Part 1: the origin of chakra

[Draven]

I never thought about that,it would make sense for Kaguya to have her own power before eating the fruit.

it just makes sense to me since if she had her own power that could be why or how she was corrupted after eating the fruit

Great stuff man!! I actually never thought about Kaguya having powers of her own before, idk why haha. What you said makes a lot of sense and could be possible.

Thanks for contributing and sharing your ideas!

np lol i have nothing better todo until the internet company gets off their butts and fixes my connection keep getting DCed from the games i play lol

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

it just makes sense to me since if she had her own power that could be why or how she was corrupted after eating the fruit



np lol i have nothing better todo until the internet company gets off their butts and fixes my connection keep getting DCed from the games i play lol

Well good haha, I loved hearing what you had to say. What games were you playing lol?

 

[Draven]

Well good haha, I loved hearing what you had to say. What games were you playing lol?

Swtor until my modem started fxing up

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Swtor until my modem started fxing up

I never played it, is it good? and damn do you know what happened to your modem

 

[Draven]

I never played it, is it good? and damn do you know what happened to your modem

Star Wars the Old Republic great game lol my modem got blown out by a storm about 5 days ago cable company replaced it but now the new one wont take the firmware/software updates keeps rejecting it so i lag out of the game everytime i try to play it been off the game for 3 days now and getting very bored living in the middle of nowhere sucks lol

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Star Wars the Old Republic great game lol my modem got blown out by a storm about 5 days ago cable company replaced it but now the new one wont take the firmware/software updates keeps rejecting it so i lag out of the game everytime i try to play it been off the game for 3 days now and getting very bored living in the middle of nowhere sucks lol

Damn that does sucks, hopefully the problem gets fixed soon. I'm happy that you had the time to respond to my thread tho, thanks again

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

My internet is a fickle beast,it goes out randomly for no reason sometimes.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

My internet is a fickle beast,it goes out randomly for no reason sometimes.

I know right my internet is like that. Most times it works perfectly and then out of nowhere it just doesn't work, it's Hella annoying haha

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Once again NSW very interesting stuff and I love it.

:T_T: this conversation became so insightful lol

Thanks man, it was very nice to share some new information that's why we love to discuss.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

This is a great theory guts!

Now that I've read this, I think that the chakra Hagoromo had spread around for ninshuu, was not that of the Juubi's but of the fruit's chakra from his mother. Instead of one person (Kaguya) holding all the power, Hagoromo gave that chakra to the people so that the power would be more divided. This of course did not work that well.

For the point about Obito not being able to awaken the Rinnegan even though he was the Ten-Tails Jinchuuriki, he himself stated that he wouldn't have been able to handle the power of 2 Rinnegan as it would have overwhelmed him. The power would have literally overwhelmed him just like when he first became the TTJ. Now as for how Nagato was able to handle both Rinnegan, it could be that because he was very young (youth represent innocence) that he was less likely to be corrupted by the great power as occurred with Kaguya and Madara.

The fruit chakra is the purest form on chakra so far that we have seen. It gave Kaguya the 9T Rinnegan and incredible power (even said to surpass Jin Hagoromo) and when passed down to her sons, gave Hagoromo the Rinnegan. Now with the power of the fruit, the user has complete access to all of it's chakra. I doubt that the Juubi Jins we have seen so far have had 100% access to the Juubi's power. Just like with Kurama, Naruto had to befriend him before he had 100% access to that power. Now is it possible that the amount of Juubi's power that can be accessed by the Jin is proportionate to the amount the fruit's chakra that they possess. Kaguya > Hagoromo >​ Madara > Obito

OT: @Draven When I first got XBox, my connection was so bad that I couldn't play on Live. I had to always play by myself until I got a new modem.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Thanks man, it was very nice to share some new information that's why we love to discuss.

I know that's the purpose of the forum right

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

I know right my internet is like that. Most times it works perfectly and then out of nowhere it just doesn't work, it's Hella annoying haha

Agreed,especially if it's out for half the day.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

This is a great theory guts!

Now that I've read this, I think that the chakra Hagoromo had spread around for ninshuu, was not that of the Juubi's but of the fruit's chakra from his mother. Instead of one person (Kaguya) holding all the power, Hagoromo gave that chakra to the people so that the power would be more divided. This of course did not work that well.

For the point about Obito not being able to awaken the Rinnegan even though he was the Ten-Tails Jinchuuriki, he himself stated that he wouldn't have been able to handle the power of 2 Rinnegan as it would have overwhelmed him. The power would have literally overwhelmed him just like when he first became the TTJ. Now as for how Nagato was able to handle both Rinnegan, it could be that because he was very young (youth represent innocence) that he was less likely to be corrupted by the great power as occurred with Kaguya and Madara.

The fruit chakra is the purest form on chakra so far that we have seen. It gave Kaguya the 9T Rinnegan and incredible power (even said to surpass Jin Hagoromo) and when passed down to her sons, gave Hagoromo the Rinnegan. Now with the power of the fruit, the user has complete access to all of it's chakra. I doubt that the Juubi Jins we have seen so far have had 100% access to the Juubi's power. Just like with Kurama, Naruto had to befriend him before he had 100% access to that power. Now is it possible that the amount of Juubi's power that can be accessed by the Jin is proportionate to the amount the fruit's chakra that they possess. Kaguya > Hagoromo >​ Madara > Obito

OT: @Draven When I first got XBox, my connection was so bad that I couldn't play on Live. I had to always play by myself until I got a new modem.

It's interesting to see how everyone has their own take on the matter. Thanks for sharing man btw I see that you changed back to sparks lol.

I agree with pretty much everything you said but I think that for obito, the fact that he was not a transmigration of ashura or indra prevented him from being able to control that power.

Btw I had the same problem with my ps3 at first but I'm good now lol

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Agreed,especially if it's out for half the day.

Our even worse, multiple days lol

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Our even worse, multiple days lol

That too,my internet has the weird habit of going off for long periods during summer time.I guess I'm lucky this year lol.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

That too,my internet has the weird habit of going off for long periods during summer time.I guess I'm lucky this year lol.

Ya haha, this wasn't supposed to be a thread to talk about our connection problems lol. I blame you and draven for this haha

 

[Zealous Sparks]

It's interesting to see how everyone has their own take on the matter. Thanks for sharing man btw I see that you changed back to sparks lol.

I agree with pretty much everything you said but I think that for obito, the fact that he was not a transmigration of ashura or indra prevented him from being able to control that power.

Btw I had the same problem with my ps3 at first but I'm good now lol

lol I really didn't like the other name. Plus I had an epic fail when I was logging in. I usually have an auto-sign in, and for some reason I couldn't log in. It was because it was still set as Sparks so I had the wrong account name. I felt really stupid for that one.

OT: Nagato was neither the transmigrant of Ashura or Indra, but he could handle both Rinnegan, whereas Obito, who even had some of Ashura's chakra could not. Even though Obito with the powerful Yin chakra of the Uchiha could use the Rinnegan to a greater extent than Nagato (his Outer Path binding was greater than Nagato's) he still wasn't able to handle both. This makes me think that there is something more to than the Rinnegan than meets the eye. Haha eye get it I know that wasn't funny.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

lol I really didn't like the other name. Plus I had an epic fail when I was logging in. I usually have an auto-sign in, and for some reason I couldn't log in. It was because it was still set as Sparks so I had the wrong account name. I felt really stupid for that one.

OT: Nagato was neither the transmigrant of Ashura or Indra, but he could handle both Rinnegan, whereas Obito, who even had some of Ashura's chakra could not. Even though Obito with the powerful Yin chakra of the Uchiha could use the Rinnegan to a greater extent than Nagato (his Outer Path binding was greater than Nagato's) he still wasn't able to handle both. This makes me think that there is something more to than the Rinnegan than meets the eye. Haha eye get it I know that wasn't funny.

Haha I get it and it was funny, just not as funny as you not being able to log in haha.

And yes I know that nagato wasn't a transmigrant but I was referring to the fact that madara was able to use the hermit sage chakra while obito wasn't. Other than that I agree and I think it's because he was an uzumaki that he was able to use the two rinnegans.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Haha I get it and it was funny, just not as funny as you not being able to log in haha.

And yes I know that nagato wasn't a transmigrant but I was referring to the fact that madara was able to use the hermit sage chakra while obito wasn't. Other than that I agree and I think it's because he was an uzumaki that he was able to use the two rinnegans.

Ah yes than I agree. Madara as the original wielder of the Rinnegan plus having pure Hashi DNA added by Kabuto (Obito had Zetsu which is degraded) in addition to Sage Mode was able to utilize the power of the Six Paths better than that of Obito.

 

[conradoserpa]

Kaguya is said to be the first HUMAN to use chakra, so I think chakra have been there for a really, really long time.

Sage Mode pretty much implies this. The natural energy all around the world can be gathred and used as chakra. This way, I believe have always been around

I have a theory about it, here:

The first human to use chakra and the world's energy

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