[Discussion] Sanji>Vergo

[Punk Hazard]

Topic was about Sanji vs Vergo yet it turned into a Zoro wank and insult thread.....geez....

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[Venomous Cobra]

Honestly and even if we go by portrayal sanji would get high-extreme diff'd by vergo(feats aside, I believe sanji has more than enough to beat vergo).

 

[Bogard]

Topic was about Sanji vs Vergo yet it turned into a Zoro wank and insult thread.....geez....

Just ignore it

@Cobra don't think i forgot your post, but it would take too long for me to reply on a phone

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Just ignore it

@Cobra don't think i forgot your post, but it would take too long for me to reply on a phone

Take your time

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Topic was about Sanji vs Vergo yet it turned into a Zoro wank and insult thread.....geez....

Not sure why Corazon liked your post since he is the one who first brought up Zoro vs Vergo.

 

[Hexuze]

Not sure why Corazon liked your post since he is the one who first brought up Zoro vs Vergo.

It was one sentence out of a paragraph and yet your buddy wanted to make it into an entire discussion. The purpose of that sentence was to show that not even Zoro (who is superior to Sanji) could defeat Vergo. It's not my fault he got all personal over this.

 

[Black Mamba]

I want to give Sanji the benefit of the doubt, but from what we've seen so far Sanji CAN NOT beat Vergo.

 

[bajram]

Your point? Just because Law defeats Vergo with ease doesn't mean Zoro has to defeat him as well. You're forgetting how Law's devil fruit works and that he has an advantage against brawlers (as seen with Vergo & Smoker). We seen Vergo eat up Sanji's DJ pretty easily. He has incredible base defenses as noted from Sanji and evident from his fight with Smoker. His speed is also an asset too, one of the best CoA users we've seen thus far with incredible speed can give Zoro a lot of trouble. You could say he's a bulkier version of Sanji with strong CoA while still retaining high speed. (probably not as high as Sanji's but still high enough against someone like Zoro)

Keep in mind that we never saw Vergo's full limit in FBH as well. Who knows what other feats he could of been able to pull off. Discussions like these literally take us no where since it's just being based on assumptions. Both characters never showed their full limits. I don't see Zoro being able to take down Doflamingo's first mate.

I actually see Law and Zoro around the same ballpark, so yeah.

Well u literally proved my point that Zoro also didnt show his limits so it all comes down to who u think is portrayed better in the manga, but yeah I'd agree that Vergo hasnt shown all of his arsenal also but to an extent really while on the other hand Zoro may even pull out an G4 as far as we know, he hasnt faced enemies that pushed him that far and we still didnt even get a glimpse of Asura or any high end move, I still think that Zoro would pull it through against Vergo.

Vergo beats him imo.

Though, Zoro vs Vergo would've been a good match up.

And the whole law "1-shot" thing is really overplayed, dude found the perfect chance and did it. Its kind of like how people assume Luffy can beat Doffy because of the recent fight. X_X

Not even close, Luffy was able to beat Doflamingo through efforts of many others but this isnt really the same, Law didnt just find the perfect chance to pull out a win but after getting his heart his words to Vergo and Dofla showed that he was confident as well as pretty sure that he can take down the VA, this is by no means just a one time chance, Law is stronger than Vergo cut and clear.

 

[Professor Verde]

Vergo beats him imo.

Though, Zoro vs Vergo would've been a good match up.

And the whole law "1-shot" thing is really overplayed, dude found the perfect chance and did it. Its kind of like how people assume Luffy can beat Doffy because of the recent fight. X_X

Well it's the fact that Law didn't use haki and all he needed was one shot. Let's not forget Law was restricted due to the fact that vergo had law's heart. And that Luffy comparison is bad too, count the people luffy went up against. I mean he fought half of doffy's family before beating doflamingo while he was sitting there:

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[ToshiZO]

he took out the bamboo stick to match ssmoker jelette... similar to what he did with sanji and kicking... ur right hes veristile but his fight with smoker doesnt suggest tht his forte is his bamboo. his name however (has bamboo in it) so one could say is his bamboo is his best offense (and the fbh is best defense) now tht can be suggested... but sanji was indeed injured everyone forgets this.... the mind is what relates how much damage the body is taking.. even with a strong body a weak mind may relate to brain information tht the pain being recieved is 2 much (in this case nami mind) which explains sanji kneeling after getting his body bsack from nami

Everything points at his bamboo being his primary fighting style, his strongest move and his epithet derives from it.

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Haki only upgrade your offense and defense. it doesn't make you immune to damage. For example, if you can dish out town level attacks, with strong enough haki, it increases to town+ level attack. Similarly, if your durability is town level, with strong enough haki, it improves to town+ lvl defense, similarly to tekkai but except haki is mental when tekkai is physical. Hence why defensive haki can be overcome with brute strength(like preskip Luffy vs Sandersonia), so because Vergo's haki is strong doesn't mean that if he faces someone with inferior haki than him, that he couldn't damage him. If he has town level durability and his strong armament increases his defense up to town+ level, if he faces a city level attack(even without haki), he'd go down. I'm fairly certain Luffy has weaker armament than Vergo, but he'd crush him with his city level attacks because his offensive power is that great, exactly like how he was crushing Doflamingo who even has better durability feats despite being weaker in armament than him. Vergo has shown to be able to take town level attacks pretty well, but city level attacks is beyond his level and Zoro's daisen sekai operate at that level and can even be spammed an incredible fast rate. So while he'd certainly have a hard time, the moment Zoro will pull daisen sekai, it would be over for Vergo and that's without Asura

We have never seen the upper limit of Vergo's durability, so that's simply an assumption. Law's ability bypasses regular durability. It was a combination of his haki + DF which did in Vergo's superior haki. Also it shouldn't be easy to land major attacks either, even Law with teleportation was having a tough time reacting to Vergo earlier on, and he kept up with Sanji's kicking speed.

Not even close, Luffy was able to beat Doflamingo through efforts of many others but this isnt really the same, Law didnt just find the perfect chance to pull out a win but after getting his heart his words to Vergo and Dofla showed that he was confident as well as pretty sure that he can take down the VA, this is by no means just a one time chance, Law is stronger than Vergo cut and clear.

While I do believe Law is stronger than Vergo, that wasn't really a fair judgement of the difference between them, Vergo was unaware that Law's attack could cut him so he just charged head on. Replace Vergo with anyone on Law's tier and they would get cut the same way. If Luffy was charging the same way unknowing that he can be cut hed be cut down the same, would that make him much weaker than Law? You need proper amount of intel to beat Law let alone the wrong intel which Vergo had.

And that Luffy comparison is bad too, count the people luffy went up against. I mean he fought half of doffy's family before beating doflamingo while he was sitting there:

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If those fodders are used as an excuse, that's only more proof Luffy wasn't ready for Doflamingo 1v1.

 

[Professor Verde]

Everything points at his bamboo being his primary fighting style, his strongest move and his epithet derives from it.

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We have never seen the upper limit of Vergo's durability, so that's simply an assumption. Law's ability bypasses regular durability. It was a combination of his haki + DF which did in Vergo's superior haki. Also it shouldn't be easy to land major attacks either, even Law with teleportation was having a tough time reacting to Vergo earlier on, and he kept up with Sanji's kicking speed.



While I do believe Law is stronger than Vergo, that wasn't really a fair judgement of the difference between them, Vergo was unaware that Law's attack could cut him so he just charged head on. Replace Vergo with anyone on Law's tier and they would get cut the same way. If Luffy was charging the same way unknowing that he can be cut hed be cut down the same, would that make him much weaker than Law? You need proper amount of intel to beat Law let alone the wrong intel which Vergo had.


If those fodders are used as an excuse, that's only more proof Luffy wasn't ready for Doflamingo 1v1.

Except that he did beat Doffy one v one.

You're telling me those people he fought in the stadium and his executives are fodders?

What's your excuse?

He was hit by a knife?

 

[TheHokage]

I am not assuming anything I am telling you Zoro haki>Vergo's....Oda stated that in the straw hat crew Zoro is the CoA specialist that alone speaks for its self and I cant also stress the fact enough that Zoro cut through a full body haki user so it is nothing special Vergo is not that special Zoro is stronger stop denying manga facts.

You're still ignoring the argument that there's no feats that Zoro has to suggest his CoA is superior to Vergo's. It should be obvious by now people have different levels of CoA and you can't just say because two characters can use FBH that their CoA is similar in level. No one is denying manga facts you're just making them up.

But anyway on topic Vergo was a clear cut above the other Elite Executives I mean why would he be taken out so early. Sanji was clearly overwhelmed by Vergo no shame in that at all.

 

[A v i]

Vergo was shown to be stronger.

 

[Bogard]

We have never seen the upper limit of Vergo's durability, so that's simply an assumption. Law's ability bypasses regular durability. It was a combination of his haki + DF which did in Vergo's superior haki. Also it shouldn't be easy to land major attacks either, even Law with teleportation was having a tough time reacting to Vergo earlier on, and he kept up with Sanji's kicking speed.

I agree and it's one of the reasons i put Law, Zoro and Vergo in the same tier

More like this imo

White- Sanji, Smoker, Jinbe

Off White(high tier)- Law, Zoro, Vergo, Hancock

Silver(between top and high tier but closer to high tier)- Burgess, G4 Luffy, Doflamingo

Gray(between top and high tier but closer to top tier)- Sabo, Jozu, Old Rayleigh

Black(top tiers)- Marco, Shanks, Akainu, Fujitora, Kuzan, Kaidou etc

Legendary(World strongest)- Roger, WB

With full knowledge i view Vergo able to give hard fights to those 2(yes even Law), but i tend to place them higher since they still have trump cards in reserve(gamma knife or post-skip Asura that remains to be seen)

 

[ssjelf]

Can someone please explain what vergos haki feats even are? The way I see it is he has full body and he managed to beat smokers haki (which has an unknown value) I feel like the whole thread is hinging on vergos superior haki and yet I don't recall anything that suggests his haki is any stronger than picas.

 

[xanonymosx]

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for the who knows time speed is not a big deal when you have enough reaction and striking speed

law , smoker and sanji all of them managed to land a hit on vergo yet zoro the one who clearly has the best strikeng speed among them is not going to get to vergo is really laughable

and now to vergo`s overwanked FBH... you need to know two manga facts :

1- haki is a defensive spirit shield but if it`s strrong enough it can be used for attack : rayleigh
2- using too much of your haki weakens you and after some time you are going to lose it (full body is pinnacle of using it too much because you cover all your body with haki )

now for the first note vergo`s strongest hakified attack is oni take which he used on smoker . now compare that to daisen sekai and you will know the diffrence . or does some one seriously think that oni take can do the same to pica`s golem ?

now zoro`s strongest hakified attack shown is >>>> vergo`s strongest one so why would vergo`s FBH which is nothing but vergo using his haki on all of his body be able to whistand such a hit ? and considering the second note about how too much of your haki is going weaken you over time i need to ask why are people overrating this thing too much ?

 

[GT Is Not Canon]

Sanji falling out of pace in monster trio, vergo stomped him- its pretty clear vergo wasn't going all out-he crushed smoker, new feats or nothing, bartolomeo for the 3 spot

 

[kageking]

It depends on sanjis haki. Zoro showed he's trained his haki to a level where pica was no competition for him. We haven't seen that from sanji, that's not to assume he can't do it, but to say we shouldn't simply assume he can. He has the speed and power to fight virgo, but without strony haki he'd lose no matter what.

 

[-Akuma-]

Na fam, with current standing Sanji would lose. When Sanji goes all out I think he would have feats which would put him above Vergo.

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for the who knows time speed is not a big deal when you have enough reaction and striking speed

law , smoker and sanji all of them managed to land a hit on vergo yet zoro the one who clearly has the best strikeng speed among them is not going to get to vergo is really laughable and now to vergo`s overwanked FBH... you need to know two manga facts :

1- haki is a defensive spirit shield but if it`s strrong enough it can be used for attack : rayleigh
2- using too much of your haki weakens you and after some time you are going to lose it (full body is pinnacle of using it too much because you cover all your body with haki )

now for the first note vergo`s strongest hakified attack is oni take which he used on smoker . now compare that to daisen sekai and you will know the diffrence . or does some one seriously think that oni take can do the same to pica`s golem ?

now zoro`s strongest hakified attack shown is >>>> vergo`s strongest one so why would vergo`s FBH which is nothing but vergo using his haki on all of his body be able to whistand such a hit ? and considering the second note about how too much of your haki is going weaken you over time i need to ask why are people overrating this thing too much ?

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[xanonymosx]

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it`s not my fault if you are too ignorant to know the difference between speed and striking speed