Preta Path > Kamui, Space time barrier

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys, After I read some threads I found interesting scan from databook about Preta Path. It actually changed my point of view at how Preta Path really works and how it really haxxed is. There is big possibility now for Preta Path to counter Kamui, Space time barrier. Here I go:

Preta Path's scan in Third Databook:

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^^ Notice key words: "This jutsu causes the body's chakra circulation to flow in reverse, sucking away the jutsu of the target"

Take carefully glance about bolded part... What could it mean ?

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^^ Yes I bring old scan of Jirayia explaining Naruto about direction of chakra flow on purpouse. "The rotation's direction is either right or left, so each person is different. " "The chakra flow will be disrupted when it is not in the harmony with rotation."

You know where I am leading with it, I hope so. It is just that one person can only have chakra flowing in right or left direction inside his/her body. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FOR CHAKRA TO FLOW IN BOTH DIRECTIONS or CHANGING DIRECTION OF WHICH CHAKRA FLOW. Do you get now my point ?

Comming back to this statement: "This jutsu causes the body's chakra circulation to flow in reverse, it could mean that NOT ONLY Preta Path suck chakra from chakra-based attack or directly from the person, BUT also DISRUPT chakra's flow in opponent body or in technique itself changing it's direction MAKE it IMPOSSIBLE for ENEMY TO MANTAIN HIS TECHNIQUE WHILE ATTACKING or trying to mold more chakra to pull another attack if Preta Path comes in direct contact with it.

Information regardless how Kamui work:

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Space time barrier:

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^^ As the name of technique itself suggest, it is technique using Space time barrier to transport anything to other location pinpointed by Minato's chakra. Every barrier is made of chakra so it can be absorbed by Preta Path and while it Minato can not counter attack if Preta Path is in direct contact with him.

For examples:

If kakashi uses long-range Kamui On Rinnegan user who activates Preta path then Preta Path DOES NOT NEED TO WORRY ABOUT ABSORBING IN TIME as the moment PRETA PATH BEGIN TO ABSORB every technique will get canceled or dispersed as maintaining it is impossible.

If Obito try to suck Rinnegan user with close-range Kamui then Rinnegan user by activating Preta Path not just SUCK HIS CHAKRA but also MAKE HIM UNABLE TO MAINTAIN KAMUI WORKING or MOLD ANY MORE CHAKRA.

CONCLUSION : PRETA PATH ABSORBS CHAKRA, MAKE YOU UNABLE TO MAINTAIN YOUR TECHNIQUE if is used from distance or MAKE YOU UNABLE TO MOLD YOUR CHAKRA if it is used in direct contact. That why it RENDER ALL TECHNIQUES USELESS AGAINST IT.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The reverse circulation refers to the fact that using a jutsu expels chakra from the body of the user, but Preta brings chakra into the body of the user. You're misinterpreting what the databook said.

 

[Lan Fan]

That's the fourth exact same thread from you for the last 2 days ..

 

[KCMNaruto]

The reverse circulation refers to the fact that using a jutsu expels chakra from the body of the user, but Preta brings chakra into the body of the user. You're misinterpreting what the databook said.

Well... it doesn't make sense. Instead when you look at Scan where Preta Path was absorbing chakra from Jirayia's big Rasengan it proves otherwise. It shows swirling motion in opposite direction as Rasengan swirls so it support my interpretation more.

but thanks for feedback, I want to read more people's responds to see if someone see it as me or rather as you

 

[D R E X]

So , what of it ?
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[Frikid]

Dr.proof once made a thread on the subject and i debunked it, might want to read that thread .

 

[KCMNaruto]

Dr.proof once made a thread on the subject and i debunked it, might want to read that thread .

ok, give me link I would like to read it

 

[Lamb]

I agree, also it is important to note that it sucks anything made of chakra regardless of the properties, so wehter it be advanced kekai tota or a space time jutsu, as long as it is chakra, it will be absorbed.

 

[KCMNaruto]

I agree, also it is important to note that it sucks anything made of chakra regardless of the properties, so wehter it be advanced kekai tota or a space time jutsu, as long as it is chakra, it will be absorbed.

Thanks but I know that fact for long time actually. The new feat could be that Preta Path reverse direction of your chakra flow inside your body make you unable to mold more chakra. Same with reverse direction of chakra flow inside techniques used on Preta Path... techniques get cancelend right away and rendered useless.

 

[foxyladyland]

well since you moved your thread XD lol

Itachi vs Tobi

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I always thought in that panel where kakashi is getting sucked into kamui that if it happened to Itachi could activate susano'o instantly and strike or push Obito back and stop kamui .
Or repel Obito & disrupt kamui while his MS is on by activating Susano'o as protection while getting kamui'd to stop it.
Depending on the distance possibly.

 

[BlacLord™]

Instead of expelling chakra, the Preta user is reversing their chakra flow back into the central chamber sucking in any chakra from the absorbed ninjutsu.

And thus far, it's only be able to suck in what is made out of chakra and since Kamui is only maintained by chakra and not chakra itself, it cannot be absorbed.

 

[KCMNaruto]

well since you moved your thread XD lol

Itachi vs Tobi


I always thought in that panel where kakashi is getting sucked into kamui that if it happened to Itachi could activate susano'o instantly and strike or push Obito back and stop kamui .
Or repel Obito & disrupt kamui while his MS is on by activating Susano'o as protection while getting kamui'd to stop it.
Depending on the distance possibly.

Could be, but Sussano's activation is not instant and I am afraid Obito can faster switch between absorbing you while being solid to be intangible after canceling absorbing then Itachi can pull out Sussano in time to attack.

Well but this is possible outcome as Obito has to be solid to absorb... but it would be up who can react faster and who's technique can finish opponent faster... sadly I think Kamui would be too fast and suck Itachi inside.

Instead of expelling chakra, the Preta user is reversing their chakra flow back into the central chamber sucking in any chakra from the absorbed ninjutsu.

And thus far, it's only be able to suck in what is made out of chakra and since Kamui is only maintained by chakra and not chakra itself, it cannot be absorbed.

You don't make any sense at all with bolded part. Preta Path still need chakra to be expeled outside of user body for Preta Path to absorb it... so I don't see your point. Reversing chakra flow could be only used in case of reversing direction at which chakra flows inside your body so comming back to my statement in this thread.

Bolded part in the bottom is wrong. DO you know even what the Kamui is ?

It is space time barrier placed around the target with centre of it being black hole towards which everything will get drawn inside withing range of space time barrier placed on limited area. Databook and the manga are on my sides, also every barrier used until now was using chakra to be maintained so if that chakra got absorbed from the barrier then kamui get canceled as the barrier disappear in thin air.

My opinion backed up with manga and databook > Your opinion

Try again

 

[foxyladyland]

Could be, but Sussano's activation is not instant and I am afraid Obito can faster switch between absorbing you while being solid to be intangible after canceling absorbing then Itachi can pull out Sussano in time to attack.

Well but this is possible outcome as Obito has to be solid to absorb... but it would be up who can react faster and who's technique can finish opponent faster... sadly I think Kamui would be too fast and suck Itachi inside.

well Susano'o activation (itachi's) is pretty close to *instant* as when he used it to avoid being killed by kirin .
it activated as if it was too fast to be seen when kirin made contact or right before. :]

 

[Black Wolf]

Stop acting like it is an undeniable fact - it is a theory, maybe even a plausible one, but not proven.

You have no manga scans showing with the two techniques interacting. You only have two hyperbolic databook statements that ironically conflict each other if you take each one to heart.

 

[BlacLord™]

You don't make any sense at all with bolded part. Preta Path still need chakra to be expeled outside of user body for Preta Path to absorb it... so I don't see your point. Reversing chakra flow could be only used in case of reversing direction at which chakra flows inside your body so comming back to my statement in this thread.

Bolded part in the bottom is wrong. DO you know even what the Kamui is ?

It is space time barrier placed around the target with centre of it being black hole towards which everything will get drawn inside withing range of space time barrier placed on limited area. Databook and the manga are on my sides, also every barrier used until now was using chakra to be maintained so if that chakra got absorbed from the barrier then kamui get canceled as the barrier disappear in thin air.

My opinion backed up with manga and databook > Your opinion

Try again

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Kamui itself is physical, it's not the same as Jikukan Kekkei, which is closer to a Fuinjutsu.

I never thought I'd need to explain this to anyone as this has been obvious to most since Day 1:

There are two distinct types of ninjutsu.

One is chakra based (e.g. Rasengan, Katon etc) and the other is chakra controlled/maintained (Kamui, Summons etc)

In other words, the former is composed of chakra and the latter is activated and maintained by chakra but the objects themselves are "physical", for the lack of a better word.

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He can't absorb anything with a physical base.

This is common sense, and common sense > Your opinion.

 

[KCMNaruto]

well Susano'o activation (itachi's) is pretty close to *instant* as when he used it to avoid being killed by kirin .
it activated as if it was too fast to be seen when kirin made contact or right before. :]

so maybe it would work, depends if it could be manifested in time before he would get drawn inside.

 

[Waltz]

Your theory has two flaws:

#1: Failure to recognize Preta's no limit Fallacy

#2: Failure to have a rudimentary conceptualization of the mechanics of a "projected" Kamui.

Chakra can be controlled and manipulated to create an effect that would not be possible otherwise. Kamui is a Douryoku fueled by chakra; another example is Genjutsu. Kamui is a curvature of Space and Time, rivaling a hypothetical wormhole; in that, it warps space and time around the desired target and transfers them----to another dimension. It isn't chakra being projected or a body yielding chakra to be absorbed as the example thus far seen in the Manga: Preta absorbing Ninjutsu and Preta absorbing chakra chakra from the body. If a Rin'negan user is faced with Kamui it more than likely that hey would be warped away.

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[KCMNaruto]

Stop acting like it is an undeniable fact - it is a theory, maybe even a plausible one, but not proven.

You have no manga scans showing with the two techniques interacting. You only have two hyperbolic databook statements that ironically conflict each other if you take each one to heart.

So what ? at least my theory is backed up with manga scans and databook scans.

Haters goona hate

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Kamui itself is physical, it's not the same as Jikukan Kekkei, which is closer to a Fuinjutsu.

I never thought I'd need to explain this to anyone as this has been obvious to most since Day 1:

There are two distinct types of ninjutsu.

One is chakra based (e.g. Rasengan, Katon etc) and the other is chakra controlled/maintained (Kamui, Summons etc).

In other words, the former is composed of chakra and the latter is activated and maintained by chakra but the objects themselves are "physical", for the lack of a better word.

This is common sense, and common sense > Your opinion.

Hahah, so you actually want me to believe that it is remotely controlled over distance with not chakra present in Kamui itself...

Sorry but it doesn't make sense. The barrier need chakra and Kamui uses Space time barrier, this is clear as day that chakra absorbed from space barrier = end of Kamui.

Kishi's statement through manga/databook > Your common sense.

Actually blowing fire out of your mouth or some black hole appearing from nowhere is according to you common fact maybe ?

Please it is Kishi's fictional world where he can changes rules he applied to his universe when he only wants.

So far Databook/Manga support me more then you, so Databook/Manga > You

Sorry but I am not afraid of you, please try again

Your theory has two flaws:

#1: Failure to recognize Preta's no limit Fallacy

#2: Failure to have a rudimentary conceptualization of the mechanics of a "projected" Kamui.

Chakra can be controlled and manipulated to create an effect that would not be possible otherwise. Kamui is a Douryoku fueled by chakra; another example is Genjutsu. Kamui is a curvature of Space and Time, rivaling a hypothetical wormhole; in that, it warps space and time around the desired target and transfers them----to another dimension. It isn't chakra being projected or a body yielding chakra to be absorbed as the example thus far seen in the Manga: Preta absorbing Ninjutsu and Preta absorbing chakra chakra from the body. If a Rin'negan user is faced with Kamui it more than likely that hey would be warped away.

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That is true but You forgot about Space time barrier beinng formed by Kamui beforehand. Barrier need chakra to be maintained so sorry but until barrier will be needed to be casted on limited area I will still keep saying Preta Path can nullify it in time if it was activated before being warped away.

 

[miromiro]

Yes I agree. Preta Path can indeed counter Kamui. Good theory, hope more people will start realizing it.

 

[Black Wolf]

So what ? at least my theory is backed up with manga scans and databook scans.

Haters goona hate

Not hating at all.

Just stating that you lose credibility when trying to impose your opinion/theory upon people as if it is an undeniable fact.