People don't understand Hashiramas power

[TheSages456]

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i dont know why people say nagato can beat him. but most of the people on the base have some sort of vendetta against hashirama. madara, who is superior to nagato says hashirama can beat him yet i see people say "oh nagato shits on hashirama with low difficulty".

 

[Strict]

Also, I do believe Nagato was sealed at this point, so that quote would not have included him or many other ninja who had come before.

By making such a statement Kabuto could mention a Ninja who was even stronger than this fairy tale strength. Also Tobi was alive when this statement was done by Kabuto who knew his powers well. So your argument to back up Nagatos strength would be actually in any case wrong.

 

[TheSages456]

In your OP, you claimed "Kabuto said that no one could reach Hashiramas level anymore", when all he said was that there was no-one on his level anymore. There is actually a big difference between what you said and what the manga said. Also, I do believe Nagato was sealed at this point, so that quote would not have included him or many other ninja who had come before.

Dan's comment is so irrelevant. Dan does not know about Edo Madara's powerups. He only knows Madara in his EMS form, so of course he's going to say only Hashirama can stop him, because Hashirama defeated EMS Madara at VOTE. Dan's comment in no way implies that Hashirama > Edo Madara, or that Hashirama is on such a level.

Do you have any evidence that Hashirama's Mokuton > Madara's? Not saying you're wrong, just asking for some evidence.

Your final line is actually quite pathetic, because Nagato was a self proclaimed God and was called the 3rd Sage of 6 Paths. That alone trumps what was said about Hashirama.

Not saying Hashirama is weak or anything, but this thread is just there to turn the heads of the weakminded because of some poor wording and presentation of outright false statements.

well yes thats his only wrong point but people from this era arent on hashiramas level. edo madaras full power comes from his ems so if hashirama beat madaras perfect susano in the past then he can still beat madara.

 

[Tartarus]

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Hashirama>Hiruzen btw

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

With what we have only seen its clearly Nagato>Hashirama for now. Unless Kishi reveals Hashirama possed some OP abilities that would actually challenge the Rinnegan.

 

[-Logic-]

By making such a statement Kabuto could mention a Ninja who was even stronger than this fairy tale strength. Also Tobi was alive when this statement was done by Kabuto who knew his powers well. So your argument to back up Nagatos strength would be actually in any case wrong.

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[Ryuu..]

By making such a statement Kabuto could mention a Ninja who was even stronger than this fairy tale strength. Also Tobi was alive when this statement was done by Kabuto who knew his powers well. So your argument to back up Nagatos strength would be actually in any case wrong.

Madara had just used a Hashirama technique, so of course the focus was going to be on Hashirama. What you don't understand is, my point about Kabuto's statement had nothing to do with hyping Nagato. It was actually to show that Hashirama is not on a tier of his own, as the statement by Kabuto proved.

 

[Strict]

Kishimotos only purpose of Kabutos statement was to make clear that Hashirama plays on an other league than all the others, whether it is EMS Madara together with Kurama, Nagato or even Tobi. But people don't understand it but try to hype Nagato. Hashirama is from what we have already seen a beast; considering what he could do else I would say that Kishimotos hype about him is justified. Whether we are going by feats or hype, Hashirama would beat Nagato.

 

[Ryuu..]

well yes thats his only wrong point but people from this era arent on hashiramas level. edo madaras full power comes from his ems so if hashirama beat madaras perfect susano in the past then he can still beat madara.

Regardless. The Madara we are witnessing now is clearly on tier beyond EMS Madara, who himself is comparable to Hashirama. Limitless chakra, an undying body, the Rinnegan and access to Hashirama's powers are simply too much of a step up, and thus Dan's comment is rendered irrelevant.

I'm sure Hashirama is a tank, but I will stay true to the idea that Naruto is about matchups, and some people are just suited to fight against others.

 

[Strict]

Madara had just used a Hashirama technique, so of course the focus was going to be on Hashirama. What you don't understand is, my point about Kabuto's statement had nothing to do with hyping Nagato. It was actually to show that Hashirama is not on a tier of his own, as the statement by Kabuto proved.

Yes, Hashiramas technique Madara used was the best moment to talk about his powers, just like when Madara talked about Tsunade and compared her with Hashiramas medical skills. I mean Kabuto wouldn't start to talk about Hashiramas powers while Madara is fighting with the EMS. But yeah, different people, different opinions, I guess.

 

[Prince Charles]

my boy ryuu is going in!

 

[TheSages456]

Regardless. The Madara we are witnessing now is clearly on tier beyond EMS Madara, who himself is comparable to Hashirama. Limitless chakra, an undying body, the Rinnegan and access to Hashirama's powers are simply too much of a step up, and thus Dan's comment is rendered irrelevant.

I'm sure Hashirama is a tank, but I will stay true to the idea that Naruto is about matchups, and some people are just suited to fight against others.

do you factor the kyuubi in at all in madaras strength or is he just ems madara?

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

hashirama> edo madara
nuff said

 

[raju22]

Well to put it bluntly, Hashirama has shown us shit except getting owned by an old man, apart from that we only have hype and nothing more, and when i put him in a fighting situation against many current OP characters with all the Jutsu he has shown us, i see him loosing, Badly.

 

[Lentz]

Hashirama sure is a beast. But I don't see how mokuton can beat Rinnegan's gravity control techniques.

 

[Ryuu..]

do you factor the kyuubi in at all in madaras strength or is he just ems madara?

Just EMS because I am confused as to what actually went down in that final fight, although I know Hashirama > EMS Madara is canon. Part of me is saying "Hashirama is an absolute beast, he bested both Perfect Susanoo and the Kyuubi". But then I look at it objectively. It makes no sense for this to be true. Why? I don't understand how these two men could have so many stalemates prior to VOTE. Do you you understand? How can Hashirama make such a leap in power in order to best them both? Simply, i'm thinking it's possible he ended up using the Kyuubi against Madara in that fight. Or, trying to control the Ninetails whilst fighting Hashirama affected Madara's occular powers.

 

[Tartarus]

Well to put it bluntly, Hashirama has shown us shit except getting owned by an old man, apart from that we only have hype and nothing more, and when i put him in a fighting situation against many current OP characters with all the Jutsu he has shown us, i see him loosing, Badly.

Hashirama and Tobirama were kicking his ass and Hiruzen was forced into using a suicide move. Hashirama beat Madara and Kurama, that's not hype, it's a feat.

 

[Dragon1]

This man was a god, he soloed EMS madara with the complete kyuubi, ppl are dont understand the power of this man but saying hes overrated and a piece of shit like nagato could beat him.

go and find your head people, Hashirama is a god.

LMFAO! You're a funny guy.

 

[raju22]

Hashirama and Tobirama were kicking his ass and Hiruzen was forced into using a suicide move. Hashirama beat Madara and Kurama, that's not hype, it's a feat.

Hiruzen was very advanced in age and both brothers were Edo zombi with no feeling of pain and unlimited chakra supply, yet they were not able to take him down, and Hiruzen sealed them both successfully.

Show me the fight between Madara and Hashirama What were the circumstances, I bet Madara was not even fighting to kill him as it was made clear in manga that he was fighting to gain his power, Keep that in mind when we put a person against someone in a hypothetical fight then we do not take hype to battle but actual ninjutsu and fighting prowess, in which we have seen nothing from Hashirama.

If i go feat wise then Nagato and Itachi have more then him.

 

[TheSages456]

Just EMS because I am confused as to what actually went down in that final fight, although I know Hashirama > EMS Madara is canon. Part of me is saying "Hashirama is an absolute beast, he bested both Perfect Susanoo and the Kyuubi". But then I look at it objectively. It makes no sense for this to be true. Why? I don't understand how these two men could have so many stalemates prior to VOTE. Do you you understand? How can Hashirama make such a leap in power in order to best them both? Simply, i'm thinking it's possible he ended up using the Kyuubi against Madara in that fight. Or, trying to control the Ninetails whilst fighting Hashirama affected Madara's occular powers.

well it is possible that they both got stronger. there was a good time period between konohas founding and madara and hashiramas fight at VOTE. a year or 2 is more than enough time for a ninja to get stronger. tobi was able to fight perfectly fine with the kyuubi out. minato implied that there was some sort of time limit though but im not sure. but tobi was able to control 5 tailed beast(although he almost lost control of 1) purely with eye power. i feel that madara could fight efficiently with the kyuubi out for a good duration of the fight. the only reason that tobi couldnt fight alongside his beasts is because, he was also controlling the beasts through stakes and the user has to remain stationary to control the paths. if tobi can fight efficiently using only tailed beasts then there is no doubt in my mind that madara can fight efficiently alongside the kyuubi.