[Game] Our loved Mangakas and their masterpieces Mafia Game #19

[Just_Red]

How was he a threat to mafia red?

He is good at playing mafia right?
If your answer is yes, then that makes him a threat no?

 

[LanMisa]

I dont think there are realy powerful power roles in this game. I also must say that a mafia killing someone who publicly suspects them is a amateur move no? Like everyone will suspect them.

Sk's death was a suprise but in hind sight, not really: a well renowned player: a clear threat to mafia.

That's not how Mafia works. Mafia need to get town to die during the days to win the game. If all who ever dies during the day are Mafia, then they always lose.

Power roles are a special type of unlynchable, unless you play role madness, since their claim alone will normally save them their bacon. A game where enough power roles survived is mechanically locked, more or less, unless Mafia runs the risk to get into claim wars. No matter the power of the power role, it should always be a priority for Mafia to kill them.

Mafia killing a generally great player out of fear even though he would be wrong on all of his reads (!) happens extremely rarely. Thus it is only logical to conclude that SoulKiller was right on SOMEONE, or more than one person, and was swiftly eliminated because of that. Now it is our job to find out who he suspected rightfully.

 

[LanMisa]

How was he a threat to mafia red?

I don't remember him being especially suspicious of Red, and if Red was a Mafia member with him I doubt that she was the reason SoulKiller died, unless the other two members are basically non-entities. Which... does not feel right for me from a gut perspective.

But I generally do not think it was Red.

 

[LanMisa]

He is good at playing mafia right?
If your answer is yes, then that makes him a threat no?

I'm also good at this game and I was generally townread, yet here I am. There must be a reason he died and I did not, so to say, and I suspect that his reads are simply better than mine.

 

[Elmage G Ace]

Okay peeps. I'm back and ready for action:
Scum team:
Lan : just cause
Alice : the new playstyle is quite interactive. Which is nt like Alice.
Poison : just cause.

Town:
Red
Moth : said they were town
Elmage : so did they.

Neutral:
Everyone else. : they were too wishy washy for my liking. They dont ping me as either side currently.

New Reads:
Scum Team:
Alice
Poison

Town Team:
Me
Moth
Elamge

Town Lean:
LanMisa: this post explains

These are the two reads I found, now on the surface it's consistent, one is before your interaction with lan, the other is after, which could mean you lean town, just like is stated in your post. The next question is why did you not try to pressure Alice? I mean, I know poison's ISO (some at least) were not overly useful, but she usually does that in her game (I'm not supporting her, I personally think she overdid it. more on that later) however, he play so far is not far off from her town play (again, not saying she's town) Alice, on the other hand, seemed out of character in her play (I'm still coming for you Alice >_>) yet you kind of ignored Alice. Why? The reason I'm asking is I could throw my scum buddy into my scum reads to gain town points in the future, and it could work perfectly if that person is an easy target (not saying Alice is scum here, but we'll get to that soon)

 

[LanMisa]

My question was does her ISO add new perspective to the people she is ISOing. Not herslef. That is what an ISO is for no?

Normally it is both. When I ISO people it is to remind myself of what they did and order my thoughts/explain to others why I think of them in a certain way.

That is obviously assuming I am town. As scum I still ISO to push my agenda (either framing a player, protecting a partner or doing some townsiding/pocketing).

 

[mothbomb]

He is good at playing mafia right?
If your answer is yes, then that makes him a threat no?

he seemed like a sociopath obsessed with pictures of cillian murphy.

I saw zero mafia skills on display. so no

 

[Elmage G Ace]

it was gut vote at first. SO I wanted to see if this gut was right or wrong. I reread her posts and came to her weak ISO posts. So that vote was pretty much just a gut vote, until it was backed with evidence.

So... You kept your vote on her because her ISO was weak. Noted for reference

 

[mothbomb]

literally no one kills that guy unless they know him or if they think hes PR

 

[LanMisa]

he seemed like a sociopath obsessed with pictures of cillian murphy.

I saw zero mafia skills on display. so no

I think that you should re-read him, he was not as bad as you might remember him.

I'd also invite you to look at his reads and help me figure out who'd want him dead most.

 

[Elmage G Ace]

Meanwhile, @Alice in Noodleland why so active all of a sudden? <_<

 

[LanMisa]

Meanwhile, @Alice in Noodleland why so active all of a sudden? <_<

"Active"?

 

[Elmage G Ace]

"Active"?

She's usually just lurking, and would occasionally pop up to make an observation and then leave xD

 

[LanMisa]

She's usually just lurking, and would occasionally pop up to make an observation and then leave xD

You mean, just like right now?

 

[Just_Red]

That's not how Mafia works. Mafia need to get town to die during the days to win the game. If all who ever dies during the day are Mafia, then they always lose.

Power roles are a special type of unlynchable, unless you play role madness, since their claim alone will normally save them their bacon. A game where enough power roles survived is mechanically locked, more or less, unless Mafia runs the risk to get into claim wars. No matter the power of the power role, it should always be a priority for Mafia to kill them.

Mafia killing a generally great player out of fear even though he would be wrong on all of his reads (!) happens extremely rarely. Thus it is only logical to conclude that SoulKiller was right on SOMEONE, or more than one person, and was swiftly eliminated because of that. Now it is our job to find out who he suspected rightfully.

Okay. Your reasoning makes sence. So my theory that they killed him because of past meta should be updated.

I'm also good at this game and I was generally townread, yet here I am. There must be a reason he died and I did not, so to say, and I suspect that his reads are simply better than mine.

With this logic: Rej and you are the most likely scum then

These are the two reads I found, now on the surface it's consistent, one is before your interaction with lan, the other is after, which could mean you lean town, just like is stated in your post. The next question is why did you not try to pressure Alice? I mean, I know poison's ISO (some at least) were not overly useful, but she usually does that in her game (I'm not supporting her, I personally think she overdid it. more on that later) however, he play so far is not far off from her town play (again, not saying she's town) Alice, on the other hand, seemed out of character in her play (I'm still coming for you Alice >_>) yet you kind of ignored Alice. Why? The reason I'm asking is I could throw my scum buddy into my scum reads to gain town points in the future, and it could work perfectly if that person is an easy target (not saying Alice is scum here, but we'll get to that soon)

I never avoided her. But I cant focus on all players. I was focusing on Lan at first then to poison. As of currently Im still on Poison. Qlice is next

Normally it is both. When I ISO people it is to remind myself of what they did and order my thoughts/explain to others why I think of them in a certain way.

That is obviously assuming I am town. As scum I still ISO to push my agenda (either framing a player, protecting a partner or doing some townsiding/pocketing).

Okay. But does her ISO add new perspective to the players she did of?

 

[Elmage G Ace]

I never avoided her. But I cant focus on all players. I was focusing on Lan at first then to poison. As of currently Im still on Poison. Qlice is next

What I was inferring was, Alice was more out of character it would seem, but you chose to pressure poison... Anyways, I'll come back to this later, I want to address something else for now

 

[Just_Red]

New Scum list:
Rej
Poison
Alice

Town:
Me
Moth
Elamage
Lan

Nuetral:
Ansa

If your not mentioned I forgot that you post.

 

[Just_Red]

What I was inferring was, Alice was more out of character it would seem, but you chose to pressure poison... Anyways, I'll come back to this later, I want to address something else for now

Looking forward to your reads.

 

[LanMisa]

Okay. Your reasoning makes sence. So my theory that they killed him because of past meta should be updated.


1) With this logic: Rej and you are the most likely scum then


2) I never avoided her. But I cant focus on all players. I was focusing on Lan at first then to poison. As of currently Im still on Poison. Alice is next


3) Okay. But does her ISO add new perspective to the players she did of?

1) Yes, definitely. Obviously I have the benefit of knowing my own role so it's definitely not me. The question is, might Rej be scum, and if he isn't - who else feared SoulKiller so much they killed him AND did not believe they might get him lynched?

2) My suggestion would be to look at other players next. I think that you got your message across regarding Poison, but I doubt that the wolves are a one-man team, so we need to look at all the players. What picks my interest, for example, is what you think about how the end of yesterday went, which ended up lynching Sagebee - which suprised me quite a bit when I got home and read about it, to be honest, since it kinda came out of the blue for me. And I am not sure about what to feel about it.

3) I think it does. Of course I want her to continue showing effort and trying to read the game, and she will be measured on that.

 

[Elmage G Ace]

@All_Red I find it quite odd that you don't try to interact with your sus. Something that Lan rightly pointed out. Poison don't seem to be online yet, so why don't you pressure someone else. It was because of Lan you both had the only noteworthy interaction of yours, and that's after he complained that you didn't try to interact, I'm sensing a pattern here