You're just blaming God for your own mischief, which you of your own will do. That's low. Humans may be all the things you said, but humans can also control all of those traits. For us Muslims, that's the point of fasting during Ramadan (no food, water, or sexual activities during the day) and other days, as it allows us to control our gluttony and pervertedness, thus increasing our self-restraint and disciple.There are numerous narrations of the Prophet commenting on how one shouldn't eat more than 1/3 of their full. Islam has many practices akin to this one, all of which helps strengthen one's willpower and ability to suppress their own desires in favor of what God wants from us. Too much of anything is discouraged in Islam, even worshiping too much is not recommended, and the same follows for any other desires or wants a human may have.I'm agnostic, but if the christian god, or any form of the "creator of all the universe" god does exist, **** that guy. He gave free will to the most selfish, violent, perverted, gluttonous, overall worst species to walk the earth and expects us to not to do shit outside his commandments, knowing damn well we're going to do shit outside of his commandments. If there is a god, and there is a supposed "judgement day" where everyone stands trial in front of god for what they did on planet earth, I know damn well I'm going to hell, but I'm gonna give him some of my damn two cents about his master plan and mysterious ways. "What's the big idea giving humans freewill? Smooth move 'GOD', it was almost as good of an idea as creating mosquitoes". Creator of all things my ass.:devil:
God should read this the next time he's about to get pissed off and blow up a couple cities or flood the planet out of anger.You're just blaming God for your own mischief, which you of your own will do. That's low. Humans may be all the things you said, but humans can also control all of those traits. For us Muslims, that's the point of fasting during Ramadan (no food, water, or sexual activities during the day) and other days, as it allows us to control our gluttony and pervertedness, thus increasing our self-restraint and disciple.
Violence is only ever a factor of one losing their anger or control of their emotions, which, once again, humans can restrain through their will power. Prophet Muhammad has said that controlling one's anger, or not getting angry, is one of the best practices a human can do, and he has given many instructions on how one should act if they start to feel angry so as not to let that emotion manifest into action. There are even rewards for those who hold back their anger, as God knows how difficult this can be to do. I myself get mad many times, but simply hold back my anger and don't lash out at anyone because that is something I have discipled myself to be able to do.
They're not really "human" traits when God has them too.All of these human traits you're trying to pin the blame on God for can be controlled by yourself. You just need to be able to do so.
Again, like with the other person I was talking to, you're only saying this because you don't believe God exists. So I can't take this seriously. Especially considering you're acting like God doesn't have self control.God should read this the next time he's about to get pissed off and blow up a couple cities or flood the planet out of anger.
God has them on a perfect level.They're not really "human" traits when God has them too.
do you understand that your replies have lost all rationality and became affected by many biases that make them not worth a replie ?God should read this the next time he's about to get pissed off and blow up a couple cities or flood the planet out of anger.
They're not really "human" traits when God has them too.
God doesn't exist tho.You're basically blaming God for your mischiefs. I'm sorry but I can't help but find that funny. ^^
TL;DR god doesn't exist.You're just blaming God for your own mischief, which you of your own will do. That's low. Humans may be all the things you said, but humans can also control all of those traits. For us Muslims, that's the point of fasting during Ramadan (no food, water, or sexual activities during the day) and other days, as it allows us to control our gluttony and pervertedness, thus increasing our self-restraint and disciple.There are numerous narrations of the Prophet commenting on how one shouldn't eat more than 1/3 of their full. Islam has many practices akin to this one, all of which helps strengthen one's willpower and ability to suppress their own desires in favor of what God wants from us. Too much of anything is discouraged in Islam, even worshiping too much is not recommended, and the same follows for any other desires or wants a human may have.
Violence is only ever a factor of one losing their anger or control of their emotions, which, once again, humans can restrain through their will power. Prophet Muhammad has said that controlling one's anger, or not getting angry, is one of the best practices a human can do, and he has given many instructions on how one should act if they start to feel angry so as not to let that emotion manifest into action. There are even rewards for those who hold back their anger, as God knows how difficult this can be to do. I myself get mad many times, but simply hold back my anger and don't lash out at anyone because that is something I have discipled myself to be able to do.
All of these human traits you're trying to pin the blame on God for CAN be controlled by yourself. You just need to be able to do so.
Also find it funny that, even if you're saying it hypothetically, you actually think you could talk smack to God on the day where he appears before you. On the same day where the Sun is mere miles above our heads, where all the Angels of God are watching over us, and on the same day where Hellfire and Paradise are presented to us, you actually think you'd have the ability then to even dare say such things? Some arrogance . You couldn't even do that to one of the world leaders of today in fear of your safety, so don't go acting like you would actually do that with God, especially not when you know you're in deep trouble already. Only reason you're saying you'd do this is because you don't 100% believe he's real.
In any case, God does in fact expect us to do things outside of his commandments, as no humans, excluding Prophets, sin. tThat's why there's such a thing as asking him for forgiveness, and anyone who asks for forgiveness from him with a sincere heart, with the intention of trying their best to not commit whatever sin it was they did, will always be forgiven.
Surprised that this thread got 18 pages and no flame war ever initiated.
God doesn't exist tho.
TL;DR god doesn't exist.
Then why are you trying to blame him for your dumb decisions in life?TL;DR god doesn't exist.
Welcome to the jinx clubI jinxed it?
Then why are you trying to blame him for your dumb decisions in life?
There are no contradictions. The opening part of my post (which you call "fluff") actually serves to set up the terms and definitions so that no misunderstandings or wrong topics arise. It is also interviened with the rest of the post so you not seeing the connection simply means you're not paying enough attention as it is logically indeed connected. Otherwise I would have left it out.See, you've kind of contradicted yourself. Most of your post before addressing the premises and bringing up transcendency is fluff, but a good chunk of it describes that we "know embarrassingly little" about matter, that what is matter is disputed, argued, and still not clearly defined. And then you go on to say that because we understand so much about matter, or that we understand aspects about matter, and the universe, at all, that it can't be classified as "transcendent."
Indeed, we understand some things about God - those He chose to reveal to us. (Though most of the stuff you listed don't fall into the category and are huge overstatements.) I already said this myself. What we really know about Him is actually nothing more but His Revelation. We didn't discover this on our own, in fact we didn't do anything to gain this knowledge. He came to us and revealed it in a comprehensible way. And that's the reason why His transcendency is intact.However, we understand aspects of God as well. Your argument leans towards the definition of transcendent as being beyond comprehension. However, God isn't completely beyond comprehension. We understand aspects of God, such as his relationship with his angels and the universe. We understand that he has the capacity for emotion, exhibiting anger, love, jealously, trust, sadness, happiness, and pride. We understand God's principles. We understand that he's super powerful. We understand God's history. We understand a lot about God. Just like matter and the Universe, we understand very little about God. But we understand a degree, just like matter and the universe, and if that means the Universe and matter aren't transcendent, then it means God isn't either.
Ok, and? We're discussing His concept here.God doesn't exist tho.
It has begun XD
Well, someone's having a good time...*grabs popcorn* XD
Are we just discussing his "concept", because the way you refer to "God" in your comments seem to be discussing his existence. What I'm trying to ask you is what is your stance on the belief in a god? You probably answered that already somewhere in this thread, but I dont feel like going through 10+ pages of thread to find the answer.Ok, and? We're discussing His concept here.
Even if He doesn't exist we can still observe His character through what is considered to be His revalation. (Regardless of wether one considers it true or not.)
In this thread we discussed all sorts of things but currently, in the issue you're presenting, we are pretty much just touching on the concept of God rather than His actual existence. The same goes for my currently ongoing debate with Riker. We're not arguing wether God exists or not. We're arguing wether universe can be an exception to certain rules the same way God can. (Regardless of whether He exists or not).Are we just discussing his "concept", because the way you refer to "God" in your comments seem to be discussing his existence. What I'm trying to ask you is what is your stance on the belief in a god? You probably answered that already somewhere in this thread, but I dont feel like going through 10+ pages of thread to find the answer.
Because both are connected and practically are same. Religion is just metaphysical form of policies, that were used in time ago and even today not only in countries like Saudi Arabia, Vatican etc. but also in so called "secular" states. My country's constitution even use quotes and ideas of Christianity.I hate religion due to the negative impact it has on our political system.
Is that why you're constantly ignoring the arguments other people lay out?
We bring up homosexual animals when someone tries to argue that homosexuality isn't natural. We don't use homosexual animals as an argument for homosexuality being good since we know that natural doesn't mean good (nothing wrong with homosexuality).She ignores people who pose a threat against her logic
I asked her does it make sense to follow all the things that animals do after one of her central arguments for homosexuality was that animals do it. I was then called a bigot and put on ignore