Pre War, Kumogakure must have been the Strongest Village

[arv993]

the skill of the entire military of a village is what those rankings were done by U_U
over the course of time, they basically lost 2 of those 3 as active soldiers. Tsunade returned, but Jiraiya acted as more of an unofficial spy for Konoha than an active soldier.

military is mainly jonin and chunin. they don't count people like j-man, naruto who is a genin yet he is the hero who saved the village. military strength is overall quality of the avg ninja in each nation. if u see anything in this war as a proof the elites gets things done the fodders are only good enough to fight zetsus

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

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Been... It was taken down twice. All Bee would've needed to do back then was spin their tails. He was speaking of how the leaf didn't face many threats because they were a strong village which they are. Kumo was just more so and even more fortified. It's like if you nuke America. We're still the strongest in the world as of now but if Japan and Korea attack, our military strength would go down as well as economic strength.

 

[arv993]

Without Sasuke and Itachi, who have no allegiance, war would be a lost cause war would be a lost cause. Without Bee and Ay, Naruto would be dead and the five Kage would be dead. Without Darui the battle on the beach would've been lost and the entire tide of the war would've been turned. Without Ay, all other kage would've been killed by Sasuke, and this war would be unbeatable and without Bee, Naruto wouldn't have made it to KCM. That's already 60 percent

itachi is not allied to konoha are u kidding me. is that a joke, he is the most loyal to his village even says at the end he is always itachi of the leaf he was always helping konoha and ended kabuto and edo tensei. what in the beach, most of the work was done by K11 with kakazu, holding back the gedo mazo, asuma taking care of edos. darui did help with kin and gin so he wasn't useless.

naruto got kcm thanks to bee yes but he was 10x more useful than bee. i could use the same logic to u if hashirama wasn't nice and dindt give bijus away konoha would be ruling the world and bee woudn't even exist. what happened can't be changed naruto has kcm then got BM and became the strongest of the SA.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

I know? That's exactly what I said. They do quantity over quality. Konoha could literally have team 7 and Gai as their military team and they would wreck all the villages.

Not quantity over quality. The if you pit Omoi (fodder with a name) against any other villages fodder, who will win? The average Kumo ninja is more powerful than any other villages, after the uchiha clan massacre. Previous to that fodder with 3t> Fodder

 

[arv993]

Been... It was taken down twice. All Bee would've needed to do back then was spin their tails. He was speaking of how the leaf didn't face many threats because they were a strong village which they are. Kumo was just more so and even more fortified. It's like if you nuke America. We're still the strongest in the world as of now but if Japan and Korea attack, our military strength would go down as well as economic strength.

it was taken down by the strongest ppl on the show who were once part of konoha. kumo never got attacked on a similar. and konoha still came out victorious.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

itachi is not allied to konoha are u kidding me. is that a joke, he is the most loyal to his village even says at the end he is always itachi of the leaf he was always helping konoha and ended kabuto and edo tensei. what in the beach, most of the work was done by K11 with kakazu, holding back the gedo mazo, asuma taking care of edos. darui did help with kin and gin so he wasn't useless.

naruto got kcm thanks to bee yes but he was 10x more useful than bee. i could use the same logic to u if hashirama wasn't nice and dindt give bijus away konoha would be ruling the world and bee woudn't even exist. what happened can't be changed naruto has kcm then got BM and became the strongest of the SA.

Yes but if an all out war broke out, Itachi wouldn't be fighting for the leaf so he doesn't count as Konoha. Is Sasuke currently a citizen of the leaf? No, so why should Itachi be counted as one?

 

[arv993]

Not quantity over quality. The if you pit Omoi (fodder with a name) against any other villages fodder, who will win? The average Kumo ninja is more powerful than any other villages, after the uchiha clan massacre. Previous to that fodder with 3t> Fodder

what no way lol what r u on. fodder hyuga> regular fodder. these are ppl from omoi's age group who is better than him from konoha,

choji, lee , neji , sakura, shikamaru, shino, kiba. and technically naruto is in that age too along with sasuke

 

[arv993]

Yes but if an all out war broke out, Itachi wouldn't be fighting for the leaf so he doesn't count as Konpha. Is Sasuke currently a citizen of the leaf? No so why should Itachi be counted as one?

so ur saying the village itachi killed his whole clan for would simply watch invaders attack it??? haha no i'm being realistic here. he did everything for konoha he works in the dark to protect his ppl he is easily one of the most pro-konoha ppl on this show. sasuke listened to him and allied with him so techinically he was fighting for SA at that moment. and later chose to ally with them anyway.

 

[WalksInShadows]

military is mainly jonin and chunin. they don't count people like j-man, naruto who is a genin yet he is the hero who saved the village. military strength is overall quality of the avg ninja in each nation. if u see anything in this war as a proof the elites gets things done the fodders are only good enough to fight zetsus

when someone earns their forehead protector, they are seen as being part of the military, simple as that. Genin won't participate in a war, but the fact that they are given missions like every other rank supports that. The rank of Genin in and of itself says they are military.

 

[Blackdeath667]

danzo wit KA tho

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

it was taken down by the strongest ppl on the show who were once part of konoha. kumo never got attacked on a similar. and konoha still came out victorious.

Nagano is Not from the leaf. Orochimaru is not a leaf nin technically and Kumo was attacked by gin and kin, Sasuke Uchiha(twice), and somehow the Akatsuki got Yugito. They aren't just overlooked.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

so ur saying the village itachi killed his whole clan for would simply watch invaders attack it??? haha no i'm being realistic here. he did everything for konoha he works in the dark to protect his ppl he is easily one of the most pro-konoha ppl on this show. sasuke listened to him and allied with him so techinically he was fighting for SA at that moment. and later chose to ally with them anyway.

What was he doing when Orochimaru and Pain were attacking? Sitting back and fighting Sasuke respectively.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

what no way lol what r u on. fodder hyuga> regular fodder. these are ppl from omoi's age group who is better than him from konoha,

choji, lee , neji , sakura, shikamaru, shino, kiba. and technically naruto is in that age too along with sasuke

That's like saying sunagakure is stronger than Konoha because Gaara is high Kage level. In addition, Omoi already blitzed pre war Sakura and his team equally took on team 7 without their leader Mabui. Omoi is basically a nerfed hebi Sasuke. He also isn't the standard for Kumo ninja. Wasn't that rubber guy kumo? Lack of panel time isnt lack of power.


The people you listed don't fit the definition of fodder.

 

[arv993]

when someone earns their forehead protector, they are seen as being part of the military, simple as that. Genin won't participate in a war, but the fact that they are given missions like every other rank supports that. The rank of Genin in and of itself says they are military.

they're not part of war unless its dire as you saw in the 3rd war beacuse konoha was low on military strength thats when they sent out genin like obito. second ppl like j-man still fights for the village as he did against orochimaru and is not always at the village. he doest do any missions unless he wants to for himself same with tsunade until she became hokage.

like i said military strength doesn't mean an auto win. its usually the elites that make the difference as minato did for konoha, naruto in the current war.

 

[arv993]

That's like saying sunagakure is stronger than Konoha because Gaara is high Kage level

What was he doing when Orochimaru and Pain were attacking? Sitting back and fighting Sasuke respectively.

nope u used omoi as an example i just mentioned 10 other ppl of the same rank and age who can beat him simple. its not hard to understand

he was dead by pains fight, 2nd orochimaru attack wasn't a war but an invasion and konoha whooped the sound and the sand itachi doesn't fight cuz he is in akatsuki and a spy but is stil loyal to konoha. but ur argument saying he is not faithful to konoha and in an all out war like in 4th war he did help SA ie konoha.

 

[arv993]

Nagano is Not from the leaf. Orochimaru is not a leaf nin technically and Kumo was attacked by gin and kin, Sasuke Uchiha(twice), and somehow the Akatsuki got Yugito. They aren't just overlooked.

orochimaru is from the leaf. nagato is a by product and tool of uchiha obito and Madara who gave him his eyes. sasuke wasn't attacking the village but capturing a biju big difference. yugito again is not an invasion its just capturing. they had to send an all out force to capture naruto pain is strong enough to destroy any village with chou shinra tensei. And might i remind u that konoha came out winning not losing after the invasions.

 

[arv993]

That's like saying sunagakure is stronger than Konoha because Gaara is high Kage level. In addition, Omoi already blitzed pre war Sakura and his team equally took on team 7 without their leader Mabui. Omoi is basically a nerfed hebi Sasuke. He also isn't the standard for Kumo ninja. Wasn't that rubber guy kumo? Lack of panel time isnt lack of power.


The people you listed don't fit the definition of fodder.

gaara is one example, team 7 wasn't fighting them big dfference and naruto let hmself get hit. he just beat pain u think he couldn't beat those two u must be kidding if u thought they were on par.

i named 8 ppl from k11 who are better than omoi, they aren't fodders but aren't elites. u said omoi> fodder so i gave a counterexample with his counterparts from leaf

lack of feats is lack of power. rubber guy is part f kumo but he is equal to choza(choji's dad)

 

[WalksInShadows]

they're not part of war unless its dire as you saw in the 3rd war beacuse konoha was low on military strength thats when they sent out genin like obito. second ppl like j-man still fights for the village as he did against orochimaru and is not always at the village. he doest do any missions unless he wants to for himself same with tsunade until she became hokage.

1. Obito and Rin had the Chunin rank when that team was involved.

2. Jiraiya only got involved because the village was under attack. Just before he left for Ame in P2, Jiraiya basically said he was done as a soldier because Tsunade had no official authority over him. Jiraiya either stated or implied on multiple occasions outside of his involvement in Orochimaru's invasion that he is simply affiliated with Konoha, not a part of its official military.

like i said military strength doesn't mean an auto win. its usually the elites that make the difference as minato did for konoha, naruto in the current war.

who said anything about who would win? All i pointed out were official information that said Kumo's military was stronger. I never said anything of the sort that was meant to be taken as a "Kumo would wipe the floor with Konoha" statement U_U

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

nope u used omoi as an example i just mentioned 10 other ppl of the same rank and age who can beat him simple. its not hard to understand

he was dead by pains fight, 2nd orochimaru attack wasn't a war but an invasion and konoha whooped the sound and the sand itachi doesn't fight cuz he is in akatsuki and a spy but is stil loyal to konoha. but ur argument saying he is not faithful to konoha and in an all out war like in 4th war he did help SA ie konoha.

Ie SA. In life he was bound to his secret therefore doesn't count as military strength to the Leaf

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

gaara is one example, team 7 wasn't fighting them big dfference and naruto let hmself get hit. he just beat pain u think he couldn't beat those two u must be kidding if u thought they were on par.

i named 8 ppl from k11 who are better than omoi, they aren't fodders but aren't elites. u said omoi> fodder so i gave a counterexample with his counterparts from leaf

lack of feats is lack of power. rubber guy is part f kumo but he is equal to choza(choji's dad)

In a skirmish, they proved equal. Not in a fight of course. At all.