Reincarnation or REINCARNATIONS of the SO6P????
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Sorry for my English. Here by "he" i meant Obito. I apologize for the inconvenience.Awesome research and connecting facts which occured in manga =D, but you make one mistake in your theory:
You said that Madara was capable of summoning Juubi shell(Gedo Mazou) without Rinnengan - wrong !
Madara only said that having Senjuu and Uchiha DNA even without Rinnengan allows you to control Gedo Mazou(Juubi shell)
However nowhere he stated that Senjuu DNA and Uchiha DNA are enough to summon Gedo Mazou(Juubi shell)
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Left bottom panel, Madara said that when his span was almost over he awakened Rinnengan
You can say that it doesn't matter to this topic, but I assure you it matter when we look here:
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Two top panels, in first from right side Madara said "At the same time, that also allowed me to break certain seal"
Keyword is At the same time
and in left top panel, Madara continue speaking: "I was able to summon... The empty Shell of The Juubi from The Stone it was sealed into"
In other words Madara was able to summon Gedo Mazou only thanks to Rinnengan.
Obito being capable of controlling Gedo Mazou before Rinnengan:
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This was always beothering me how Obito(Tobi back then) was able to control Gedo Mazou(leading sealing process) without Pein(who was busy attacking Konoha in search for Naruto). Now I understand that Obito had Senjuu and Uchiha DNA already in this panel, that why...
in short:
Rinnengan- ability to summon and control Gedo Mazou
Senjuu and Uchiha DNA in one body - ability only to control Gedo Mazou
So I said well constructed theory with great manga facts to support it, but I don't like this idea personally
I would like for be only one Sage of six paths reincarantion- that Naruto
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Very well done!
This pretty much just tells me Kakashi has no business fighting Obito. That's really a Naruto thing. I know those two have things to "iron out" but I hope that wraps up soon.
For a long while I felt Sasuke represented the eyes of the sage and Naruto the body. That those two would do it together. But looking back, Sasuke doesn't share any real ideals of the sage that I can think of. Obito and Naruto are the ones that legitimately want peace, Sasuke's always been about himself and his clan. Maybe Obito was the one the toad spoke about, it would make quite a bit of sense actually. Great theory!
This pretty much just tells me Kakashi has no business fighting Obito. That's really a Naruto thing. I know those two have things to "iron out" but I hope that wraps up soon.
For a long while I felt Sasuke represented the eyes of the sage and Naruto the body. That those two would do it together. But looking back, Sasuke doesn't share any real ideals of the sage that I can think of. Obito and Naruto are the ones that legitimately want peace, Sasuke's always been about himself and his clan. Maybe Obito was the one the toad spoke about, it would make quite a bit of sense actually. Great theory!
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Hmmmm... Interesting...
Off-topic: I think Obito can't use his Rinnegan techs because he was controlling his Jinchuuriki six paths at one point, remember how Nagato was defenseless against Naruto after he had defeated Deva path Pain? I think he has to turn off the six paths jutsu before he can use them for himself.
Off-topic: I think Obito can't use his Rinnegan techs because he was controlling his Jinchuuriki six paths at one point, remember how Nagato was defenseless against Naruto after he had defeated Deva path Pain? I think he has to turn off the six paths jutsu before he can use them for himself.
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LOl, sorry I typed word wrong too. I meant Obito without Rinnengan wasn't shown able to summon Gedo Mazou
So Madara or Obito, same logic applies to both of them
Rinnengan - being able to summon and control Gedo Mazou
Senjuu and Uchiha DNA in one body - being able to summon only Gedo Mazou
Please edit your thread and correct this mistake to not put someone else believe wrongly that it is true. Instead of saying "Obito was able to summon Gedo mazou without Rinnengan" it should be: "Obito was able to control Gedo Mazou without Rinnengan(but due to Senjuu and Uchiha DNA in one body)"
Do you understand my point now ? =D
Don't worry your english is good enough, not top notch but still good
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Awesome theory. Especially loved the part where you mentioned the 9 tomeo around naruto in the rain. I have to admit, i didn't realise that until now.O_O
Great work mate =D
Great work mate =D
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LOl, sorry I typed word wrong too. I meant Obito without Rinnengan wasn't shown able to summon Gedo Mazou
So Madara or Obito, same logic applies to both of them
Rinnengan - being able to summon and control Gedo Mazou
Senjuu and Uchiha DNA in one body - being able to summon only Gedo Mazou
Please edit your thread and correct this mistake to not put someone else believe wrongly that it is true. Instead of saying "Obito was able to summon Gedo mazou without Rinnengan" it should be: "Obito was able to control Gedo Mazou without Rinnengan(but due to Senjuu and Uchiha DNA in one body)"
Do you understand my point now ? =D
Don't worry your english is good enough, not top notch but still good
Thanks for pointing that out, I have edited it. I really missed that point.
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Makes sense, Obito and Naruto are the next gen Madara and Hashirama, the next reincarnations of the sage's sons where most people think its naruto and sasuke instead, Sasuke is turning back to good and I expect him to end up more like Itachi then Madara.
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I went through this quickly and idk what I think about it. There are a few mistakes and inacuracies but all in all it is well put together although again I would like to see the scans in spoiler tags that way I dont have to search for texts that are sandiwched inbetween pictures.
1) The reason Obito could use Gedo is because all you need is Uchiha and Senju DNA to summon gedo, you dont require Rinnegan. Madara only found out about about Gedo after obtaining Rinnegan and reading the tablet, but the Rinnegan isnt required for summoning the Gedo. For instance Nagato had the Rinnegan but he could not summon the Gedo. Madara could have taken any Uchiha, put some Senju cells inside of them and they would have been able to summon gedo.
2) When you say Madara would not entrust his will to some brat you make it seem like he had all the options in the world. Obito happeneed to be in the right place at the right time and Madara used it to his advantage. After repairing his body Obito was dependant on Spiral Zetsu to be able to move, if Obito had refused Madara's Proposal Madara would have likely killed him and used Black Zetsu to do his bidding. But since Obito was there he used him instead. Obiti really didnt do anything, all he did was put together the Akatsuki, have them hunt the tailed beasts, get Nagato to revive Madara, and thats it.
3) You never explain how the SO6P's chakra could have ended up inside of Obito.
4) You say Obito must have SO6P Chakra since he didnt fall to his knees and throw away his plans after being scared by Naruto? Seems Legit... BTW the change he saw in Naruto was the fact that the other 7 Bijuu had given him part of there chakra thus making him alot stronger. [
5) Obito couldnt use the Preta path because doing so what drain him of too much chakra or even kill him. [
6) Lastly your entire theory rests on 3 assumptions.
The first being that Obito is somehow a part of the SO6P's will, you never explain how or why this is. You make some claims but i have already shown all of them to either be conjecture or non conclusive.
Secondly you make the assumption that Obito has some GRAND power that he is hiding for when Naruto reveals his grand power? What is all the waiting for? He has not only almost died on several occasiions not to mention kakashi could have killed him [
Thirdly you assume that the SO6P comes into play at ALL. I dont think he does, not even in the slightest. He has been refered to throughout the series but I dont think he has any kind of hand or plan in what is going on right now. Clashing of the 2 wills of the SO6P? What two wills? We hardly even know there is a single will and yet now there are 2 will that are apparently clashing.
Conclusion
There is alot that you leave up in the air without answering within your theory and until you confront these issues I cant say I will believe it. Not to mention that I disagreed with the 2 theories coming before this one. This one is definantly the better of the 3 as it seems the most believable, but you still have some leaps and strides to make as far as polishing your ideas.
Personally I think your trying to bite off more than you can chew. The bolder the claim you make the more proof is required to make it believable and in all 3 of your threads you have made rather bold assertions while giving somewhat lack luster reasons to believe them.
1) The reason Obito could use Gedo is because all you need is Uchiha and Senju DNA to summon gedo, you dont require Rinnegan. Madara only found out about about Gedo after obtaining Rinnegan and reading the tablet, but the Rinnegan isnt required for summoning the Gedo. For instance Nagato had the Rinnegan but he could not summon the Gedo. Madara could have taken any Uchiha, put some Senju cells inside of them and they would have been able to summon gedo.
2) When you say Madara would not entrust his will to some brat you make it seem like he had all the options in the world. Obito happeneed to be in the right place at the right time and Madara used it to his advantage. After repairing his body Obito was dependant on Spiral Zetsu to be able to move, if Obito had refused Madara's Proposal Madara would have likely killed him and used Black Zetsu to do his bidding. But since Obito was there he used him instead. Obiti really didnt do anything, all he did was put together the Akatsuki, have them hunt the tailed beasts, get Nagato to revive Madara, and thats it.
3) You never explain how the SO6P's chakra could have ended up inside of Obito.
4) You say Obito must have SO6P Chakra since he didnt fall to his knees and throw away his plans after being scared by Naruto? Seems Legit... BTW the change he saw in Naruto was the fact that the other 7 Bijuu had given him part of there chakra thus making him alot stronger. [
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].5) Obito couldnt use the Preta path because doing so what drain him of too much chakra or even kill him. [
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]. Even further in the battle he takes a tailed beast Rasengan to the face when he could have easily absorbed the jutsu with Preta. [
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]6) Lastly your entire theory rests on 3 assumptions.
The first being that Obito is somehow a part of the SO6P's will, you never explain how or why this is. You make some claims but i have already shown all of them to either be conjecture or non conclusive.
Secondly you make the assumption that Obito has some GRAND power that he is hiding for when Naruto reveals his grand power? What is all the waiting for? He has not only almost died on several occasiions not to mention kakashi could have killed him [
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]. So exactly how many times is he going to risk his life before he reveals this power?Thirdly you assume that the SO6P comes into play at ALL. I dont think he does, not even in the slightest. He has been refered to throughout the series but I dont think he has any kind of hand or plan in what is going on right now. Clashing of the 2 wills of the SO6P? What two wills? We hardly even know there is a single will and yet now there are 2 will that are apparently clashing.
Conclusion
There is alot that you leave up in the air without answering within your theory and until you confront these issues I cant say I will believe it. Not to mention that I disagreed with the 2 theories coming before this one. This one is definantly the better of the 3 as it seems the most believable, but you still have some leaps and strides to make as far as polishing your ideas.
Personally I think your trying to bite off more than you can chew. The bolder the claim you make the more proof is required to make it believable and in all 3 of your threads you have made rather bold assertions while giving somewhat lack luster reasons to believe them.
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cool theory! I don't know if they are persay direct reincarnations of the Sage (kind of hard to have 2 people replace 1 guy with a one person reincarnation); however, I would say that they may be the Yin-Yang inheritence of his will...which was separated into his elder and younger son.
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I think you shouldn't read one's theory that quickly before making a criticism but idk what I think about it. That is, if at all, your counter-arguments are legitimate enough. And before making these posts to counter me, u should actually think of the past.. Remember when I countered you in my first theory, I saw you were blabbering about Orochimaru with some other member. I think you should know your place. Now lets see your points..
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From where did you get the infomation Nagato cannot summon gedo?? See the scan below and let you be enlightened.!
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Do I need to say anything more?
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First of all, WTF was Madara doing in the cave if Black Zetsu could do his bidding ?? Yeah, it might be true Obito presented himself in the right circumstances..And regarding the fact that Obito did nothing at all, plz read the manga first.. It seems you are busy in pointing out flaws with others when you, in the first place have not read the manga properly..It just became apparent by your first argument.
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Well you alone do not seem to get the point..Well, how could you? You are busy to find out my mistakes from the very onset..It seems that you cannot acknowledge any new member who is not an Orochimaru fan.
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No comments.Only one word of advice for you, if you want to comment anything regarding my theory, read it first!!
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Plz, I dont want to talk about this..I dont like to repeat myself..You really are making a fool of yourself..Do I need to provide the scan from my own theory??? You really should read it at least once before making criticism.
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I have proved all your counterarguments to be futile and above all, WRONG from the very beginning. This will also be no exception..To know how or why Obito is somehow a part of SO6P's will, U will have to read my earlier theories in the proper manner.
Man I believe you have read the latest chapter.. Then you may be able to understand that Obito has caught a bad habit
of playing with his food too much!!
I see I have to repeat myself again..U really hadn't read the latest chapter I see..Then you could have got whether the SO6P comes into play or not..May I provide a link??And last but not the least,
Conclusion
Do I need to tell you??
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Well then lets get started. Firstly I want to say that I consider this and all 3 of your theories to be a sham, but I think that goes without saying. But let me tackle each of the arguments you raise in regards to my post which is going to be short as you do very little to reply to what I said other than saying "Didnt you read" "Insert another evasive statement"
1) Ok, sorry i was wrong about Nagato not being able to summon gedo, to be honest that was just a speculation. A speculation that has nothing to do with ANYTHING. You said that Madara wanted Obito because he knew Obito could summon Gedo without the Rinnegan, and I said you dont need to Rinnegan to summon gedo all you need is Uchiha and Senju DNA. And THEN I threw out the who Nagato thing as a SIDE NOTE, in your reply you do nothing to counter what I said rather you go after the SIDE NOTE!!
2) Firstly if you had read the manga you would know that Madara didnt create Black Zetsu up until AFTER he met Obito. Lastly you reply to my statement about "All Obito did" by telling me to read the Manga. This is INCREDIBLY evasive and does nothing to answer my question. And since you could not answer it I will assume you dont have to answer, just because you want to yell and try to demean me doesnt make you right. Talking as though you are superior does not impress me, I am impressed by people who prove to me that they know there stuff, you have not done this.
3) You never answer my question, you dont even try to, rather you bring up some argument I had with someone else about orochimaru as if it means anything. The reason I didnt reply again to your first thread was because it was non sense, this is the same reason I didnt bother replying to your 2nd a 2nd time either. I am only paying you this kindness because I feel if I dont you will only sink further into this charade.
4) I read your theory, all of it, and even went back to read it again, I just forgot to change the first part which I had typed before hand. But again you do nothing to answer my question, all you say is "Read my Theory again." Well i have done so and stick with my question, will you answer it now?
5) You state I am making a fool of myself, anyone who has read your reply will know who here is the fool. If you want to provide evidence of your theory then i believe you would have. But instead of doing so you stick with an almighty persona . I take it that you chose not to prove your case because you cannot.
6) You didnt PROVE anything, I dont understand how you have the audacity to say you did. All you did was talk down to me and tell me to go read this or go read that. I am not interseted in finding your answer for you, contact me when you actually have answers to my questions, until then dont waste my time.
You even say he has a habit of playing with his food? to the point that he would allow his enemy the chance to kill him multiple times?... Im not even going to humor that statement with a response.
This is sort of sad, I would create a debunked thread if I actually thought you were serious, instead I think you are trolling me right now and I refuse to feed trolls. Perhaps you have let all the comments telling you "Good job" and "Nice theory" go to your head. I would like to point you to a thread created by someone else that was incredibly inaccurate [
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] and although it was wrong it too got ALOT of comments saying "Good job" and "Nice thread". It is my thought that most of the people on this site dont really follow the manga as much as they should. Granted me and AfricanProd are on good terms, but his thread was wrong. Lastly I am debating whether or not to even check up on your reply, if you even bother to make one, because I really am not interested in it. It would be like me arguing with a kid, I get nothing from it and it only serves to waste my time, debating people i do not respect seems pointless to me. Ill tell you what, ill check up for your reply and if the starts off well I will read the whole thing, if it doesnt I wont even bother reading it not to mention replying to it.
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