Preta Path > Kamui, Space time barrier

[Waltz]

That is true but You forgot about Space time barrier beinng formed by Kamui beforehand. Barrier need chakra to be maintained so sorry but until barrier will be needed to be casted on limited area I will still keep saying Preta Path can nullify it in time if it was activated before being warped away.

Now Kishimoto didn't say Kamui > Preta Path, besides Databook and Manga scans lean more towards my statement.

Genjutsu also needs Chakra to be maintained yet it is something Gakido cannot absorb. ​

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[Bronze]

Kamui is not a Chakra based attack. Its in fact, a dimensional portal which is actual physical thing and not Chakra.

Regardless of your effort, its all wrong due to your poor interpretation.

 

[chintu234]

Well But Preta Path is not defence in litteral meaning of it. It also does not counter Kamui it just drain chakra needed for Kamui to be maintained and that is difference. The only Bolded part you brought is true... but that only if you believe Preta Path JUST ABSORB CHAKRA as I thought earlier.

Now I think it not just absorb your chakra but ALSO REVERSE CHAKRA FLOW IN CHAKRA BASED ATTACK or in body's of opponent make it almost impossible to mold your chakra.



It does not prove anything as Kakashi never tried to use Kamui on Preta Path.
Obito also did not use Preta Path as well... so it does not hold any meaning nor importance.



Of course he didn't , but the manga facts and databook scans more lean towards Preta Path > Kamui then otherwise.

Well but it was dispersed as Naruto clone was forced to cancel transformation technique and turns back into clone, so yes it was effective. Now if Preta Path would catch him then he would be drained of chakra, simple as that.

for preta path to reverse the chakra flow he has to touch or be in a physical contact with the user
and btw kamui isnt chakra it is summoned or maintained by chakra
so it cannot be absorbed if it was possible preta path should have absorbed jiraya/naruto's frog summons as they also are chakra summons not itself chakra
kamui is the same thing but instead of summoning a creature it bends the space and time it isnt chakra

 

[KCMNaruto]

Sorry but NO.

You can't absorb "Jikukan Ninjutsu or Jikukan Kekkei." Heck I remember people saying Preta > Mokuton and in the manga Hashirama's Wooden Dragon completely rendered Preta Useless U_U

Preta also can't absorb the Hiraishin marking as well since it never disappears U_U

1. Mokuton > Preta
2. Jikukan Ninjutsu, Jikukan Kekkei, Hiraishin Marking > Preta
3. Senjutsu > Preta
4. Kamui >> Preta
5. Physical attack, weapons > Preta
6. Genjutsu > Preta

Well, well the biggest Kamui fapboy visited my thread and even replied in it, what a honor. Ok after having greeting behind us, let me debunk you interesting arguments.

so you are refferring to this scan:

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, yes ?

Interesting fact is that Hashirama didn't state Preta Path will not work any more but is rendered useless, but why you would ask.
Simple even although Preta Path still works and could absorbs full chakra from wood release dragon then make it disperse, it CAN NOT because Dragon will keep sucking on Madara's chakra making sure that it never disappear but at the same Madara will never run out of chakra as well because he will suck his chakra back from dragon. It is just stalemate with only restricted movements being result.

I never said Preta Path could absorb marking itself... but the chakra infused in these marking allowing them to work as anchors for Minato to pick up where to teleport. Now let me fix your list

1. Mokuton with ability to absorb chakra = Preta
2. Jikukan Ninjutsu, Jikukan Kekkei, Hiraishin Marking < Preta
3. Senjutsu > Preta
4. Kamui < Preta
5. Physical attack, weapons > Preta - Of course as until the chakra is not involved Preta is useless.
6. Genjutsu > Preta - well yes but Preta is created to reneder Ninjtusu useless sucking chakra from them... genjutsu is another matter.

I lol at these replies, so let's all agree that Kamui>sage of six paths. The rinnegan is no match to it's dilluted shoot off, because according to logic that makes sense. Sigh.

Haha, yeah so many haters or butthurts, who goes here to deny the truth, so sad.

You have no idea about Kamui's Real Potential. Its called the God's Authority

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Kamui is nothing in front of the Juubi, Gedo Mazo! Sage of the sixth paths would never fall to Kamui

fixed for you , you don't need to thanks me. Jokes asides.

Onmyoudon says hi
Preta Path says Hi
Coat says hi
Mastery over yin-yang release says hi
Sage of six paths being able to use any technique says hi
Rinnegan's full power(which Kishi emphasize with big meaning) says hi

Conclusion:

SOSP > kamui
Onmyouon > kamui
COAT > Kamui
Yin-yang release > Kamui
Rinnegan's full power/potential > Kamui
Rinnegan > Sharingan/MS/EMS

Well Kishi once said Rinnegan is supreme doujutsu and I doubt he forgot about it. The rinnegan time is finally truly comming... let's see who will laugh the last

Kamui is not a Chakra based attack. Its in fact, a dimensional portal which is actual physical thing and not Chakra.

Regardless of your effort, its all wrong due to your poor interpretation.

Sorry but forcing your opinion on me without bringing anything from the manga or databook to back it up bring you nowhere as I am not afraid of you.

Hahah Kamui being dimenssional portal literally... what a bullshit. I never heard better joke then this.

Please re-read scan about Kamui in Third Databook then Kakashi vs Deidara fight where Kakashi first used Kamui and revealed MS.

Pretending to act smart will not impress me, sorry I am waiting for manga scans or scans from databook to back up your claims

Otherwise you give up and accept my theory

 

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Kamui - KCM Naruto 4-0

 

[KCMNaruto]

for preta path to reverse the chakra flow he has to touch or be in a physical contact with the user
and btw kamui isnt chakra it is summoned or maintained by chakra
so it cannot be absorbed if it was possible preta path should have absorbed jiraya/naruto's frog summons as they also are chakra summons not itself chakra
kamui is the same thing but instead of summoning a creature it bends the space and time it isnt chakra

Well it could be true and that is nice example your brought here. However I am sure you confuse what I am meaning and what you means.

Actually Kamui technique as whole is Space time barrier casted/placed on limited area blocking possibility of espacing for target with centre of the barrier being point in the space at which Kamui user focus/lock his eyes on. Now in The centre of the barrier opens up black hole(physcial, no chakra-object) which drawn anything in range of barrier inside it.

You most likely mean Black hole itself which warp space time, if yes then I agree it can not be absorbed.

However the Space time barrier casted/placed on limited area must be filled with chakra to maintain black hole opened as the barrier shrink in size closing while dragging everything with itself into it's centre where black hole is. If that the case then yes chakra can be absorbed from space time barrier itself.

It is just up to you if you believe Space time barrier is casted/placed or it is just swirling motion showing how black hole drawn target inside. I was not sure myself until I re-read Kakashi revealing MS and first use of Kamui against Deidara.

Please re-read it before arguing with me further , Thanks for cooperation and understatement

Kamui - KCM Naruto 0-2

1) Databook is on KCMNaruto member's side
2) The manga scan from Kakashi's first use of Kamui proves KCMNaruto's member right.

Fixed for you ,

and thank you, you don't need to be such nice and cool. The obvious is obvious so please do not bother too hard.

 

[Bronze]

Sorry but forcing your opinion on me without bringing anything from the manga or databook to back it up bring you nowhere as I am not afraid of you.

Hahah Kamui being dimenssional portal literally... what a bullshit. I never heard better joke then this.

Please re-read scan about Kamui in Third Databook then Kakashi vs Deidara fight where Kakashi first used Kamui and revealed MS.

Pretending to act smart will not impress me, sorry I am waiting for manga scans or scans from databook to back up your claims

Otherwise you give up and accept my theory

I don't think you understand the Manga here. So i might have to be a little bit rude as i educate your thick head.

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]. Shino's bugs Chakra absorption works similar to Preta Path. He stated he through the bugs, he can absorb Chakra. Now, your point of the thread, is Preta path could absorb Kamui, well as i have shown the scan of Shino's bugs failing to absorb Kamui. That shits on your f@cking thread.

Another scan shits on this dumb thread, is the one where Preta Pain absorbs trying to absorb ''Naruto's'' FRS, its revealed it was transformation which Preta could not absorb. From that, its concluded Preta cannot absorb actual physical things. Get that through your thick head. As Waltz also said, Genjutsu does not get absorbed. Not to mention Databook and Manga both says nothing defends against Kamui which is what you are using.

Next time, don't make dumb threads because people will humiliate you and what a shitty theorist you are.

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[KCMNaruto]

I don't think you understand the Manga here. So i might have to be a little bit rude as i educate your thick head.

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]. Shino's bugs Chakra absorption works similar to Preta Path. He stated he through the bugs, he can absorb Chakra. Now, your point of the thread, is Preta path could absorb Kamui, well as i have shown the scan of Shino's bugs failing to absorb Kamui. That shits on your f@cking thread.

Another scan shits on this dumb thread, is the one where Preta Pain absorbs trying to absorb ''Naruto's'' FRS, its revealed it was transformation which Preta could not absorb. From that, its concluded Preta cannot absorb actual physical things. Get that through your thick head. As Waltz also said, Genjutsu does not get absorbed. Not to mention Databook and Manga both says nothing defends against Kamui which is what you are using.

Next time, don't make dumb threads because people will humiliate you and what a shitty theorist you are.

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Please do not threaten me, because I am as good theorist as you or even better , so let's spare yourself trouble to educate me on that.

Actually Shino bugs confirms my theory even further. Shino was able to drain chakra from Obito until second when he disappears and we know from Obito battle against Konan that Obito's Kamui himself is not instant.

The conclusion is simple Obito had to activate Kamui(placing/enveloping himself in Space time barrier with his eye acting as black hole in centre of the barrier) when shino's bugs STILL WERE FEEDING UP ON OBITO'S chakra. However shino bugs CAN NOT REVERSE FLOW OF CHAKRA in Technique nor in other's body so OBITO could maintain Kamui technique by pushing more chakra into it so Kamui would still be done and He escaped.

Now it is my turn to educate you about something and I try to be polite. Get it through your thick head that

1) Preta Path > Shino's bugs
2) Preta Path != Shino's bugs
3) Preta Path absorb much faster bigger amount of chakra then shino bugs smaller amount of chakra in longer time.
4) Preta paths reverse chakra flow in technique or user's body while Shino's bugs do not.

I agree with second example you brought here. However Kamui is made of Space time barrier placed on limited area with black hole being it's centre. While Black hole can not be absorbed as it's physical object... the barrier around it can. The problem is Kamui requires that Barrier to be maintained for Kamui to work because by shrinking and closing the barrier force everything to being sucked into that black hole. The black hole itself does NOT SUCK YOU, THE BARRIER DOES.

Now please re-read my thread more carefully then Kakashi's first use of Kamui in the manga then come back and we can talk.
For now You are blind ignorant and keep speaking the same without even listeining/reading other's side arguments.

Ah, and if you want me to be rude just say, but I am sure it will accomplish nothing as we only get infractions or even bans by insulting each others. Please stay on topic and try to refrain from using insults or cursing, instead bring the manga scan and databook where it contradict my statements.

 

[Bronze]

Please do not threaten me, because I am as good theorist as you or even better , so let's spare yourself trouble to educate me on that.

Actually Shino bugs confirms my theory even further. Shino was able to drain chakra from Obito until second when he disappears and we know from Obito battle against Konan that Obito's Kamui himself is not instead.

The conclusion is simple Obito had to activate Kamui(placing/enveloping himself in Space time barrier with his eye acting as black hole in centre of the barrier) when shino's bugs STILL WERE FEEDING UP ON OBITO'S chakra. However shino bugs CAN NOT REVERSE FLOW OF CHAKRA in Technique nor in other's body so OBITO could maintain Kamui technique by pushing more chakra into it so Kamui would still be done and He escaped.

Now it is my turn to educate you about something and I try to be polite. Get it through your thick head that

1) Preta Path > Shino's bugs
2) Preta Path != Shino's bugs
3) Preta Path absorb much faster bigger amount of chakra then shino bugs smaller amount of chakra in longer time.
4) Preta paths reverse chakra flow in technique or user's body while Shino's bugs do not.

I agree with second example you brought here. However Kamui is made of Space time barrier placed on limited area with black hole being it's centre. While Black hole can not be absorbed as it's physical object... the barrier around it can. The problem is Kamui requires that Barrier to be maintained for Kamui to work because by shrinking and closing the barrier force everything to being sucked into that black hole. The black hole itself does NOT SUCK YOU, THE BARRIER DOES.

Now please re-read my thread more carefully then Kakashi's first use of Kamui in the manga then come back and we can talk.
For now You are blind ignorant and keep speaking the same without even listeining/reading other's side arguments.

Ah, and if you want me to be rude just say, but I am sure it will accomplish nothing as we only get infractions or even bans by insulting each others. Please stay on topic and try to refrain from using insults or cursing, instead bring the manga scan and databook where it contradict my statements.

The bold is where i rest my case. Oh, i also would like a scan of Databook or Manga stating Preta Path absorption > Shino's bugs, otherwise it would be fanfictionSince Shino's bugs failed to absorb Kamui, then Preta Path will fail as well.

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[Oblivionx]

kamui> preta path...! if kamui can be absorbed then i can prove that genjutsu can be as well...! genjutsu is casted on user by chakra manipulation in opponent obviously using your own chakra...! now preta should be able to absorb opponents chakra cancelling the genjutsu but it can't...! same is the case with kamui...! 1st preta can't touch anything when being sucked so touching opponent is out of question...! 2nd if preta can absorb opponent's chakra that is keeping the portal open then same is case with genjutsu...!
the thing is for preta to absorb anything it has to touch it...! and while being sucked into kamui dimention you don't touch anything...! you just walk through the door and enter another room....! so preta is useless against kamui...
also hirashin markings cannot be absorbed as obito had both rinnegan and jubi and still couldn't pull it off....!

 

[Oblivionx]

kamui> preta path...! if kamui can be absorbed then i can prove that genjutsu can be as well...! genjutsu is casted on user by chakra manipulation in opponent obviously using your own chakra...! now preta should be able to absorb opponents chakra cancelling the genjutsu but it can't...! same is the case with kamui...! 1st preta can't touch anything when being sucked so touching opponent is out of question...! 2nd if preta can absorb opponent's chakra that is keeping the portal open then same is case with genjutsu...!
the thing is for preta to absorb anything it has to touch it...! and while being sucked into kamui dimention you don't touch anything...! you just walk through the door and enter another room....! so preta is useless against kamui...
also hirashin markings cannot be absorbed as obito had both rinnegan and jubi and still couldn't pull it off....!

 

[Waltz]

KCMNaruto, The center of Kamui cannot be a Black hole as it doesn't function as one; that is, to completely disintegrate any material bypassing it's event Horizon. If it was, anything warped into the center would experience an effect similar to Jinton however, on lesser quantum scales. ​

 

[KCMNaruto]

The bold is where i rest my case. Oh, i also would like a scan of Databook or Manga stating Preta Path absorption > Shino's bugs, otherwise it would be fanfictionSince Shino's bugs failed to absorb Kamui, then Preta Path will fail as well.

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I mean instant* not instead word. Well sadly you have point here... but on another side

Look at it:

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^^ Shino's father states something that his bugs can NOT handle Naruto in Nine tails chakra mode. These bugs look the same as shino's bugs to me.

Yet:

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^^ Nagato was able to absorb chakra from the Rasengan used by Nine tails chakra mode Naruto. It is the best example I can get sadly, but it would be enough to states: Preta Path's absorption > Shino bugs's absorption

Well maybe I am not such bad as you think in debating

kamui> preta path...! if kamui can be absorbed then i can prove that genjutsu can be as well...! genjutsu is casted on user by chakra manipulation in opponent obviously using your own chakra...! now preta should be able to absorb opponents chakra cancelling the genjutsu but it can't...! same is the case with kamui...! 1st preta can't touch anything when being sucked so touching opponent is out of question...! 2nd if preta can absorb opponent's chakra that is keeping the portal open then same is case with genjutsu...!
the thing is for preta to absorb anything it has to touch it...! and while being sucked into kamui dimention you don't touch anything...! you just walk through the door and enter another room....! so preta is useless against kamui...
also hirashin markings cannot be absorbed as obito had both rinnegan and jubi and still couldn't pull it off....!

First, Calm down man

Second, you are wrong. The Genjutsu case is special case as Rinnegan user first need to realizes that he is under genjutsu casted on him. With Kamui he has easier as he can see he is attacked and he see from where this attack came.
Genjutsu manipulates your own chakra flow in your body NOT insert anything in You !
instead Kamui envelopes you with space time barrier which need to chakra to be maintained. If chakra get drained from space time barrier fast enough then barrier get canceled so Kamui does.

KCMNaruto, The center of Kamui cannot be a Black hole as it doesn't function as one; that is, to completely disintegrate any material bypassing it's event Horizon. If it was, anything warped into the center would experience an effect similar to Jinton however, on lesser quantum scales. ​

Well... please do not bring science here as it is fictional world.

Anyway I respect your opinion

 

[Senju Bean]

Long-Range Kamui is created from the transmition of chakra to the target, therefore Preta Path stops it.

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[Waltz]

You vaguely make such a biased claim after moaning about a a black-hole being the center of Kamui? If you refuse to see science's

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as highlighted many times in the manga, then you may continue to dwell in ignorance. ​

 

[KCMNaruto]

Long-Range Kamui is created from the transmition of chakra to the target, therefore Preta Path stops it.

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True

You vaguely make such a biased claim after moaning about a a black-hole being the center of Kamui? If you refuse to see science's

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as highlighted many times in the manga, then you may continue to dwell in ignorance. ​

Well sorry if I sounded rude... I just meant that I was applying science to many things in the manga to later be disappointed by Kishi proving something worked otherwise which from science point of view seemed stupid and illogical.

 

[vasu 32]

Hello guys, After I read some threads I found interesting scan from databook about Preta Path. It actually changed my point of view at how Preta Path really works and how it really haxxed is. There is big possibility now for Preta Path to counter Kamui, Space time barrier. Here I go:

Preta Path's scan in Third Databook:

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^^ Notice key words: "This jutsu causes the body's chakra circulation to flow in reverse, sucking away the jutsu of the target"

Take carefully glance about bolded part... What could it mean ?

It means Pain can technically use Black Origin Threshold [ The Breaker fans will know what I mean,lol]
Note- Chakra,Ki and Chi all refers to same thing,only different language and culture leads to different words.

OT- Kamui solos

 

[Flawž]

This idiot keeps posting the same thread over again? Posting it multiple times wont make it any good if your theory is loosely based on something that is incorrect.

Kamui is projected by Chakra but kamui it self isn't made of chakra. It's a warmhole open from this world to the other.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

even when kishi shows how kamui is easily defeated obito fans will deny it at all costs

 

[KCMNaruto]

This idiot keeps posting the same thread over again? Posting it multiple times wont make it any good if your theory is loosely based on something that is incorrect.

Kamui is projected by Chakra but kamui it self isn't made of chakra. It's a warmhole open from this world to the other.

Sorry but calling himself idiot you will not change my mind or the manga itself.

Red colored part makes me laugh, really you are idot who keeps posting the same reply without even re-reading fight against Deidara as I asked.
Underlined part, you keep posting your bullshit opinion which I don't care.

Blude colored part is again just your stupid assumption sucked with your ass. Databook and the manga states completly otherwise.

BRING ME ONE SCAN WHERE KAMUI IS CALLED WORMHOLE, I dare you ...

If you can, then shut up and stop pretending to be smart because you are not growing in my eyes.

i completely agree and came to a decision on that nagato can counter kamui with mid difficulty...obit's kamui can't one shot nagato

Yes this is right.