[Discussion] Religion

[DominiqueX]

I've always wondered why religious people go to the doctor, use medication or let do surgeries to them.. if death is meant to be god's way to take a person's soul to heaven. Wouldn't they interfere with god's plans by relying on any form of medicine?

 

[Marin]

I've always wondered why religious people go to the doctor, use medication or let do surgeries to them.. if death is meant to be god's way to take a person's soul to heaven. Wouldn't they interfere with god's plans by relying on any form of medicine?

You do realise not all religious people believe in a diety right? Let alone see death in such a way.

 

[Marin]

Gnosticism. They don't believe God in Old Testament is the devil, but a despotic demiurge called Samael. They also believe Jesus is not God but sort of a spiritual guide. It obviously is an heresy so

Cathars. Cathars is the name. I forgot it.

 

[Deadlift]

I've always wondered why religious people go to the doctor, use medication or let do surgeries to them.. if death is meant to be god's way to take a person's soul to heaven. Wouldn't they interfere with god's plans by relying on any form of medicine?

This is the worst anti religious argument I've ever seen

 

[Marin]

This is the worst anti religious argument I've ever seen

Sadly its not. ._.

 

[DominiqueX]

Because we are hardwired for survival. Why go against the instinct God gave us?

So your god wants you to interfere with his/her/its actions as long as possible? Damn, he/she/it has to be really bored.

 

[Marin]

So your god wants you to interfere with his/her/its actions as long as possible? Damn, he/she/it has to be really bored.

Where exactly are you getting an idea that going to the doctor is against God?

hahahahahaha

you know you're stupid right ? I assure you that you are hhhhhhhhhhhh
I know you can't believe me because of your mental condition.

What she said may not be the best argument out there but it gives you no right to bash her. This thread had no member bashing so far so let's keep it that way. Posts reported and hopefully the thread goes unaffected.

 

[DominiqueX]

you know you're stupid right ? I assure you that you are hhhhhhhhhhhh
I know you can't believe me because of your mental condition.

Thanks for exposing yourself. That's exactly what I expected.
Someone questions religious people and there will always be those who come out of their caves, shouting with anger and throwing around nothing but insults. That is exactly why I dislike people like you so much. Have fun on my ignore-list.

God gave us free will so we have the right to choose whether we want to live longer or not. It doesn't go against his rules, now does it? But those who believe in God must believe that he has a plan for us, meaning that everything is preordained, meaning our wanting to use medicine to live longer must have been in his plan. Makes sense, right?

Unless you just cherry pick your shit, like the majority do.

@bold
Not really, that's why I asked. So he/she/it is a super-bored mastermind who planned everything? How can you call it "free will" then, if everything is already preordained by your god's plans?

 

[nefraiko]

Where exactly are you getting an idea that going to the doctor is against God?





What she said may not be the best argument out there but it gives you no right to bash her. This thread had no member bashing so far so let's keep it that way. Posts reported and hopefully the thread goes unaffected.

yeah I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that and I apologize.

but its hard not to laugh at people who make it hard not to laugh at people who make it hard not laugh at people who
lol, it appears konanx said I did throw nothing but insults, no arguments I just insult.

ok honesly, I give my honest apologize to konanx, I shouldn't have made fun of you, I would supress my previous post but it would seem dishonest.

 

[VongolaLegacy]

Well at least it should be forbidden that IS using israeli technology.
Damn hypocrites

 

[Marin]

Thanks for exposing yourself. That's exactly what I expected.
Someone questions religious people and there will always be those who come out of their caves, shouting with anger and throwing around nothing but insults. That is exactly why I dislike people like you so much. Have fun on my ignore-list.

Is that why you're constantly ignoring the arguments other people lay out?

@bold
Not really, that's why I asked. So he/she/it is a super-bored mastermind who planned everything? How can you call it "free will" then, if everything is already preordained by your god's plans?

You obviously don't understand what free will is.

 

[Deadlift]

Thanks for exposing yourself. That's exactly what I expected.
Someone questions religious people and there will always be those who come out of their caves, shouting with anger and throwing around nothing but insults. That is exactly why I dislike people like you so much. Have fun on my ignore-list

It's obvious you're trolling, since usually those who get bashed for their beliefs are the religious people.. Oh wait, you ignored me too ahahahah

 

[Marin]

It's obvious you're trolling, since usually those who get bashed for their beliefs are the religious people.. Oh wait, you ignored me too ahahahah

"Tnx 4 exposing yourself deadlift - off to ignore list. Smh. u.u"

Well at least it should be forbidden that IS using israeli technology.
Damn hypocrites

lol wut?

 

[Deadlift]

Jean Grey was right, I definitely jinxed it with that reply about the politeness of this discussion :/

 

[Marin]

Jean Grey was right, I definitely jinxed it with that reply about the politeness of this discussion :/

15 pages is still a record tho.

 

[DominiqueX]

You're the religious one so you tell me. We have free will but he also has a plan for us. We have free will but there's a plethora of rules. Isn't it just a load of tiresome bullshit? He really must be bored.

No, I'm not religious at all.

 

[VongolaLegacy]

All of you dont know what its really meant in those old scriptures you only interpretate it, so stop talking like you know the whole definition about this so called free will in the bible.

 

[nefraiko]

15 pages is still a record tho.

I wonder what is the member that trigered the bigbang. and what characteristics he must have.

 

[Marin]

I wonder what is the member that trigered the bigbang. and what characteristics he must have.

Lots of frustrations that's for sure.

 

[Deadlift]

15 pages is still a record tho.

We can summarize this debate in:

First part; general presentation of each one's personal views + a taste of apologetics from Christians and Muslims on Hashiramadara's questions.
Second part; discussion between theists and atheists about a newborn's beliefs and whether religion is something well backed up or a tool for controlling people.
Third part; debate between Christians and Muslims about the Bible and the will of God.
Fourth part; debate between Christians and atheists about the historical truth of the Bible and Jesus;
Fifth part; debate between Muslims and atheists about cosmology and origin-fine tuning of the universe+TranzzistX final house-cleaning reply.
Sixth part (going on); random people saying random things.