Pre War, Kumogakure must have been the Strongest Village

[arv993]

1. Obito and Rin had the Chunin rank when that team was involved.

2. Jiraiya only got involved because the village was under attack. Just before he left for Ame in P2, Jiraiya basically said he was done as a soldier because Tsunade had no official authority over him. Jiraiya either stated or implied on multiple occasions outside of his involvement in Orochimaru's invasion that he is simply affiliated with Konoha, not a part of its official military.

who said anything about who would win? All i pointed out were official information that said Kumo's military was stronger. I never said anything of the sort that was meant to be taken as a "Kumo would wipe the floor with Konoha" statement U_U

Ie SA. In life he was bound to his secret therefore doesn't count as military strength to the Leaf

In a skirmish, they proved equal. Not in a fight of course. At all.

@walkofshadows

oh yes they just became chunnin, but yes j-man wan't apart of the military so yea my main point was that there are external factors.

and two your second point makes me realize there is no point in this discussion as we are on the same page.

@unbiased one

again he worked for SA and his affilation is hidden leaf he even makes a clear point of that

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you can't get any more clear than that.

thats not equal tho naruto wasn't trying and neither was sakura.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

@walkofshadows

oh yes they just became chunnin, but yes j-man wan't apart of the military so yea my main point was that there are external factors.

and two your second point makes me realize there is no point in this discussion as we are on the same page.

@unbiased one

again he worked for SA and his affilation is hidden leaf he even makes a clear point of that

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you can't get any more clear than that.

thats not equal tho naruto wasn't trying and neither was sakura.

Sakura got kicked across the forest. Karui was taking Sai and naruto

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Kumi wins those sage tools screw over all man

 

[lanakui8]

Konoha had like 7 people who could fight at the kage level before the war:
- Naruto
- Kakashi
- Gai
- Tsunade
- Danzou
- Butterfly mode chouji
- Butterfly mode chouza
- Hiashi

Factor in the K12, Shikaku/shikamaru's military mind, the gama trio, ma and pa and all the powerful clans they have in their village, and I think they would have defeated Kumo if both went to war.

 

[ARGUS]

before the war, kumo is the strongest,

--if we take the pain invasion into account, and if we give pein the killing intent,
then even having hebi sasuke would make zero difference,
Pein would destroy konoha, and with deva not on a cool down and with killin intent, naruto is dying,,

--kumo on the other hand can use A to stall the paths along with Cee and Darui, whilst bee goes full hachibi and proceeds to nuke the lot off the planet,, not to mention that 8-tails whirlwind is a great counter to Preta

--in iwa only onoki is a threat, whose entire arseanl iis negated by preta,, and mist and suna are just a joke

 

[lanakui8]

before the war, kumo is the strongest,

--if we take the pain invasion into account, and if we give pein the killing intent,
then even having hebi sasuke would make zero difference,
Pein would destroy konoha, and with deva not on a cool down and with killin intent, naruto is dying,,

--kumo on the other hand can use A to stall the paths along with Cee and Darui, whilst bee goes full hachibi and proceeds to nuke the lot off the planet,, not to mention that 8-tails whirlwind is a great counter to Preta

--in iwa only onoki is a threat, whose entire arseanl iis negated by preta,, and mist and suna are just a joke

that's kind of an unfair analysis.

SM NAruto wasn't even there when pain was fighting everyone. Chouji and Chouza were restricted by plot from using their trump cards despite the situation heavily calling for it. Hiashi was no where to be seen. Danzou wanted pain to destroy the village and withheld all the members of root from helping. Gai was out of town, and Tsunade's total efforts were put into protecting the village.

If konoha's entire military strength was against pain, they would have handily defeated pain as well.

 

[ARGUS]

that's kind of an unfair analysis.

SM NAruto wasn't even there when pain was fighting everyone. Chouji and Chouza were restricted by plot from using their trump cards despite the situation heavily calling for it. Hiashi was no where to be seen. Danzou wanted pain to destroy the village and withheld all the members of root from helping. Gai was out of town, and Tsunade's total efforts were put into protecting the village.

If konoha's entire military strength was against pain, they would have handily defeated pain as well.

he wasnt there thats why im explaining through that,
since i think this thread is supposed to be about each villages position relative to konoha,
as naruto and team guy werent present during the invasion, thats all
the only additional thing that was added was hebi sasuke, and well he doesnt do much thats all

as for ur argument,, i agree with what you said,
konoha at full would defeat Pein, especially since they had full intel, and katsuyu healing, and other kage level nins

 

[johnny335704]

Before Pain's invasion, Konaha was the strongest village. Just after Pain's invasion, Konaha became second strongest to Kumogakure.

Before 4th Ninja world war, I think Kumogakure was the strongest village because Konoha was still investing efforts to overcome destruction done by Pain i.e. rebuilding Hokage Mansion, people's houses, market shops & ninja academy etc.

 

[grizzlyshree]

Konoha is the strongest village as per manga. i still dont know why people are debating this.

Konoha's military powers were gone since Pein's attack and hence it became 2nd to Kumo

 

[TRE MERCER]

L0l no the only people from the cloud that would have been relevant would have been Bee and Ei.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

Before Pain's invasion, Konaha was the strongest village. Just after Pain's invasion, Konaha became second strongest to Kumogakure.

Before 4th Ninja world war, I think Kumogakure was the strongest village because Konoha was still investing efforts to overcome destruction done by Pain i.e. rebuilding Hokage Mansion, people's houses, market shops & ninja academy etc.

Pretty much. Had war broken out, Konoha would've crumbled and I mean a ninja village war not this bs excuse of a war

 

[arv993]

before the war, kumo is the strongest,

--if we take the pain invasion into account, and if we give pein the killing intent,
then even having hebi sasuke would make zero difference,
Pein would destroy konoha, and with deva not on a cool down and with killin intent, naruto is dying,,

--kumo on the other hand can use A to stall the paths along with Cee and Darui, whilst bee goes full hachibi and proceeds to nuke the lot off the planet,, not to mention that 8-tails whirlwind is a great counter to Preta

--in iwa only onoki is a threat, whose entire arseanl iis negated by preta,, and mist and suna are just a joke

tell me how konoha can lose with guy. everone does realize his 8 gates would solo pain right. even with 7 gates he would have been so useful but he was out on a mission.

ppl underrate guy even at 7th gate his movements are inhuman and it surprised juubi jin madara

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[arv993]

Sakura got kicked across the forest. Karui was taking Sai and naruto

sakura was caught off guard simple she didnt even try to fight later.

stop arguing over semantics the main point is that if an all out war broke out pre-4th war konoha would win due to powerhouses like i mentioned in my previous discussions. and they have a fail safe like Guy.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

before the war, kumo is the strongest,

--if we take the pain invasion into account, and if we give pein the killing intent,
then even having hebi sasuke would make zero difference,
Pein would destroy konoha, and with deva not on a cool down and with killin intent, naruto is dying,,

--kumo on the other hand can use A to stall the paths along with Cee and Darui, whilst bee goes full hachibi and proceeds to nuke the lot off the planet,, not to mention that 8-tails whirlwind is a great counter to Preta

--in iwa only onoki is a threat, whose entire arseanl iis negated by preta,, and mist and suna are just a joke

Thank you for understanding the premise, but I disagree that Sasuke wouldn't help. Nagato intended to kill Kakashi and everyone else except Naruto. If Hebi Joined Kakashi and the Akimichi's, they would've defeated Asura easily and may have defeated Deva.
Sm naruto Vs MS Sasuke > Deva.

If you still disagree, what would you say if he took Hebi with him.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

sakura was caught off guard simple she didnt even try to fight later.

stop arguing over semantics the main point is that if an all out war broke out pre-4th war konoha would win due to powerhouses like i mentioned in my previous discussions. and they have a fail safe like Guy.

Bee and Ay solo Konoha. Their threats back then would've been Iwa and Suna, due to Onōkis family and the sand siblings respectively.