Pre War, Kumogakure must have been the Strongest Village

[arv993]

Obviously Konoha is currently he strongest, I was just reviewing the Pain invasion, when I started thinking, what if it was another village?
I came to this conclusion

• Iwagakure: The only thing that would've saved Iwagakure is dust release, which, due to the nature of the invasion would have to be used several times and Onōki doesn't have chakra feats of that magnitude. Civilian death total would top konoha's if Pain was ever stopped.
  
  
• Kirigakure: Nothing about the mist suggests it can withstand even Orochimaru's invasion. We haven't seen the village as a whole, but from what we've seen and heard, the landscape and the ninja wouldn't be able to prevent Pain from destroying it. Sorry, but Deva is the perfect counter to every mist ninja. Animal Path and Deva would walk away from this. Debatably Asura and Human.
  
  
• Sunagakure: After thinking awhile, Gaara and his siblings, with the rest of the Sand fodder couldn't keep up. Gaara's massive jutsu scale would help a great deal and protect the village for a while, and Temari would support, while Kankuro and other jonin fodder would protect the civilians. We've seen their fuuton users who look like Part one temari clones, but with due time, the sand siblings would be overwhelmed and killed.
  
  
• Kumogakure: They prevent any major destruction. Cee shows average healing skills, and as long as they have medic teams, which is probably a village standard, Bee's Team of swordsman can escort the civilians to a safe place, Darui and Ay can take out Human and Asura respectively, and then Ay can take the Naraka path and Support Bee to overwhelm the powerful paths. They do this with minor casualties.
  
  
• Bonus Scenario: Hebi Sasuke is in the village to help, and he is in Konoha at the start of the invasion: I think this changes a lot. If he is present before the Deva Path kills Kakashi, they can take him and prevent CST. If this happens, Naruto might not be needed.

If you disagree please choose a scenario and counter it.

Pls guy, Kakashi, naruto and tsunade together are too much. Even pre war guy has 7 gates which has been said to be inhuman speed and if it's life or death he has 8 gates. what can C, Darui do against Kakashi. Even pre war and naruto b4 KCm they were too good mainly with guy as a backup there's no way they will lose an all out battle.

 

[arv993]

As a collective force, Kumo is the strongest.
Says something about Konoha if they have to rely on a select few to back their military for but...

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You must not have seen that one time Konoha came to Kumo and got demolished

That's why they helped so much in this war against obito and kabuto oh wait they died like fodders.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

Pls guy, Kakashi, naruto and tsunade together are too much. Even pre war guy has 7 gates which has been said to be inhuman speed and if it's life or death he has 8 gates. what can C, Darui do against Kakashi. Even pre war and naruto b4 KCm they were too good mainly with guy as a backup there's no way they will lose an all out battle.

Say hi to Bee and Ay. Darui has shown to be more than capable of keeping up with ninja like Pre-War Kakashi and Gai, who had only shown 6 gates.

 

[arv993]

Say hi to Bee and Ay. Darui has shown to be more than capable of keeping up with ninja like Pre-War Kakashi and Gai, who had only shown 6 gates.

darui with kakashi is a joke kamui een once or twice is dagerous he doesn't stand a chance. kakashi has always been better he is a famous ninja with sharingan which makes opponents who are not fast like darui a joke. kamui seals the deal for him. kakashi t just his base is good enough to take ms obito in his dimension and beat him, and his genjutsu was par with him as well in that duel. kakashi is too good for darui.

WHat has bee even done he is not a fearsome ninja he has not been useful at the war nearly as he should have. Guy always had 7 and 8 gates. and even with 6 gates him and kakashi were holding off the bijus in their smaller states. Ay is the real problem but if u think naruto with all his summons loses to him in a heartbeat ur watching the wrong show. ma and pa can use sound genjutsu to beat him and with no info its possible for them to hit him. Add to it that tsunade can always be healing a
lot of konoha. konoha won't lose. worst comes to worst gai can go 8 gates and solo kumo by himself.

and add to it kumo doen't have clans as good as hyugas. we've seen all theyve got they are not impressive most of the work was done by naruto, sasuke and K11 when they sealed a few edos in the war. even pre war kumo won't win,

 

[WalksInShadows]

not only do the DBs disagree with the ppl saying it was Konoha, but canon does as well:

DB​

Kumo - 4/5 stars in military strength

Konoha - 3/5 stars in military strength

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This, along with the Uchiha being extinct, both invasions, Iwa also having 4/5 stars in military strength, Ei being able to demand a Kage Summit, and Onoki's statement about Iwa's endeavors in keeping up with Kumo pretty much says Kumo was at the top of the totem pole at that point in time. In fact, the DB says Kiri equaled Konoha's military strength back then.

 

[DMT]

10,000 Iwagakure shinobi were able to kill the strongest shinobi in kumo

imagine what would any Tsuchikage do to any Raikage, a massacre

 

[Migster257]

As a collective force, Kumo is the strongest.
Says something about Konoha if they have to rely on a select few to back their military for but...

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Says something about other villages if they have to rely on everyone to back everyone up.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

not only do the DBs disagree with the ppl saying it was Konoha, but canon does as well:

DB​

Kumo - 4/5 stars in military strength

Konoha - 3/5 stars in military strength

Canon

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This, along with the Uchiha being extinct, both invasions, Iwa also having 4/5 stars in military strength, Ei being able to demand a Kage Summit, and Onoki's statement about Iwa's endeavors in keeping up with Kumo pretty much says Kumo was at the top of the totem pole at that point in time. In fact, the DB says Kiri equaled Konoha's military strength before the war.

In actuality, I think the military strength of Konoha has been in decline since Orochimaru's invasion which did kill a lot of shinobi that didn't get revived. As of current, the only thing that is putting them above is their host of legendary ninja like Team 7.
Kill team 7 and Kumo and Iwa can destroy the village.

 

[arv993]

not only do the DBs disagree with the ppl saying it was Konoha, but canon does as well:

DB​

Kumo - 4/5 stars in military strength

Konoha - 3/5 stars in military strength

Canon

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This, along with the Uchiha being extinct, both invasions, Iwa also having 4/5 stars in military strength, Ei being able to demand a Kage Summit, and Onoki's statement about Iwa's endeavors in keeping up with Kumo pretty much says Kumo was at the top of the totem pole at that point in time. In fact, the DB says Kiri equaled Konoha's military strength back then.

konoha was weak in the 3rd war against iwagakure yet just with minato they beat them back and made a truce. so mlitary power doesn't equal win otherwise konoha would have lost in that scan u posted from the third war. kumo always wanted the byakugan, the kyuubi on more than one instance and got humiliated by minato. if they were so good they wouldn't need it and second they won't lose those battles.

what did all that military power do in this war..... nothing naruto did 90% K11 did some work too but the other nations were lackluster. kishi clearly didn't portray kumo to be overwhelmingly strong. DB's aren't 100% reliable as there other factors in war. it also says amaterasu is as hot as the sun and exaggerates and says u need amaterasu and tsuki to get susano. Manga is best source go based on that.

 

[arv993]

In actuality, I think the military strength of Konoha has been in decline since Orochimaru's invasion which did kill a lot of shinobi that didn't get revived. As of current, the only thing that is putting them above is their host of legendary ninja like Team 7.
Kill team 7 and Kumo and Iwa can destroy the village.

no wrong again tell me what they can do against 8 gates guy, and orochimaru with edos. naruto and sasuke can sit back and watch edo hokages and guy kill any village.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

10,000 Iwagakure shinobi were able to kill the strongest shinobi in kumo

imagine what would any Tsuchikage do to any Raikage, a massacre

The entire village has an environmental advantage to Iwa. It took 10,000 shinobi to kill a raikage due to exhaustion. Onōki doesn't have the skillset to protect his village without causing casualties.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

no wrong again tell me what they can do against 8 gates guy, and orochimaru with edos. naruto and sasuke can sit back and watch edo hokages and guy kill any village.

Orochimaru isn't with Konoha and PRE WAR PEOPLE! Post war, obviously they murk, as expected from the main village.

 

[WalksInShadows]

10,000 Iwagakure shinobi were able to kill the strongest shinobi in kumo

imagine what would any Tsuchikage do to any Raikage, a massacre

the Raikage's cause of death was exhaustion, not being killed

 

[God of War]

Didn't Konoha still have 3 Sannins Pre War?

LEL I totally forgot that you mean THIS war that's now happening in Naruto, sorry

 

[Gamaken]

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[arv993]

Orochimaru isn't with Konoha and PRE WAR PEOPLE! Post war, obviously they murk, as expected from the main village.

u said without main characters in post war in that scenario so i gave an answer. and danzo was pre war he can make any person from kumo to kill his comrades.

Danzo, naruto sm, tsunade, guy, kakashi is too much for kumo.

 

[Migster257]

not only do the DBs disagree with the ppl saying it was Konoha, but canon does as well:

DB​

Kumo - 4/5 stars in military strength

Konoha - 3/5 stars in military strength

Canon

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This, along with the Uchiha being extinct, both invasions, Iwa also having 4/5 stars in military strength, Ei being able to demand a Kage Summit, and Onoki's statement about Iwa's endeavors in keeping up with Kumo pretty much says Kumo was at the top of the totem pole at that point in time. In fact, the DB says Kiri equaled Konoha's military strength back then.

That's different. They go by the skill of the entire military than a select few even though those select few can solo their entire village.

 

[WalksInShadows]

That's different. They go by the skill of the entire military than a select few even though those select few can solo their entire village.

the skill of the entire military of a village is what those rankings were calculated by U_U

Didn't Konoha still have 3 Sannins Pre War?

over the course of time, they basically lost 2 of those 3 as active soldiers. Tsunade returned, but Jiraiya acted as more of an unofficial spy for Konoha than an active soldier.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

konoha was weak in the 3rd war against iwagakure yet just with minato they beat them back and made a truce. so mlitary power doesn't equal win otherwise konoha would have lost in that scan u posted from the third war. kumo always wanted the byakugan, the kyuubi on more than one instance and got humiliated by minato. if they were so good they wouldn't need it and second they won't lose those battles.

what did all that military power do in this war..... nothing naruto did 90% K11 did some work too but the other nations were lackluster. kishi clearly didn't portray kumo to be overwhelmingly strong. DB's aren't 100% reliable as there other factors in war. it also says amaterasu is as hot as the sun and exaggerates and says u need amaterasu and tsuki to get susano. Manga is best source go based on that.

Without Sasuke and Itachi, who have no allegiance, war would be a lost cause war would be a lost cause. Without Bee and Ay, Naruto would be dead and the five Kage would be dead. Without Darui the battle on the beach would've been lost and the entire tide of the war would've been turned. Without Ay, all other kage would've been killed by Sasuke, and this war would be unbeatable and without Bee, Naruto wouldn't have made it to KCM. That's already 60 percent

 

[Migster257]

the skill of the entire military of a village is what those rankings were calculated by U_U
over the course of time, they basically lost 2 of those 3 as active soldiers. Tsunade returned, but Jiraiya acted as more of an unofficial spy for Konoha than an active soldier.

I know? That's exactly what I said. They do quantity over quality. Konoha could literally have team 7 and Gai as their military team and they would wreck all the villages.