Sasori vs Onoki

[Brother Numpsay]

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So you are saying, he's going to spawn IS like this?

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If so:

-How does IS get past the rock golem?
-How does Sasori do all this before Onoki executes Jinton?
-How does Sasori know exactly where Onoki is instead of thinking Onoki's rock clone is the real Onoki.

I prefer a more useful method then Zex, such as raining IS[

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] replace scan with smaller and faster iron shards.

Plus the fact that starting with flight takes care of all of your question. Meaning land cant be under Onoki's advantage via Earth manipulation, and Onoki will lack defenses to deal with IS striking from above.

 

[Zexion~]

So you are saying, he's going to spawn IS like this?

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If so:

Yep.

-How does IS get past the rock golem?

It floats over it .-.

-How does Sasori do all this before Onoki executes Jinton?

Normal jinton would just erase the ground in front of Onoki that looks like a massive one, which takes longer then spawning IS over a hole.

-How does Sasori know exactly where Onoki is instead of thinking Onoki's rock clone is the real Onoki.

You didn't have a clone there before, but even if it was going after the clone it would reach the hole seeing as it filled a cave much larger than that.


@Evani- Let shit go bruh.

@EJ black how is your's more "useful" :lol?

 

[Apêx1]

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2. Not completely sure what you're trying to say. Where does ISWO fit into this picture?

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1. With full intel Sasori can just fly up and away since he knows about Jinton's range and ability to be randomly fired. Onoki's Jinton is never hitting now that he lacks a decent picture of where Sasori could be.

2. ISW fits right above that manipulated ground behind the golem. The ISW smashes anything in its way, including the golem, and hits Onoki within that hole. Onoki has nothing whatsoever to do now that he's trapped himself in that place.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

@EJ black how is your's more "useful" :lol?

You have Sasori fight on the ground, when Onoki arsenals has advantages.

 

[Zexion~]

You have Sasori fight on the ground, when Onoki arsenals has advantages.

I said he could levitate with IS .-. ISWO kills him if he uses that hole strategy either way.

 

[Beans2]

1. With full intel Sasori can just fly up and away since he knows about Jinton's range and ability to be randomly fired. Onoki's Jinton is never hitting now that he lacks a decent picture of where Sasori could be.

Sasori would think the clone on top of the rock golem is Onoki, and therefore not expect a sneak Jinton.

2. ISW fits right above that manipulated ground behind the golem. The ISW smashes anything in its way, including the golem, and hits Onoki within that hole. Onoki has nothing whatsoever to do now that he's trapped himself in that place.

Lmao. So you're saying that Sasori can move the IS block above the golem, then have it rain down on Onoki and reach him deep in the earth before he fires a Jinton to destroy the incoming IS and swing it around to hit his opponent?

Also, what stops Onoki from just mobile-coring Sasori down into the earth then hitting him with a Jinton? If Sasori flies above the hole, Onoki simply moves his Jinton.

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[Selan]

Onoki flies and atomizes Sasori with Jinton. End of the fight.

 

[Zexion~]

Beans why aren't you getting that the fact that IS floats shits on all of these strategies.

 

[Beans2]

Beans why aren't you getting that the fact that IS floats shits on all of these strategies.

Why aren't you getting the fact that Jinton can be executed before Sasori floats IS past the golem and drizzles down on Onoki. You are either really overrating Iron Sand's speed or really underrating Jinton's prep time. My guess is you're probably doing a little of both.

 

[Zexion~]

Why aren't you getting the fact that Jinton can be executed before Sasori floats IS past the golem and drizzles down on Onoki. You are either really overrating Iron Sand's speed or really underrating Jinton's prep time. My guess is you're probably doing a little of both.

Again, he doesn't even have to do that, spawning ISWO from wherever he is you have him on this make shift battlefield would encompass Onoki, as again it covered a much larger cave.

You're underrating its speed and range here.

 

[Beans2]

Again, he doesn't even have to do that, spawning ISWO from wherever he is you have him on this make shift battlefield would encompass Onoki, as again it covered a much larger cave.

You're underrating its speed and range here.

Iron sand doesn't appear out of thin air. Sasori has to move a block of it behind the golem and then have it rain down on Onoki. Onoki just forms Jinton and uses it to delete the iron sand.

 

[Zexion~]

Iron sand doesn't appear out of thin air. Sasori has to move a block of it behind the golem and then have it rain down on Onoki. Onoki just forms Jinton and uses it to delete the iron sand.

You said Onoki is going to be spawning clones and rock golems and using earth jutsu

It can easily be spawned then.

I'm literally reiterating logic to you at this point :lol Funny how everyone BUT me has been wanking their favs lately.

The blocks don't even have to be moved behind the golem

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Its range would skewer the golem, clone and Onoki.

 

[Beans2]

You said Onoki is going to be spawning clones and rock golems and using earth jutsu

It can easily be spawned then.

I'm literally reiterating logic to you at this point :lol Funny how everyone BUT me has been wanking their favs lately.

The blocks don't even have to be moved behind the golem

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Its range would skewer the golem, clone and Onoki.

strategy #1:
Onoki

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Next, Onoki uses mobile core to put himself underground while Sasori moves the iron sand block above and past the golem. This means moving the IS

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to get above the golem. The distance between the IS and Onoki at this point is large, because the IS is at an altitude higher than the golem, and Onoki is

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. Larger distance to travel = it will take longer to reach Onoki.

Therefore all Onoki has to do is make a Jinton and destroy the IS with it before it reaches him.

Strategy #2:

Onoki uses mobile core right off the bat and moves Sasori below ground while he stays above ground. Then makes a Jinton and directs it downwards. If Sasori flies up out of the hole, Onoki sees him and moves his Jinton to hit him instead.

 

[Zexion~]

strategy #1:
Onoki

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, while

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.

Next, Onoki uses mobile core to put himself underground while Sasori moves the iron sand block above and past the golem. This means moving the IS

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to get above the golem. The distance between the IS and Onoki at this point is large, because the IS is at an altitude higher than the golem, and Onoki is

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. Larger distance to travel = it will take longer to reach Onoki.

Therefore all Onoki has to do is make a Jinton and destroy the IS with it before it reaches him.

What your describing is still faster than Mega jinton, and no he doesn't have to make it that high like I said he can just float it over the golem anyways, plus while Onoki is going below ground Sasori siphons some of the IS to create a platform for himself so the jinton misses, don't know why you think the golem is going to completely block the view of ground disapearing.

He'd do it even if he cant see it happen though.

 

[Beans2]

What your describing is still faster than Mega jinton, and no he doesn't have to make it that high like I said he can just float it over the golem anyways, plus while Onoki is going below ground Sasori siphons some of the IS to create a platform for himself so the jinton misses, don't know why you think the golem is going to completely block the view of ground disapearing.

He'd do it even if he cant see it happen though.

-Why so? Mega Jinton was seemingly executed in a few seconds [

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-If he floats it over the golem then it has to make it high enough to go over the golem's height...
-He won't be anticipating a Jinton so he'd have no reason to move, and its large AOE compensates for whatever movement Sasori might make. Regardless, Onoki still destroys the majority of Iron Sand with his Jinton so even if Sasori escapes his initial attack, he just lost almost all his IS.
-The golem is going to block the view of the ground disappearing since the ground will disappear behind the golem. Unless Sasori has X-ray vision I don't see your point with this.

 

[Zexion~]

-Why so? Mega Jinton was seemingly executed in a few seconds [

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Thought it started before the flash back, I guess that would work then, however pretty sure that's just a Jinton pillar its not really a mega jinton.

-If he floats it over the golem then it has to make it high enough to go over the golem's height...

Golem isn't that large don't know why you're making it seem like its floating over a sky scraper or some shit.

-He won't be anticipating a Jinton so he'd have no reason to move, and its large AOE compensates for whatever movement Sasori might make. Regardless, Onoki still destroys the majority of Iron Sand with his Jinton so even if Sasori escapes his initial attack, he just lost almost all his IS.

Not if he's aiming at him through the ground? If ISWO makes it over the golem at all and is used its skewering Onoki espceially if he's charging up a jinton for the dirt.

-The golem is going to block the view of the ground disappearing since the ground will disappear behind the golem. Unless Sasori has X-ray vision I don't see your point with this.

:lol not going to bother arguing logic, golems just like humans aren't walls, one can see behind them.

 

[Icelerate]

Onoki can make a clone carry himself so that when he preps jinton, he doesn't remain a sitting duck. Once jinton comes out, Onoki gets killed. Chiyo could utilize her finger movements faster than iron sand could reach her. Onoki is at least as reactive as her and can put up a larger distance due to being far more mobile than both her and Sasori. He has the speed to escape the AoE of iron sand (

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) considering the fact that Muu got sent flying very fast and far but Onoki made it to Mu's landing spot before Mu even reached it.

Another tactic that Onoki can apply is distracting Sasori with

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while the real Onoki

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and then crushes him. If Sasori makes an iron sand sphere or platform to take flight, all Onoki has to do is make it heavy and Sasori comes crashing down.

I don't see how Sasori can push Onoki past mid difficulty let alone win.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Onoki can make a clone carry himself so that when he preps jinton, he doesn't remain a sitting duck. Once jinton comes out, Onoki Sasori gets killed.

That strategy is not effective at all. I assuming he is in the air?

IS launch speed far surpasses Gaara's sand (which Gaara = Onoki's fly speed). The very fact that Sasori can use IS as a board to fly with would give him the advantage. Plus no air defense good enough to block IS projectiles means death.

Chiyo could utilize her finger movements faster than iron sand could reach her. Onoki is at least as reactive as her and can put up a larger distance due to being far more mobile than both her and Sasori.

Nope. Having more mobility movement option isn't proof he can physically dodge IS. Plus the fact IS is capable of changing flight movement, stated by DB. And no, Sasori would have more mobility then Onoki stated above (Bold). IS is capable of rivaling Onoki flight speed. Or add more chakra to increase the speed further.

He has the speed to escape the AoE of iron sand (

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) considering the fact that Muu got sent flying very fast and far but Onoki made it to Mu's landing spot before Mu even reached it.

So Muu knock-back movement> IS launch speed??

Another tactic that Onoki can apply is distracting Sasori with

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while the real Onoki

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and then crushes him. If Sasori makes an iron sand sphere or platform to take flight, all Onoki has to do is make it heavy and Sasori comes crashing down.

Intel bro. A flying Shinobi plus capable to bend earth to his will = Sasori not trying to be at a disadvantage which = starting the battle with fly/hovering.

So how is he going to get IS to get heavy?

I don't see how Sasori can push Onoki past mid difficulty let alone win.

All I read so far is underestimation or ignorance to Sasori's capability.