That's like saying how can WB land a hit in G2 Luffy if WB is slow, makes no sense whatsoever, the fact that he was able to match Sanji main fighting style just casually without using CoA is enough to think the fight would be high-extreme diff either way.
[Discussion] Sanji>Vergo
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Ehm ussop never fought any opponent at vergo's level, he even had problem keeping away the g5 soldiers without zoro who was literally slashing them while speaking to luff. Ussop has shown some of the most praise worthy durability feats throughout the series, I wouldn't underestimate him that much.
Ehmm lower level attacks still do manage to damage you unless you were ready for them and dodged them, or use CoA to protect yourself and sanji did neither as he was in nami's body.
It was enough for him to mention them. The so called monster questioned ussop about the injuries and ussop replied"nami got beat up by cesar in that body".
bro read what yoou just said.surprise? vergo literary turned around and spoke to the person that was coming toward him. That was no surprise fam, it was a straight
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.Actually, when you're fighting someone like sanji who is using the lower part of his body, you're also forced to the same(some exceptions like long range fighters, those with weapons and most of all mid range fighters.) because your reaction to his kicks would be much faster as you're also using the lower part of you body, this was shown multiple times, like sanji vs kalifa for example, her fighting stlye wasn't revolved around kicking, yet she had to in order to keep up with his weird yet effective fighting style. I also want to inform you that using your hands to block kicks that targets either your lower body parts or the middle ones is nearly impossible without your legs or weapons. Just imagine someone who is trying to kick your stomach, would you really go all the way down and bend your knees just to block their kicks with your arms?:lol
Agreed. His bamboo would have been a match changer but honestly, if smoker who is inferior to sanji managed to land hits wouldn't sanji coa be enough? more importantly vergo used his haki to attack tashigi who using some of the weakest CoAs in the new world to tank it without going unconscious or even dropping any
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Those bambo shots would get dodged fairly easy by sanji who showed his superior CoO multiple times like spotting dofflamingo as well as his ship in matter of seconds despite derrosa and the sea covering a huge amount of distance. there;s also him using it in
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zoro didn't notice or rather didn't care who was there and whose aura was it, sanji on the other hand was able to realize that it was 1- tashigi and the g5
2-that vergo was attacking them
I also want to inform you that sanji was blocking vergos kicks like nothing despite having a"broken bone". Broken bones ain't much, mr.2 in alabasta was able to break a few of bones form sanji's body and yet the later managed to fight him pretty well.
lol stop right here, specialty has nothing to do with who has a stronger haki, unless of course you're implying zoro's aremnet haki>>>>luffY?
And even if we go by your logic, sanji should be able to avoid all of vergo's moves like nothing since he has CoO while vergo doesn't(he wasn't confirmed to have and thus he don't)
This is based on assumption. For one we know that dofflimingo humiliated smoker at the very end of punk hazard yet he hadn't said anything about his strength. Sanji on the other hand was praised as "the tough one" despite not using haki..............yet again..............
Actually he had the blood coming out of his mouth and face twice. It is safe to say that he sanji was damaging his interiors
Not if added his own haki to it. And let me remind you that anti manner kick was able to not only drop oz who had huge ass body but also break the spine of one of the giants in davy back arc if I remmeber correctly . You're currently acting as if sanji's haki isn't even strong enough to damage vergo.......
His speed plus his fighting style is all what he needs. as you implied yourself a person with haki specialty is stronger than someone who doesn't even have that type f haki which CoO , and thus dodging veergo's kicks should be easier than damaging him. and let me remind you that CoA has limits from what we've seen in the chapter so once vergo goes full body coa it is safe to assume that he is on his limits with haki.
High diff basing off Pica abilities in the fight with Zoro because he performed the same feat of which Vergo performed(full body haki) and Zoro cut through it with ease Vergo shouldn't be that far off in strength compared to Pica.
By that logic, Zoro should be able to cut through every FBH user. Aren't you assuming that Pica's CoA is on the same level as Vergo's? Vergo has had a lot of experience with CoA. Vergo is Doflamingo's first mate, I don't see him losing to Zoro. Vergo wins high diff.
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im curious do u have some type of notification thing where everytime someone mentions zoro in a comment u automatically get notified ??
Zoro was still able to beat Pica without showing his strongest moves nor did he show any high end move, the fact that Pica barely landed a blow if any at this rate speaks volumes about Zoro, hell the guy was on a run since the fight started, the only thing to prolong the fight that long is because Pica used his DF advantage and made the fight more tricky for a straight out brawler like Zoro, long story short we are yet to see Zoro being pushed to high diff or extreme, and its pretty werid to think that Zoro wouldnt beat someone like Vergo at this point in the story if Law was able to take him out.
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I am not assuming anything I am telling you Zoro haki>Vergo's....Oda stated that in the straw hat crew Zoro is the CoA specialist that alone speaks for its self and I cant also stress the fact enough that Zoro cut through a full body haki user so it is nothing special Vergo is not that special Zoro is stronger stop denying manga facts.
Trust me bro I think they are smoking crack especially after the feats Zoro pulled against Pica giving the fact that he wasnt that impressive he is still the 2nd strongest after Vergo.
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Vergo wrecks Sanji stop being silly. Vergo with Full body Haki plus Bamboo stick shits on Sanji with just Haki covered on his leg. Before Haki Vergo leg powers alone>Sanji's and that's all he good for. If Vergo were to go all out like this there would be no more Sanji.
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The hardcore Zoro fanboys get defensive over this stuff lol so it's not surprising. You don't see me quoting people if they think Zoro is stronger than Vergo (unless they quote me first or say something stupid like Zoro low diff's). I really don't get why they make a big deal over VS discussions lol.
Your point? Just because Law defeats Vergo with ease doesn't mean Zoro has to defeat him as well. You're forgetting how Law's devil fruit works and that he has an advantage against brawlers (as seen with Vergo & Smoker). We seen Vergo eat up Sanji's DJ pretty easily. He has incredible base defenses as noted from Sanji and evident from his fight with Smoker. His speed is also an asset too, one of the best CoA users we've seen thus far with incredible speed can give Zoro a lot of trouble. You could say he's a bulkier version of Sanji with strong CoA while still retaining high speed. (probably not as high as Sanji's but still high enough against someone like Zoro)
Keep in mind that we never saw Vergo's full limit in FBH as well. Who knows what other feats he could of been able to pull off. Discussions like these literally take us no where since it's just being based on assumptions. Both characters never showed their full limits. I don't see Zoro being able to take down Doflamingo's first mate.
I'm not denying manga facts? Dafuq are you talking about LOL. Did I deny that Zoro cut through Pica's CoA? No. I'm just saying you can't really use that scenario of Zoro cutting Pica's Haki as a way to saying Zoro > Vergo. You're not assuming anything? Please prove to me with manga facts that Pica's CoA is superior to Vergo's.
Even more insults? Do you really get that butthurt over VS discussions? If I think Vergo > Zoro, do you really gotta cry and nag me every time why I think Vergo is superior? Seriously, this was certainly not the first time you asked me this as well lol.
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Vergo beats him imo.
Though, Zoro vs Vergo would've been a good match up.
And the whole law "1-shot" thing is really overplayed, dude found the perfect chance and did it. Its kind of like how people assume Luffy can beat Doffy because of the recent fight. X_X
Though, Zoro vs Vergo would've been a good match up.
And the whole law "1-shot" thing is really overplayed, dude found the perfect chance and did it. Its kind of like how people assume Luffy can beat Doffy because of the recent fight. X_X
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ur the only one taking it to heart.... i dnt understand why u put pica fbh on the level of vergos when the two fight differently... pica fighting style focuses on not getting hit and not using his real body whereas vergo focuses on tanking and specifcally using his haki to take out enemies (pica focuses on his devil fruit)... hell if u think about zoro couldnt catch pica without tht king punch guy help vergo is way faster then pica...... ? so he should def be harder to hit... (as for whos stronger between vergo and pica id say vergo but pica fighting style is bad match up seeing as he hides inside tht golem etc.. vergo is close range fighter).....
i personally believe zoro is slightly weaker then vergo or they r even...
law used both haki (to outhaki vergo) but also mixed his devil fruit inside (similar to what akainu did just tht law embodies his cutting power via sword and room)... u act as if law beat vergo in straight haki battle cuz tht was not the case....
i personally think zoro would lose against vergo or have extreme time defeating him (both have trouble against one another) cuz zoro doenst have fbh but vergo does (so what he cut picas pica specializes in not getting hurt lol... or hit) and zoro can combat his bamboo stick haki thing with his own swords embodied with haki..
it be great fight tho idk why ppl say zoro would mid diff vergo... or even some say low diff when he had a semi high diff fight with pica ( yes in terms of straight strength pica is outclassed by zoro but outclassing zoro in speed mixed with his evasiveness got him to a mid to semi high diff match) mixing that with his df useage of course.... (who knows how long tht fight wouldve lasted if it was only just zoro and not whole bunch of ppl cuz pica was protecting getting past the level to doffy as well as fighting zoro and king guy helped zoro catch him)
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Haki only upgrade your offense and defense. it doesn't make you immune to damage. For example, if you can dish out town level attacks, with strong enough haki, it increases to town+ level attack. Similarly, if your durability is town level, with strong enough haki, it improves to town+ lvl defense, similarly to tekkai but except haki is mental when tekkai is physical. Hence why defensive haki can be overcome with brute strength(like preskip Luffy vs Sandersonia), so because Vergo's haki is strong doesn't mean that if he faces someone with inferior haki than him, that he couldn't damage him. If he has town level durability and his strong armament increases his defense up to town+ level, if he faces a city level attack(even without haki), he'd go down. I'm fairly certain Luffy has weaker armament than Vergo, but he'd crush him with his city level attacks because his offensive power is that great, exactly like how he was crushing Doflamingo who even has better durability feats despite being weaker in armament than him. Vergo has shown to be able to take town level attacks pretty well, but city level attacks is beyond his level and Zoro's daisen sekai operate at that level and can even be spammed an incredible fast rate. So while he'd certainly have a hard time, the moment Zoro will pull daisen sekai, it would be over for Vergo and that's without Asura
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