guts2nevergiveup
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Hello everyone, I have another rather long project in the works and this is part 1.
IMPORTANT: please note that this is in collaboration with a good friend, Behemoth55. He put in a tremendous effort for this so please give him the credit that he deserves=D
This is not that long so please take the time to read it, we would both truly appreciate it!
Lets get started:
Part 1 The origin of chakra~
The origin of chakra is the Shinju,
an entity which is also known as the Jūbi. Before primeval times this tree was adored by the people, until he carried one day a fruit. The people should not touch the fruit, however, on account of the ruling wars, a princess called Kaguya Ōtsutsuki, decided to use the forces of the fruit for peace. She ate the fruit and got thus the chakra of the Shinju with which she was able to finish the wars.
I have always wondered what kind of chakra the Shinju had. Due to chapter 674 I could have finally found an answer(probably).
It says: Even the shadow of Madara is generated by the {rikudō no sennin} chakra. Can he attack me?
The rikudō no sennin chakra= hermit chakra of the six path
Naruto and Sasuke used these kind of chakra to attack Madaras Limbo. I think, I'm right if I say that Naruto/Sasuke got that chakra from Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki. If we go one step further we will realise that Kaguya must have had that chakra too, because Hagoromo and his brother were born with the chakra of their mother.
As we know Kaguya achieved chakra and the 'holy power' due to the fruit of the holy tree.
Means:
Shinju=>Kaguya=>Hagoromo/brother=>Naruto/Sasuke=Ashura/Indra
They all use the same type of chakra. But the same goes for Madara probably too. Since he uses the incarnation of the holy tree, the Jūbi, to get close to Hagoromos and Kaguyas power.
Also, it's important to note from this scan that it feels, to me at least, that Madara changed after he got this power. It almost seems like he lost his entire personality and only had one thing in mind.
However, there is something I can't explain right now and maybe you are able to do that. If Sasuke achieved the Rinnegan due to the hermit chakra of the six path, which should be Hagoromos senchakra, and Madara also achieved a similar power by having the powers of the Uchiha and the shenju then why didn't Obito, awake the Rinnegan too. Also, both being the ten-tails jin, why did Obito not have this special chakara such as limbo, if Hermit chakra of the six path=Hagoromo and Jūbi?
What's important here are the first two panels.
Now it's question time for the discussion haha:
Regarding Obito: Maybe having the power of the uchiha and the senju is not enough to unlock the rinnegan actually, but you need to be a transmigration of ashura or indra and mix both of their powers together? regarding the hermit of the six paths chakra, maybe Jūbis chakra isn't the hermit chakra of the six path's? Idk though because Naruto and Madara gained the same senjutsu of the six path due to that chakra
Now there is another possibility and I would also like to know what you think about this: The fruit. Maybe it's the fruit and the fruit alone that is the origin of chakra. Maybe it's even so powerful that It has taken over Kaguya, made her this way and has made Madara change. Then that would mean that the special chakra they have comes from the fruit.
fruit=>Kaguya=>Hagoromo/brother=>Naruto/Sasuke=Ashura/Indra
What do you think? Also, last question, do you think that this is just a completely different type of chakra then what we have seen all this time or do you think that it is just different because it is closer to the source, the shinju or the fruit?
Thanks for reading and please contribute to the discussion, we would like to know all of you're opinions!=D
IMPORTANT: please note that this is in collaboration with a good friend, Behemoth55. He put in a tremendous effort for this so please give him the credit that he deserves=D
This is not that long so please take the time to read it, we would both truly appreciate it!
Lets get started:
Part 1 The origin of chakra~
The origin of chakra is the Shinju,
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I have always wondered what kind of chakra the Shinju had. Due to chapter 674 I could have finally found an answer(probably).
You must be registered for see links
It says: Even the shadow of Madara is generated by the {rikudō no sennin} chakra. Can he attack me?
The rikudō no sennin chakra= hermit chakra of the six path
Naruto and Sasuke used these kind of chakra to attack Madaras Limbo. I think, I'm right if I say that Naruto/Sasuke got that chakra from Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki. If we go one step further we will realise that Kaguya must have had that chakra too, because Hagoromo and his brother were born with the chakra of their mother.
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Means:
Shinju=>Kaguya=>Hagoromo/brother=>Naruto/Sasuke=Ashura/Indra
They all use the same type of chakra. But the same goes for Madara probably too. Since he uses the incarnation of the holy tree, the Jūbi, to get close to Hagoromos and Kaguyas power.
You must be registered for see images
Also, it's important to note from this scan that it feels, to me at least, that Madara changed after he got this power. It almost seems like he lost his entire personality and only had one thing in mind.
However, there is something I can't explain right now and maybe you are able to do that. If Sasuke achieved the Rinnegan due to the hermit chakra of the six path, which should be Hagoromos senchakra, and Madara also achieved a similar power by having the powers of the Uchiha and the shenju then why didn't Obito, awake the Rinnegan too. Also, both being the ten-tails jin, why did Obito not have this special chakara such as limbo, if Hermit chakra of the six path=Hagoromo and Jūbi?
You must be registered for see images
Now it's question time for the discussion haha:
Regarding Obito: Maybe having the power of the uchiha and the senju is not enough to unlock the rinnegan actually, but you need to be a transmigration of ashura or indra and mix both of their powers together? regarding the hermit of the six paths chakra, maybe Jūbis chakra isn't the hermit chakra of the six path's? Idk though because Naruto and Madara gained the same senjutsu of the six path due to that chakra
Now there is another possibility and I would also like to know what you think about this: The fruit. Maybe it's the fruit and the fruit alone that is the origin of chakra. Maybe it's even so powerful that It has taken over Kaguya, made her this way and has made Madara change. Then that would mean that the special chakra they have comes from the fruit.
fruit=>Kaguya=>Hagoromo/brother=>Naruto/Sasuke=Ashura/Indra
What do you think? Also, last question, do you think that this is just a completely different type of chakra then what we have seen all this time or do you think that it is just different because it is closer to the source, the shinju or the fruit?
Thanks for reading and please contribute to the discussion, we would like to know all of you're opinions!=D
aww Thank you. hopefully we will learn more in the future like you said.
Looking at the sharingan's progression and how its chakra affects the mentality of its user if Kaguya was a normal person before eating the fruit then without a doubt her mentality was affected. Hagoromo was possibly different though since he was born with a body akin to the chakra of origin and it was most likely less powerful than Kaguya. As the Sage shared chakra ppl possibly only received fragments of the chakra of origin resulting in many individual abilities.