[Discussion] Sanji>Vergo

[Vandenre1ch]

One of the main reasons Sanji is underrated is because of fight with Vergo. Mostly, people say "Sanji got his leg broken and had to retreat" but in reality:

1-Sanji body was very fatigued because it being beaten down by Caesar(when Nami was in control). Sanji keeled over in exhaustion when he got his body back.

2-Sanji had no idea that Vergo's kick would be that strong. He thought he could simply block the kick but of course, he underestimated Vergo's strength and got his leg fractured. If Sanji knew that ahead of time, he would've dodged Vergo instead.

3-Despite having a exhausted body and fractured leg, Sanji still blocked and parried all of Vergo's attacks. Vergo couldn't hit Sanji once. Not only that, Sanji landed a clean hit that sent Vergo flying into a wall.

4-Vergo didn't use CoA but neither did Sanji. Vergo didn't use his bamboo stick but Sanji didn't use hell memories.

Conclusion: Sanji is the better fighter when compared to Vergo and Vergo cant even land a hit on Sanji. Sanji>Vergo

 

[Monxstaa]

very nice sanji>that mafia guy that wants to go after him

 

[Bimbonium]

I'd say Sanji > vergo, cos Sanji should be at least close to Ivankov's level, which should be >>> vergo, and as OP said the skirmish is not a true portrayal of Sanji's strength.

 

[ToshiZO]

No Sanji was using his bread and butter while Vergo wasn't, did you notice Vergo overwhelmed Sanji in a kicking contest? Thats not even his forte just shows you how versatile he is. At the beginning of his fight with Smoker he brought out his Bamboo imbued with armament which just goes to show you, thats his primary fighting style and Sanji didnt even get to have a taste of it. Vergo gave Smoker a nice beating as well, Sanji should be on the same level as Smoker, infact I think Smoker is slightly stronger.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

I also want to add the fact that vergo was using tekkai in order to

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his attacks rather than just defending. Sanji said" it's that iron Hardening thing again......" which is referring to tekkai. And despite using not using hardening(koka) or even defensive buso haki, he still managed to make him bleed.........twice.........

 

[KCN]

I doubt it. Vergo was fighting Sanji in his department, and still came out relatively undamaged and injured Sanji. Fullbody CoA with bamboo stick is a different story.

 

[Legend Slayer]

I always believed this. See, sanji and zoro are quite close if not equal. Zoro was able to low diff pica who isn't far behind vergo. M3 > top executives.

 

[Bogard]

Based from what we've seen, nope. Yes Sanji's body was injured, but it was by an attack even Usopp tanked and still showed ability to fight later, so unless you think Usopp has better durability than Sanji despite the fact Oda said in an SBS that he isn't so different than a normal human as opposed to Sanji who crossed the superhuman barrier long time ago since pretimeskip, he shouldn't have been damaged much by that explosion(superficial injuries). Not enough to play a role in anything then.

Not to mention, it's the body that was damaged. The bone was fine and it's what Vergo cracked with the kick, so that damage had nothing to do with his physical state. Also, Sanji only landed 2hits, with one of them being in a surprised attack and the other being a diable jambe enhanced kick(that increases attack speed) blocked by Vergo's tekkai(could have been on purpose since he is a tank by nature). Other than that the clash was fairly even. At one point, Sanji even had difficulties to dodge Vergo's inside out kick. It shows that the difference in their kicking contest wasn't that great and now you realize it wasn't even his main fighting style.

He has shown to be a good brawler and more importantly wasn't using his bamboo where his nickname come from, only style where he even used a named attack(Oni Take) and also range dart attacks that was scarring logia Smoker; not to mention the Cp-9 powers(soru, shigan mostly) and his strong armament(that overpowered even Smoker's). You say Sanji wasn't using haki, but armament isn't his speciality like it's for Vergo(his speciality is observation which grants him better maneuvrability but Vergo was competing with him in the area), so even if both did, it's Vergo who would have come out on top. He overpowered Smoler's haki and it's very likely Smoker has better armament than Sanji

Tekkai Vergo took a diable jambe Flange Strike without a single scratch. The only powerful thing left for Sanji was hell memories, but Tekkai Vergo could have probably blocked it especially if he added his armament

The only way Sanji would have win is if he was hiding some new ability, not from what he's shown

 

[BSK]

Nice try vergo win just under high diff.

 

[bajram]

Ur saying that Sanji wasnt aware of the power Vergo had but Vergo also wasnt aware about what Sanji is able to do, and dont take into account every hit landed in Vergo since the guy is a tank and has taken hits from almost anyone he fought in PH but still came victorious in the end, Vergo is no push over if he could just beat someone like Smoker just like that, the fact that u think that Vergo cant land a hit on Sanji is beyond stupid, the Vergo that fought Sanji was barely using anything from his arsenal, he was fighting with legs against an opponent who uses legs as primary fighting style, and we know that Vergo isnt someone who has his legs as primary fighting style and was still able to fracture his leg without using hardening or even his bamboo not to mention he has full body haki and there is nothing that suggests that Sanji can take that out or vice versa, stop throwing wild baseless assumptions.

Sanji isnt underrated only for that, the fact that he also got so easy swapped away by Doflamingo is also an issue, there is the fact that he had no knowledge on his powers but that's barely an excuse at this point when something as Five-colored strings an attack Doflamingo uses just like luffy uses jet pistol was able to injure Sanji to that extend, simply put he has been underwhelming the whole post-timeskip manga, so let just wait and see if the guy has to show more from his arsenal.

 

[Wretched]

No as much as i like sanji vergo still is stronger.

Even if sanji used hell memories it wouldn't even hit because vergo has CoO as well , the best amount of damage that sanji could have possibly done is equal to law's counter shock but vergo's attacks were strong enough even tho he wasn't serious at all.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

No Sanji was using his bread and butter while Vergo wasn't, did you notice Vergo overwhelmed Sanji in a kicking contest? Thats not even his forte just shows you how versatile he is. At the beginning of his fight with Smoker he brought out his Bamboo imbued with armament which just goes to show you, thats his primary fighting style and Sanji didnt even get to have a taste of it. Vergo gave Smoker a nice beating as well, Sanji should be on the same level as Smoker, infact I think Smoker is slightly stronger.

he took out the bamboo stick to match ssmoker jelette... similar to what he did with sanji and kicking... ur right hes veristile but his fight with smoker doesnt suggest tht his forte is his bamboo. his name however (has bamboo in it) so one could say is his bamboo is his best offense (and the fbh is best defense) now tht can be suggested... but sanji was indeed injured everyone forgets this.... the mind is what relates how much damage the body is taking.. even with a strong body a weak mind may relate to brain information tht the pain being recieved is 2 much (in this case nami mind) which explains sanji kneeling after getting his body bsack from nami

 

[Amaterasu]

Sanji is underrated, yes. But I don't think he is superior to Vergo, Vergo is a real monster, he was truly powerful, even if he was beaten laughable diff by Law.

I think he is near his level but not stronger tho'

 

[David1996]

Sanji can't lay a hit on Vergo ? Come on..

 

[Professor Verde]

I thought Sanji won that fight and he didn't end up retreating, Vergo left on a Doflamingo's orders to the SAD room.

Sanji didn't get a single clean shot from Vergo, it was the other way around but he did fracture his legs from blocking Vergo's tekkai.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Not by portrayal.

 

[Hexuze]

Vergo > Sanji

Like you said before, Vergo never used CoA at all and was to able to fracture Sanji's leg. This was done rather casually and he also was able to match Sanji's striking speed. Both characters are underestimated but I would say Vergo wins mid diff. Even Zoro isn't stronger than Vergo IMO (he would push him to high diff.).

 

[Zorø]

Vergo > Sanji

Like you said before, Vergo never used CoA at all and was to able to fracture Sanji's leg. This was done rather casually and he also was able to match Sanji's striking speed. Both characters are underestimated but I would say Vergo wins mid diff. Even Zoro isn't stronger than Vergo IMO (he would push him to high diff.).

Vergo> Sanji of course. But Vergo>Zoro? You are delusional they are so many evidence in the manga that suggests otherwise.

 

[Hexuze]

Vergo> Sanji of course. But Vergo>Zoro? You are delusional they are so many evidence in the manga that suggests otherwise.

And what diff. do you think Zoro can defeat Vergo? We don't even know if he can cut through Vergo's haki.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

When I read I read some of the comments, I wonder if my points are just being ignored....

Vergo matched Sanji in a battle of kicks yes, but it was with an exhausted body and fractured leg, Vergo STILL couldn't hit Sanji so I dont know why people keep bringing up the fact that Vergo fractured Sanji leg. As said in the opening comment, Sanji didn't know Vergo kick would be that strong and never got hit.

Also, I doubt coughing blood after getting hit in the stomach is not receiving a scratch. Since Vergo couldn't hit that version of Sanji, how does CoA Vergo land hits? I don't believe CoA increases speed.