People don't understand Hashiramas power

[EliteKakashi]

This^. Not only that, but madara and minato weren't even alive in the same time frame. And hiruzen was also a child-preteen(not even close to his legendary prime) when madara faught/lost against hashi. Harashima was the only ninja during madaras life who stopped him back then, that's why he always says that hashi is the only ninja that could stop him. Prime hiruzen/ Minato > EMS Madara. People are so simple minded its crazy.

That statement is just as incorrect as any other made so far.

We have no clue what Hiruzen could do in his prime. In his old age he showed 2 b-rank techniques and Enma, none of the 3 which would even touch Madara. Minato has only shown the rasengan as an offensive technique. Him using FTG isn't going to do anything to Sussano.

The only chance from what those 2 have shown is if they use Shiki Fuujin, and that's if they can get to Madara inside of Sussano.

While it's possible both Hiruzen in his prime and Minato would be capable if we knew everything about them, we don't know that, and therefor that statement is false.

 

[Great Sage of Uchiha]

This underestimation to Hashirama makes me wonder, are you reading the Manga i do?

In versus threads with nagato ppl are claiming that nagato beats him and say hashirama is overrated. overrated? really? where is your head people?

those who say that hashirama is overated, just cant understand what kind of power this man had.

• Kabuto said that no one could reach Hashiramas level anymore
• Madara by himself said twice that only Hashirama could stop him
• Dan said, that only Hashirama could stop Madara
• Kabuto called him a fairy tale like the sage of the six paths and everyone agrees with this fact
  
  
  
  

This man was a god, he soloed EMS madara with the complete kyuubi, ppl are dont understand the power of this man but saying hes overrated and a piece of shit like nagato could beat him.

go and find your head people, Hashirama is a god.

if you disagree, counter Madaras own words, counter Kabutos own words who has the most knowledge, counter dans words.

cant believe how much trolls here are.

and do you know why hashirama can do this? because madaras STRONGEST technique, the perfect susanoo, which is more powerful than any rinnegan tech, got owned by hashirama together with kyuubi.

and his mokuton is NOTHING compared to hashiramas, he was the god who used the mokuton and destroyed kurama with the perfect susanoo.

and he had medical skills that are give a shit on tsunades.

never, NEVER call someone like nagato or someone else stronger than hashirama, because NARUTOS AUTHOR called him stronger.

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I argeed with you til you said that hashirma owned perfect susanoo and destroyed kurama.

1. There is no proof he ever fought Perfect susanoo or any of madara's susanoos for that matter.
2. Madara never stated that Hashirama could even beat perfect susanoo, he only stated that Hashirama could match his power.
3. Hashirama didn't destroy kurama he release him from madara's control.

 

[Naruto king of Shinobi]

That statement is just as incorrect as any other made so far.

We have no clue what Hiruzen could do in his prime. In his old age he showed 2 b-rank techniques and Enma, none of the 3 which would even touch Madara. Minato has only shown the rasengan as an offensive technique. Him using FTG isn't going to do anything to Sussano.

The only chance from what those 2 have shown is if they use Shiki Fuujin, and that's if they can get to Madara inside of Sussano.

While it's possible both Hiruzen in his prime and Minato would be capable if we knew everything about them, we don't know that, and therefor that statement is false.

It literally said that hiruzen was the strongest hokage in konohas history. Yes, it has shown him fight as an old man(give him a break). And minato could handle the susanoo. Not because he was powerful enough to stop it necessarily, but his natural speed + FTG would make him untouchable by the susanoos powerful attacks. Not only that but if minato can use space-time jutsu to defend against/negate the kyuubis TBB, and then transport the kyuubi outside of konoha entirely, then I'm sure he could give a susanoo some trouble. Minatos intellect is also probably the highest of all kages considering how fast he excelled and his analytical nature. He could have a space time seal on madara without madara even realizing it. I'm not saying minato and hiruzen would 100% guaranteed defeat madara every time, but they COULD win. A common pattern for the show is every generation surpassing the last, unless you missed that?

 

[Naruto king of Shinobi]

That statement is just as incorrect as any other made so far.

We have no clue what Hiruzen could do in his prime

Who's "we"? Clueless people obviously. You have never seen what hashi or hiruzen could do in their prime. Yet, you're going off of what people said in the manga about hashi's power, but you are choosing to ignore what villagers of konoha said about hiruzen being the most powerful hokage(it stated that in the manga too in case you missed it). So basically you just sound like a misled hashi fanboy.

 

[monkeyking7]

and this does what exactly people are going to troll about it no matter what facts you show or give them evidence mostly its just to piss people off

 

[EliteKakashi]

It literally said that hiruzen was the strongest hokage in konohas history. Yes, it has shown him fight as an old man(give him a break). And minato could handle the susanoo. Not because he was powerful enough to stop it necessarily, but his natural speed + FTG would make him untouchable by the susanoos powerful attacks. Not only that but if minato can use space-time jutsu to defend against/negate the kyuubis TBB, and then transport the kyuubi outside of konoha entirely, then I'm sure he could give a susanoo some trouble. Minatos intellect is also probably the highest of all kages considering how fast he excelled and his analytical nature. He could have a space time seal on madara without madara even realizing it. I'm not saying minato and hiruzen would 100% guaranteed defeat madara every time, but they COULD win. A common pattern for the show is every generation surpassing the last, unless you missed that?

Hiruzen being the strongest Hokage doesn't mean he could beat EMS Madara. Matchups aren't A>B>C>D>E>F>G. Gai matches up extremely well vs Kisame, but does that make him higher on a "power list" than Kisame? No. Does that mean everyone who can beat Gai can beat Kisame? No.

Take Hashirama vs Kurama and Hiruzen vs Kurama for example. You believe that Hiruzen is the strongest hokage ever. That's fine. But Hashirama handled Kurama with ease and could control him. Hiruzen, while capable of fighting him off, had no way of actually defeating him. So going off of that, does that mean Hashirama > Hiruzen? Not necessarily. It just means Hashirama is much more suited to fight Kurama.

So what if Minato couldn't be touched by Susanoo? All Madara has to worry about is avoiding his rasengan and there's nothing Minato can do to him, and staying in sussano allows him to do that. Minato using space/time ninjutsu to teleport a TBB and Kurama has nothing to do with him fighting susanoo. Minato having high level techniques doesn't mean he automatically has something to combat susanoo.

And I laugh so hard at the "this generation surpasses the last". There's been nothing shown to support that claim, it's been nothing but a featless statement thus far.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Who's "we"? Clueless people obviously. You have never seen what hashi or hiruzen could do in their prime. Yet, you're going off of what people said in the manga about hashi's power, but you are choosing to ignore what villagers of konoha said about hiruzen being the most powerful hokage(it stated that in the manga too in case you missed it). So basically you just sound like a misled hashi fanboy.

Who of any note was defeated by Hiruzen in his prime? Name just one....yep. Can't name one because no one has been shown or stated to have been defeated by him.

It's fact that Hashirama defeated an EMS user who had the kyuubi to assist him. We may not know much about the fight, but we do know that occurred, so no, I don't just have to go off of a statement. He has a feat.

And Hashi fanboy? LOLOLOLOLOLOL

I defend Hiruzen more than any other character in this manga.

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[Naruto king of Shinobi]

Who of any note was defeated by Hiruzen in his prime? Name just one....yep. Can't name one because no one has been shown or stated to have been defeated by him.

It's fact that Hashirama defeated an EMS user who had the kyuubi to assist him. We may not know much about the fight, but we do know that occurred, so no, I don't just have to go off of a statement. He has a feat.

And Hashi fanboy? LOLOLOLOLOLOL

I defend Hiruzen more than any other character in this manga.

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Did you forget the part where I said "COULD"?

 

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As far as we know Hashi never saw perfect susanoo.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Did you forget the part where I said "COULD"?

Nope

But I also noticed where you said:

Prime hiruzen/ Minato > EMS Madara. People are so simple minded its crazy.

Which you not only posted a false statement you also looked exactly like what you accused others of being.

 

[Naruto king of Shinobi]

Nope

But I also noticed where you said:



Which you not only posted a false statement you also looked exactly like what you accused others of being.

And yet you have no proof of my "false statement" being false, nor do you have proof that madara > 3rd and 4th. The 4th could cut off madaras head before the susanoo even finished stabilizing. Minato is not some reckless shinobi, he could find a way.

 

[EliteKakashi]

And yet you have no proof of my "false statement" being false, nor do you have proof that madara > 3rd and 4th. The 4th could cut off madaras head before the susanoo even finished stabilizing. Minato is not some reckless shinobi, he could find a way.

I never claimed that Madara > 3rd and 4th hokage. I simply stated there is no where near enough information on either of the hokages to state they > Madara. Which is fact. Which makes your statement false.

First off, lol @ "Minato could just cut off Madara's head". And on top of that, you go on to state "Minato isn't some reckless shinobi". Contradiction at it's finest.

Secondly, it doesn't need to be fully stabilized to protect the user. It protected Itachi from Kirin without being fully stabilized. And Minato is fast and skilled and all, but a kunai isn't stronger than kirin, regardless of who is wielding that kunai.

 

[AngryRock]

yes kabuto said that there arent ninjas on hashiramas level anymore, not nagato, not tobi, thats it. madaras own words were that only hashirama can stomp him when using his strongest attack, the perfect susanoo.

what kind of reputation has nagato? oooh he was the third sage of the six paths..a piece of shit he was who got his legs burned by hanzo the salamanda and destroyed his own body with gedo mazo. a fool.

never put him with hashirama in one league again, never.

Don't forget he got sealed by Itachi...a person with only MS.

 

[Naruto king of Shinobi]

I never claimed that Madara > 3rd and 4th hokage. I simply stated there is no where near enough information on either of the hokages to state they > Madara. Which is fact. Which makes your statement false.

First off, lol @ "Minato could just cut off Madara's head". And on top of that, you go on to state "Minato isn't some reckless shinobi". Contradiction at it's finest.

Secondly, it doesn't need to be fully stabilized to protect the user. It protected Itachi from Kirin without being fully stabilized. And Minato is fast and skilled and all, but a kunai isn't stronger than kirin, regardless of who is wielding that kunai.

>_> I was saying he could get to madara before the susanoo even starts developing around him, as in, madara's weak spot, which is his body without the susanoo. So to make it even more simplified for you, minato's speed > the time it takes for susanoo to even start to come out, which = cut off head with kunai

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

Hashi is a beast in naruto but wood is still fodder to alot of things in my opinion

 

[theph0necompany]

Hashi is a beast in naruto but wood is still fodder to alot of things in my opinion

yeah how could hashirama attack madara with wood style when madara could just burn the wood?

 

[Hashirama Senju 48]

Agreed... Way too many ppl are underestimating Hashi these days.
And im sick of hearing that Nagato or Hiru > Hashi.

 

[GreenV]

Hashirama is pure hype. Never seen anything from him.
Remember KinGin bro hypes? that's it.

 

[sharingan17]

Only 1 stronger than hashi is so6p and mayne 2 sons. But thats it.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Everything the OP said was true.

@GreenV: The difference with Hashi and the KinGin bros is that Madara is alive to attest at Hashi's power. Even with all he can do, Madara still says only Hashi can beat him now.