coup went through

Maybe you forgot there would be ni leaf if not for the uchiha.
 

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Wrong, the uchiha were wrongfully shoved to the back of the villafe and hidden from view like they were a disease. They were forced to live under the leadership of the senju even though both clans made the village. The only one ballsy enough to stand up to the injustice was madara at the time. The senju betrayed the uchiha from the very beginning.

did they ever complain or come to the 3rd hokage to try and fix it? it was never shown that they put any effort into it :|
 

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did they ever complain or come to the 3rd hokage to try and fix it? it was never shown that they put any effort into it :|

Why would they bother trying to reason with the people who shut them from the world I the first place? Youre reasoning makes no sense.
 

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Why would they bother trying to reason with the people who shut them from the world I the first place? Youre reasoning makes no sense.

your reasoning makes no sense. the HOKAGE has control over where they are and the hokage has to make an effort to fix and problems within the village and like you just said why would they even try, if there only solution was to get everybody killed instead of actually trying to fix the problem then the blame falls more on them. the 3rd hokage wanted to fix it but did the uchiha ever ask for help or come to the 3rd with a solution?
 

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if your plan against discrimination is to kill people, leading to other villages coming in and destroying the leaf then . . . ..maybe you forgot there would be no leaf if that coup went through
The Uchiha had every right to village as Senju.
 

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The Uchiha had every right to village as Senju.

and did they ever try to fix it? no.

there solution was kill everyone. it shouldve been, go to the 3rd and see if we can work something out before trying a coup
 
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