Reincarnation or REINCARNATIONS of the SO6P????

[EMS]

I was too lazy to read all of it but did, well put

 

[projecttsukinome]

Thanks everyone

 

[~Uzumaki~]

This Is Naruto, not Avatar. There are no reincarnations in Naruto. Power is a product of ideals and ninjutsu and destiny. Naruto was passed the Will of Fire, taught some of the strongest ninjutsu in existence and is destined to bring peace. Pure and simple. Rikudou made his ideals, made his ninjutsu and forged his own destiny, eventually predicting Naruto's.

Rikudo didn't provide a way to revive the Ten Tails, Madara merely chased that goal on his own. Rikudo did all he could to stop the Ten Tails, even going through the trouble of disposing of its corpse far beyond man's reach; in the moon.

Also, the Uchiha Tablet doesn't detail how to awaken the Rinnegan, it merely states that a god split his power into yin and yang and the merging of both would blah blah blah. He was a man who believed in unity and love and all the sappy ideals that make a true good guy. U_U :scorps:

 

[Redhothabanero]

whoa what a long theory!
nice job man..obito vs naruto is gonna be final.so6p will appear..

 

[ThilinaC]

Very nicely done mate,kudos.Savior vs destroyer two sides of the same coin that was once the SO6P himself,really like this idea.Frog sage's prediction is also kinda gives us some hint that Obito can be the final villain since Sasuke suddenly turned "good" now.Only downside for me in this theory is for this to happen then 99% sure Kakashi will die :/

 

[sanninuto]

yeah very true

 

[emo313]

GREAT theory
it might be long but it was a discursive theory
it might be true :heh:

 

[Dark Slayer]

Good theory. I have to admit is was a interesting read as well. Read the whole thing.

 

[WhiteDespair]

I think you are onto something

 

[aimop95]

Good theory.

I liked it alot.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

Basically what I'm about to say is based on my two earlier threads, 'Era before the SO6P - wrapped in eternal genjutsu?????(

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What we can see from my earlier threads that the SO6P had two beliefs, at first he believed in mutual understanding, but then he had to admit to the fact that true peace is not possible in this world...

I don't know how you got the second will of the SO6P, but I disagree with it. Somewhere, the SO6P asked the Bijus to look for what is true strength. I think that the SO6P still believed that the understanding was what could bring true peace. I also think that the SO6P was in contact with the toads, and seeing how the toads put the understanding thingy in Jiraya, your second opinion seems rather questionable.

Now let us take a tour through the timeline of the Narutoverse. We will begin with Uchiha Madara. He was the first one after the SO6P to activate the Rinnegan. He at first approved the concept of village, then realization hit him.

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As we all know by now, Madara planted his eyes,the Rinnegan into Nagato as a child. Now, what does this signify? Only to use the Gedou Rinne Tensei no jutsu on him? Or was he planning to entrust his will to Nagato,waiting for him to grow up? I think Madara had both these in his mind. One thing we know for sure, at that point of time Madara did not include Obito in his plans. He didn't expect a half crushed Uchiha kid to present himself before his 'eye'(As he had one Sharingan at that time =D).

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Again, it seems to me that you are adding think to the story. According to Madara, he had only one goal for giving his eyes to Nagato. Madara was weakened, and he couldn't use any power because his life force was gone. Without life force, the Rinnegan would have accelerate his death. The only possible way for him was to connect himself to Gedo Mazou, but he also wanted to complete his dream. Thus, he gave his eyes to Nagato, and he had resources to wait until Nagato grow up to revive him. Even if Obito did not come, the plan was logical because the Zetsu could do the job. Obito was a Cherry on top of the initial plan. Madara had no intention in transmitting his will to Nagato or Obito.

Also, after Madara met Obito when he was revived, his first question was what everyone has been doing. Madara planned for the kid to die so that he can achieve his own plan. This itself prove your other point inaccurate - that is when you think Madara saw SO6P in Obito. Nagato and Obito were clearly sacrificial pieces in Madara's plan and Obito's attitude towards him as proven it. We may even learn that Madara was the one acting in the hidden midst, and who cause the Rin incident and planned Obito's accident as well. Madara is a delusional person who have been pulling string in the shadow for the sole purpose of world domination. You can see that in his edo tensei. He like to play with others' lives.

Here I will make note of some points.

1. What was so special about Obito that Madara had to reformulate his plans? Someone like Madara would not entrust his will to some random brat. Was it simply because of the Kamui? If he was so interested in his eye only, he could have simply taken it. What was he doing in the cave in the first place? Simply killing time? Was he at all enjoying his pathetic state? It seems he was hellbent on passing down his will to Obito. He hadn't given up hope even after Obito's rejection of his notion.

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Madara himself said that Obito could control the Gedou Mazou even without the Rinnegan itself! And why Madara even bothered to teach Obito Rikudou's jutsu when in the first place Obito didn't have any Rinnegan and moreover had only one eye?

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Did he sense the SO6P's chakra in Obito?(Remember Madara was connected with the Gedou Mazou and the Mazou must have had the sage's chakra signature).

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There was nothing special about Obito, except that he was a loser Uchiha kid that could be easily brainwashed. Madara's Zetsu were monitoring and reporting everything in the battlefield. They clearly saw Obito's argument with Kakashi. My point here is that Madara orchestrated everything from the war to the Obito's madness.

Moreover, the only reason Obito was able to control gedo Mazou was Senju DNA. Madara explained very clearly that it is possible to control it once you have Senju+Uchiha, except that Rinnegan make the control perfect. The only possible chakra in Obito that connected to SO6P is the reconstructed Senju+Uchiha DNA. Initially, he was one of the poorest Uchiha, and this is why he was convenient for Madara to chose him.

Here we can see how the Juubi reacted on sensing the SO6P's chakra in Naruto.


2. In the scan below, what was Obito sensing that even Madara, after coming to the battlefield couldn't?

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See the nine tomaes around Naruto, it's same as the Sage's outfit.

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I think he sensed the Sage inside Naruto and everyone in the Narutoverse is aware of the power of the SO6P. But still Obito brushed the thought aside. Now when such confidence can stem? If he also shares the same power as Naruto.

I think Obito did not sense any sage chakra in Naruto. In fact, Obito was speculating because he couldn't understand anything about what was going on. Naruto just got power or intel from the Bijus and they gave him some intel about his connection to SO6P. The nine Tomoes represent the 9 beasts, not SO6P. So I don't get the Sage chakra thingy. How does Obito know SO6P chakra if he never met him. Nagato had Rinnegan and could do 6 paths techniques. Does it make him have SO6P chakra as well?

I think people are confusing techniques and genetics here. Rikudo is the japanese for six paths. Anyone who have the requirement can learn the technique and perform it just as Madara, Obito and Nagato have done it with Rinnegan.

3.The Sage's way of doing things is very much symbolic. His actions lead me to believe he is the living embodiment of the Yin-Yang. He believed peace can be obtained through mutual understanding,yet he passed down the Uchiha stone tablet. He divided the Juubi's chakra into nine parts and yet left a way to resurrect the Juubi.

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A. In the first scan, we can see that the SO6P told that the complete revival of the Juubi will signal the end of the planet.

B. Yet again, that same person hoped that one day all the Tailed Beasts would be united again. It's interesting to see that the Sage indeed had regret.That's why he said this -

And as the Sage envisioned these two predictions can only become truthful if and only if there are two Juubis viz A refers to the Juubi on the battlefield and B refers to Naruto.

Well, I think I have a problem of understanding. The panel shows clearly the SO6P saying to the Biju to behave differently from when they were inside him. He said also that they will be led to the right path. As you can see, the SO6P is saying that the Biju will be united, but in a different way from the initial Juubi (who was inside him).

Therefore, I don't see where the SO6P predicted that the revival of Juubi will lead to destruction. Here, he is reather preparing them for a revival that will lead to true peace, and Naruto is actually showing this, which gave him the trust of the Bijus. I think the others Juubi is the result of the twisted mind of Obito and Madara. If you recall, Obito even did not want to make it complete. He wanted to have full control of him before it is completed.
They did not want the Juubi itself, only it chakra for their plan.

4. Now lets return to the battle field and view the match-ups. Most likely Madara will be engaged by Hashirama and Tobirama. Now Naruto has shown obvious signs that that he will be the SO6P and will soon get a huge power up. Obviously then Naruto will engage the Juubi and defeat it. Now what remains - Obito vs. the whole battlefield?? Now many of you already know that Kishimoto himself stated in an interview that there will be a special fight in the end. Did it ring any bells?? Also we have seen Obito not using the Rinnegan in it's true potential. All that was known about his capability of using the Rinnegan was the linked eyed vision and his ability of the Gedou Rinne Tensei no jutsu.

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I think he used the Preta path to absorb the Kurama's chakra cloak from Kakashi. Moreover he himself mentioned he can use the Ningendo's technique.

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So basically I think that he is just storing chakra otherwise why has he used it only once in the battle? Something big is about to come! Till now he has not shown his true power. What is he waiting for?

Concerning the battle, I don't know how Kishi will handle it. However, I think there have to be some logic. Kakashi can fail to beat Obito because he is weaker without external source of chakra. However, don't say Obito absorbed Kakashi's chakra. All the alliance lost his chakra when Naruto stopped Juubi's attack, so Kakashi also lost his cloak.

If you have been careful, you should have noticed that Obito is very very very weak compare to edo Madara. Obito is even unable to bind Naruto with Mokuton. He is a half-way mixture of Uchiha and Senju and his power are all half-way even his sharingan is half-way. Obito is good for talking, and he will be dealt with by either Kakashi alone or Sasuke.

I don't know how the whole fight will proceed but I don't believe Obito is the main villain here. He is only a piece in Madara's game that went berserk. The true mastermind is there and

5. Last but not the least, everyone remember the Toad Sage's prophecy?

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Who was this young man with power in his eyes? Looking at the current scenario Obito is the only young man as his opponent. Now if Naruto is the SO6P, then to make the battle even Obito has to be the another reincarnation of the SO6P. And it's basically possible - the clash between the Sage's two wills(Symbolizing the Yin and the Yang). And Madara also stated that Obito was the savior of this world.

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I think Yin-Yang can balance, but Madara has already shown that the Yin-Yang concept is over. Madara has both of them, Yin and Yang, and soon, you will see Naruto having both as well. Obito even already has both Yin and Yang. Besides, this explanation of balance of Yin-Yang should not be taken as a source of true peace. It has shown that it is actually a source of strife as we have seen between Uchiha and Senju. So unless you have both of them in the right person, you cannot achieve peace.

Obito can be the young man, as well as Madara and Sasuke. The fact is that that old toads look like someone who as always been around even in Rikudo's era. So anyone can be a young man in his eyes.

I hope I have explained why Naruto and Obito are two reincarnations of the SO6P.


From what has been seen till now, both(Naruto and Obito) want peace but in different way. Naruto and obito are just two faces of a single coin, each carrying with them a part of the SO6P's will. Now time will tell us which part of the will prevails??

I would like to introduce an interesting picture in this regard which is Kishimoto's self portrait.

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Doesn't this picture remind you of someone?

It seems that you selected only things that make Obito look good. Obito is an anti-hero. He wants peace with a twisted mindset. He has killed many people and keep talking about destroying the shinobi world including everyone. He had lunched massive attacked that would have destroyed everything if Naruto was not around. The least we can say about him is that he is the completely opposite of SO6P.

Well, I think I disagree with most of the points. You did a great gathering of facts, but there are facts that you did not take into account. Obito is too personal to have SO6P ideal.

I remember Obito saying something like: I don't care about this world anymore.

 

[Y3llovv fla5h]

Very good theory, nicely done and put together really well.....took forever to read but still, nice job!!!

 

[VolatileSoul]

Could very well be. He and Naruto are parallels after all.

 

[synkross]

nice theory, i really liked the part about the sage toad's prophecy...the guy with the powerful eyes, definitely Obito since sasuke is now good.

 

[Zayon Uchiha]

yeah im starting to think your right, nice work man!

 

[The Alchemist]

The So6Ps seemed to be like me, someone who embraced his dual nature and saw both the advantages and disadvantages of both paths.

 

[ROSH2]

Orbito vs Naruto will be awsome fight

 

[takiyacrowz]

another good theory bro

 

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

Madara= Older Son
Hashirama= Younger son
Naruto=SO6P
Sasuke= another madara

 

[itachi786]

Very good theory. It can go all the way