[Discussion] Sanji>Vergo
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xanonymosx
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strawhats vs kraken
franky said he couldnt see any thing when zoro sliced one of it`s arms while they were able to track sanji with thier eyes
give me any strikeing speed feat that top this one or STFU
Vandenre1ch
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Wasn't Sanji running under water towards the kraken while glowing and charging his kick? Didn't the kraken attack Zoro out of no where? Under those circumstances, its way easier to see Sanji. They also made no comment on Sanji striking the kraken.....
you're banned but Ill still give this a short reply: Lol maybe you forgot he took a Red hawk, an injection shot, and Law's strongest attack which was supposed to kill Doflamingo, his organs were supposed to be goners, lucky he had the right DF to patch them up just enough to survive not fully recover, this was all before the actual 1v1 started.
Thats pretty fair.
Regarding this list its not that bad, but I think you're a bit too strict with your top tiers and high tiers.
"White- Sanji, Smoker, Jinbe
Off White(high tier)- Law, Zoro, Vergo, Hancock
Silver(between top and high tier but closer to high tier)- Burgess, G4 Luffy, Doflamingo
Gray(between top and high tier but closer to top tier)- Sabo, Jozu, Old Rayleigh
Black(top tiers)- Marco, Shanks, Akainu, Fujitora, Kuzan, Kaidou etc
Legendary(World strongest)- Roger, WB"
Old Rayleigh should definitely be a top tier imo. He held off Kizaru and even managed to make him bleed while taking no injuries, he would lose in the long run because of stamina but still thats not enough to make him a high tier. Sabo could be placed at around the low top tier area, Jozu borders the highest of high and top tier similar to Doffy imo. G4 Luffy is definitely top tier he was overwhelming Doflamingo dunno how they can be in the same section (unless you meant Luffy as a whole not just when he's in gear 4), its nothing short of top tier speed power etc. the only thing is he cant maintain it for long so Luffy himself is def not a top tier, I place him in the same tier as Law infact I still favor Law over Luffy in a 1v1. And Burgess is a bit overrated imo, Doflamingo would make quick work of Burgess.
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xanonymosx
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no before even using his DJ ussop was able to track him and commment about his speed
no the kraken was aiming to sanji not zoro
does not matter because unlike zoro sanji uses the same thing for traviling and attacking which is his leg adding so his attack speed is just as his movement speed may be his strikeing should be a little faster cause he only needs to move his leg not his whole body.
xanonymosx
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sanji had the best showing against vergo when it comes to striking speed as he mnaged to blitz him twice (the first one is more like a sneak attack but still ) vergo went reckless against law`s last slash cause he thought he could tank it so it cant be considerd a blitz
so if zoro is above sanji he is very well above the rest that my point here
the only vague one here is smoker cause a part of his fight was off paneld but vergo didnt seem like he got a lot of hits anyway
xanonymosx
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the only shitty thing here is your comprehension and reading ability tbh . try to read carefully then edit your post when you get it cause I am not going to repeat my self again
Jugram Haschwalth
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Vergo is stronger than Sanji by a margin.
Sanji is only unique with his foot work plus he hit Vergo with one of his strongest kicks diablo Jimbei if im correct.
Note- Im pretty sure Sanji has Haki and didn't use it here also.
Now if Vergo goes full body Haki mode. .
Sanji is only unique with his foot work plus he hit Vergo with one of his strongest kicks diablo Jimbei if im correct.
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. Also Vergo then tanks yet another kick from Sanji and gets up with minor damage. .
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. Here with one kick Sanji bone cracks. .
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. This is Vergo pre-Haki also.Note- Im pretty sure Sanji has Haki and didn't use it here also.
Now if Vergo goes full body Haki mode. .
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. Not only does Haki add to his offense it adds to his defense. Plus there's still the fact that he knows CP9 abilities which means his Haki covered body can get even harder if he does this. .
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. This on top of his Haki covered body means Sanji's kicks are tanked very easily. Then Vergo proceeds to put the beat down on this kid. Vergo without Haki managed to crack his bones in his legs which are probably his hardest considering that's what he specialize in so if Vergo gets a punch on his body his ribs will shatter like glass.
Jugram Haschwalth
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Sanji would lose badly.
Vergo is stronger than Sanji by a margin. Sanji is only unique with his foot work plus vergo cannonly cracked his bone the moment there legs collided with each others. Then there's also the full body Haki plus the CP9 harden(ing) the body ability which would add more durability to his haki body which by all means should already be to much for Sanji to bypass.
One punch from a serious Vergo would hurt Sanji badly. Once he matches him in cqc via leg combat a Haki covered Bamboo sticks goes upside his head.
Vergo is stronger than Sanji by a margin. Sanji is only unique with his foot work plus vergo cannonly cracked his bone the moment there legs collided with each others. Then there's also the full body Haki plus the CP9 harden(ing) the body ability which would add more durability to his haki body which by all means should already be to much for Sanji to bypass.
One punch from a serious Vergo would hurt Sanji badly. Once he matches him in cqc via leg combat a Haki covered Bamboo sticks goes upside his head.
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Feats of Zoro against Pica puts his striking speed much above anything what we have seen from Law or Sanji. It's not even debatable. He landed multiple hits,destroyed Pica's statue and defeated Pica while the statue was still afloat which means the he finished his business in matter of secs. Neither Law nor Sanji displayed that kind of feats so far.
I don't rate Law as high as you do. He has a convenient ability giving him advantage against brawler types if they go reckless and without knowledge, but in terms of actual level, he is below Luffy by a sizeable margin. He never landed a hit on Doflamingo by himself without help or dirty tricks, something base Luffy managed to accomplish(although against gamma knife weakened Doflamingo), with Doflamingo haki blocking room slash while Luffy's being comparable, him having difficulties to react to Vergo's soru that at best is comparable to gear2 Luffy speed if not slower except Luffy's act as a mode and gear4 putting him on a complete different level. Law compliments his lack of strength with his smart though and what makes you remaining a threat is gamma knife that when landed is a one shot ability for anyone other than Doflamingo, but he lacks the proper tools to be able to land it in a fair fight. Infact i think even Zoro may be stronger than him, but that's another topic
Re-read again. I place Old Rayleigh in the bracket to closer to top tier, meaning that they can have top tier strength(for the strongest of them), but are hinder by something not allowing them to operate at that level for long and in Old Rayleigh's case, i consider his decease in stamina as the reason
I count G4 Luffy with the drawbacks. It's for that reason i place him in the same tier with Doffy(with Doffy being the stronger one), but with better mastery i think he'd be in the tier higher
I'm not going to explain the reason behind my Burgess' or Jozu placement though. It has been argued to death in a base that praise Sabo and Doflamingo too much for little imo. Majority of this base is influenced by the virus of single clashes or current feats. I view things in a global scale however and it's the reason behind their placement
The only shit thing here is your ability to write a post, you said "If Zoro is above Sanji he is very well above the rest" giving no reason why Zoro is above Sanji or Law or Smoker. Get Zoro's d**k out of your mouth.
xanonymosx
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so all this time we are talking about strikeing speed and you couldnt understand what i meant ?
look dude it`s one of those two either you did get what i meant but you ignored it just to speak shit and ignore posting a counter or as i said you are just too dumb to understand that what I meant is the " strikeing speed " and that is not my problem
You aren't making sense. You only ever said Zoro was fast because of the Kraken feat I addressed it and you started talking about Smoker and Vergo so shut yo dumbass up. All you did was assume Zoro has better striking speed than Sanji and by extension Law and Smoker you ****ing dumbass Zoro wanker.
What does "actual level" even mean? When you rate a character you include everything their smarts their devil fruit and their advantage against the majority of characters. You say Law has an advantage over brawlers? Well a good percentage of fighters are brawlers, not to mention giving him an advantage over brawlers doesn't take anything away from him as Law can fight anybody else just fine if not better than brawlers.
For example a brawler doesn't have an advantage over a brawler obviously, but Law does, the only difference is a brawler can have a disadvantage against specialists (The Magellan, Law, Pica's) while Law still owns any specialist in terms of advantages, Law basically HAS ZERO disadvantages, match him up against almost any enemy in One Piece and you'll find he doesn't have a disadvantage, he'll lose simply because he's weaker. So this point doesn't really make much sense to me.
Why are you not accounting for the fact Law was never, not once, at full health when he fought Doflamingo this entire arc. Heck its amazing that he still put in the work he put in at the state he was in, most of us thought that when he was captured by Fujitora he was already too injured and fatigued to fight
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Also Law despite being injured did land a hit by himself
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, the latter attack being much more impressive than anything Luffy had done this was an injured Law vs a pretty healthy Doflamingo, not to mention Doflamingo was the one possibly using cheap stuff to injure Law even further
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, with Trebol holding on to him, not once did Oda give Law a fair fighting ground. Luffy was having trouble with Doflamingo even after Gamma Knife its not even that comparable. Prior to Gamma knife this is all Luffy could amount to: Blocked with no
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, take into account in all these cases Luffy was much better off than Law. Law's injection shot while he was half dead > anything Luffy did to Doflamingo before gamma knife. Gamma knife brought Doflamingo down to a level where Luffy could do something to Doffy, although he was still pretty useless without G4, all his hits like Doflamingo said weren't affecting him at all and this is WITH his torn up and battered organs
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. The only hit Luffy had pre Gamma knife was his red hawk and that was solely cause of Law's ability. This was a relay where one of either Law or Luffy had to weaken Doflamingo and the other had to finish him off, in this case Law fought first so he fell first, and to make matters even worse not only did he fight first he never fought healthy and theres a reason for that Oda didn't want a healthy Law and Luffy fighting at the same time because then it would make it much easier for them, he had Law handicapped and fight first and then a weakened Doflamingo fell to Luffy.
Nothing implies Luffy is significantly stronger than Law, in G4 he is, but we never saw Gear 4 against a healthy Doflamingo and despite this it doesn't last long at all.
Vergo already knew where the heart was going, right when Law caught the heart Vergo was already at Law's
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making it easier for him. Also again its the same ongoing theme with Law, Oda gave him another disadvantage, Vergo had his heart.
Saying Law would have major trouble with Vergo's speed is heavily inaccurate, Law kept up with Smoker who
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up with Vergo no problem infact you can make the case for Smoker being slightly
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than Vergo, Vergo certainly didn't beat Smoker with Speed it was his greater attack power and haki which did Smoker in (Smoker was also trying to get Law's heart back). Law would have no issues at all with Gear 2 Luffy's speed, he tagged Doflamingo a couple times and kept up and beat Smoker both most likely faster opponents than Vergo.
What makes you think he lacks the proper tools? All he would need to do is substitute himself for another object and teleport infront of the enemy catching them offguard, its nothing special it doesn't take any prep time if that's what you're implying think of it just as a more powerful injection shot. And like you said Law is smart, smart enough to figure out how to use it in battle.
This is pretty blasphemous, Law has the stamina, strength, speed, smarts, destructive capability basically anything you can name to dispose of Zoro, there is close to no category you can give a significant edge to Zoro other than sword skill but that is almost irrelevant in Law's room where you are under his mercy.
No doubt with better mastery hed be higher, G4 Luffy alone is top tier but Luffy as a whole is on Law's tier right now, nothing implies otherwise.
Like I said earlier it was just a relay, Law was set to fall first followed by Luffy, the order could have been changed around and Law would be the one finishing Doflamingo.
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Wrong.
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Smoker beating Vergo in speed and striking speed in fact there was never one panel in the whole Smoker vs Vergo fight where Vergo beat Smoker in speed go ahead look it up you won't find one.
I'm confused with this do you mean Vergo didn't seem to get a lot of hits or do you mean Smoker didn't seem to hit Vergo much? If the latter then Smoker actually hit Vergo as much as Sanji did and it was off paneled so he may have even got more hits on Vergo.
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