Orochimaru w/ Samehada vs Killer Bee

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Pardon...?​

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OT: you just proved that one can distinguish two chakra, as they'll both remain present over time. Yamato has implanted DNA

 

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OT: you just proved that one can distinguish two chakra, as they'll both remain present over time. Yamato has implanted DNA

What suggests though that he used sensing to discern the two?

Edit: I thought about it... nvm, beat me to it.​

 

[TRE MERCER]

I'm not exactly the one who needs a savior here...

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Naruto already had a plan in mind which succeeded seeing as he didn't even try to budge

Absorbing chakra=Absorbing strength. Absorbing Senjutsu chakra takes him out of Sage Mode which reduces his strength. Chakra=Stamina. Less stamina you have the weaker you become. Go get me a valid example and then we can talk.

Bold is obviously false. Against BM Naruto, he bit it once but it ended up binding him, biting him, and absorbing his chakra. Once it started absorbing his chakra there was no resistance. In fact, Mokuryu doesn't suppress chakra, it absorbs it, and it didn't start doing that to Naruto until it bit him, hence the resistance.

Kurama only broke it before it started absorbing his chakra as well at the Valley of the End.

Based on what? Oh wait, nothing.








No, I explicitly stated that ALL Bijuu Dama needed to be charged up.

The fanfic is strong with the bold. Orochimaru only has one month with the sword here as OP stated, no reason to believe he'll be as good as it is as Kisame. No reason to believe he can fuse with it. And even if he can, it doesn't change anything I stated. Manda still gets evaded and he still enters BM after that to wipe it out.

Go take a look at the Jinchuuriki who got sent flying back in a straight path, buddy. I don't care about the trees. The trees are lodged into the ground, the Jins weren't, so they are much better comparisons for another thing that isn't lodged into the ground (Manda)

My point exactly i clearly said he was fighting back(breaking the wood dragon you act as if they cannot move as soon as it touches them). Even against Madara Kurama managed to shoot tbb's while raped in wood dragon. I know im saying uncharged Bijuudama's isn't mountain buster. he clearly said he'll be better than Kisame not sure what your reading. Manda won't surface until Bee goes bm how is bee going to evade Manda when he wouldn't even know which way he's coming? Manda is much faster than those Bijuu he easily dodges the hand or wraps it up. Hachibi slaps Manda with his other hand and what's that going to do you never countered it. Those tree's were easily pulled out of the ground quit acting blind.

 

[KidGamer65]

My point exactly i clearly said he was fighting back(breaking the wood dragon you act as if they cannot move as soon as it touches them).

Never said that about the Wood Dragon as IT DOESN'T SUPPRESS CHAKRA BY BINDING ITS OPPONENT. It absorbs chakra by biting them, hence why Naruto was able to fight back. A Mokuton tendril wrapped around B's body, and he was unable to move or do anything until Madara was put out of commission, and then said that this Mokuton blocks the Bijuu's power...meaning Killer B's power was being suppressed, hence why he wasn't able to break out. We saw that he was able to break out once it stopped blocking his power as its just normal wood. Your point is that since Mokuton had him restrained, Manda can do it too, even though that is faulty for the reasons explained already.

Even against Madara Kurama managed to shoot tbb's while raped in wood dragon.

Read above. This has always been replied to.

I know im saying uncharged Bijuudama's isn't mountain buster.

I'm not going to bother with this part, its irrelevant as I never said Hachibi would use an uncharged Bijuu Dama to begin with.

he clearly said he'll be better than Kisame not sure what your reading.

Fine, he can fuse with it. Doesn't change the fact he gets raped.

Manda won't surface until Bee goes bm how is bee going to evade Manda when he wouldn't even know which way he's coming? Manda is much faster than those Bijuu he easily dodges the hand or wraps it up. Hachibi slaps Manda with his other hand and what's that going to do you never countered it. Those tree's were easily pulled out of the ground quit acting blind.

Then Killer B won't go Bijuu Mode, and lol. Stop now if you think Killer B won't be able to hear a giant snake burrowing from out of the ground. He hears and evades it.

@bold: Scans for the bold? And no, for Manda to wrap around the first incoming hand, it'd have to be able to maneuver its head in mid air while its still lunging at Hachibi in order to wrap around it. Manda attacked Katsuyu and

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Manda failed to simply "go around it" so he won't be doing the same here, especially when the fist is coming for him. In the scan Bunta simply put his sword in the way.

The second bolded part is irrelevant. V2 Jins were sent flying backwards in a straight path, so Manda will too. Comparing it to the trees is a shit comparison as the trees were lodged into the ground. Whether or not they came out doesn't mean anything, they started out lodged into the ground.

 

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Lol, he jumped back like three times. And? The distance he gained by jumping was negated by the distance Rashoumon Gates used when summoned in fron of Orochimaru BEFORE they got hit by KN4's attack.

Uhh no. He was far away and then jumped further back. Naruto can be seen here

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while Oro isn't seen at all further showing the gap was a lot.

Again Rashoumon covered a huge gap

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Considering it was at least summoned and then hit despite TBB's speed . Meaning Oro was behind Rashoumon and that was essentially the gap between them or probably even further since he could summon it before it while TBB was fired and it still hit Rashoumon. A CTBB would essentially destroy him since he won't have time to do all that from a distance. A TBB moved at the same pace with Rasenshuriken which crossed CT's crater which was the size of a small mountain range in less than a second. Oro saw TBB's preparation and then jumped back. A CTBB would instantly destroy him since he won't have anything to jump back or even Merge and travel before he's hit.

Straight up TBB from KN4 would've 'killed' that Oro's body - true. But Orochimaru didn't evade that attack because he wanted to test his Rashoumon Gates. Actually, fighting against and testing unknown jutsu is one of his favourite things (look: Hiruzen vs Orochimaru and Oro's Databook description and personal information).

Till you have proof for the bold, we can't discuss. Not when he said he'll die if it hits him. He was caught with a little of it afterwards.

I never stated that Mayfly isn't slower than Kamui because it is. Kamui is instant, but the sole fact that it was even compared to Kamui's speed and the fact that on a distance worth of 10km it wasn't MUCH slower, proves that closing the distance of a few tens of meters with it would be nearly instant.

It wasn't compared. This is just you speculating. Obito was there before him and didn't indicate anything that would make us compare the 2. Shortly after, Naruto and the others got there.

Obviously, everything starts from forming a TBB. The difference is in how it's used. TBB can be used as a condensed ball of chakra that gets fired off and explodes on impact. But it can also be used as a blast that releases the power in a cone straight from the users mouth.

Ok so what does this mean? Lol That a blast is faster than the Ball or the other way around?

KN4 used a combination of BOTH - a ball AND a wave/beam/blast/whatever-you-want-to-call-it.
KN6 used only a TBB - it evaporated the rocks it passed through. There was no energy released with it - the whole chakra was focused in the ball.

It was clearly the same. Don't you see what surrounds the ball as well? It's the same with no difference. The only thing you're using is the SFX which refers to it as an energy beam but in the end it's still the same

KN4 shows something around it while evaporating and so does KN6. No difference at all.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Never said that about the Wood Dragon as IT DOESN'T SUPPRESS CHAKRA BY BINDING ITS OPPONENT. It absorbs chakra by biting them, hence why Naruto was able to fight back. A Mokuton tendril wrapped around B's body, and he was unable to move or do anything until Madara was put out of commission, and then said that this Mokuton blocks the Bijuu's power...meaning Killer B's power was being suppressed, hence why he wasn't able to break out. We saw that he was able to break out once it stopped blocking his power as its just normal wood. Your point is that since Mokuton had him restrained, Manda can do it too, even though that is faulty for the reasons explained already.

I get it completely.

Read above. This has always been replied to.



I'm not going to bother with this part, its irrelevant as I never said Hachibi would use an uncharged Bijuu Dama to begin with.




Fine, he can fuse with it. Doesn't change the fact he gets raped.



Then Killer B won't go Bijuu Mode, and lol. Stop now if you think Killer B won't be able to hear a giant snake burrowing from out of the ground. He hears and evades it.

@bold: Scans for the bold? And no, for Manda to wrap around the first incoming hand, it'd have to be able to maneuver its head in mid air while its still lunging at Hachibi in order to wrap around it. Manda attacked Katsuyu and

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Manda failed to simply "go around it" so he won't be doing the same here, especially when the fist is coming for him. In the scan Bunta simply put his sword in the way.

The second bolded part is irrelevant. V2 Jins were sent flying backwards in a straight path, so Manda will too. Comparing it to the trees is a shit comparison as the trees were lodged into the ground. Whether or not they came out doesn't mean anything, they started out lodged into the ground.

Manda fake him out like he did Gamabunta here.(

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). You keep saying he won't go into full Bijuumode then Orochimaru shits on him since he can absorb Samehada. Gamabunta intercepted the bite not him wrapping around Katsuya try again.

 

[KidGamer65]

Manda fake him out like he did Gamabunta here.(x).

Lol? And? That only works if he tries to catch the tail/head instead of evading it, which is what I said he'd do.

And no. Orochimaru needs to come in contact with him to absorb his chakra. B is much faster than Orochimaru on land, so that isn't going to happen. Here's how this will play out.

1, Orochimaru fuses with Samehada, B stays in V2.

2, Manda comes from the ground, B evades him and then goes Full Bijuu Mode and blows Manda away and nukes him and Orochimaru with Bijuu Dama while he's still above ground.

You keep saying he won't go into full Bijuumode then Orochimaru shits on him since he can absorb Samehada.

Gamabunta intercepted the bite not him wrapping around Katsuya try again.

Irrelevant, he needs to make the same motions (Lunging forward) in order to wrap around Hachibi or bite him, and Bunta intercepted. Hachibi does so with ease.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Lol? And? That only works if he tries to catch the tail/head instead of evading it, which is what I said he'd do.

And no. Orochimaru needs to come in contact with him to absorb his chakra. B is much faster than Orochimaru on land, so that isn't going to happen. Here's how this will play out.

L0l evade how is Hachibi going to evade it he doesn't even have legs loool.

1, Orochimaru fuses with Samehada, B stays in V2.

2, Manda comes from the ground, B evades him and then goes Full Bijuu Mode and blows Manda away and nukes him and Orochimaru with Bijuu Dama while he's still above ground.

You keep saying he won't go into full Bijuumode then Orochimaru shits on him since he can absorb Samehada.




Irrelevant, he needs to make the same motions (Lunging forward) in order to wrap around Hachibi or bite him, and Bunta intercepted. Hachibi does so with ease.

Manda isn't going to come out until Bee goes full Bijuumode. Killer bee may be faster but they will have to come in con-tact sooner or later if Bee tries to delay going into BM. Let's say Hachibi comes out and then he magically nukes Manda he'll need to use a charged Bijuudama to put Manda down for good seeing as he tanked Deidara c0. Orochimaru uses EBT which is stronger than Manda and that catches Hachibi as well once that comes up the snakes combined effort easily restricts Hachibi. Then multiple poison and a blade through the eye should do the trick.

 

[KidGamer65]

L0l evade how is Hachibi going to evade it he doesn't even have legs loool.

In V2. Not in Bijuu Mode. But since he won't come out till he goes BM, forget this.

Manda isn't going to come out until Bee goes full Bijuumode. Killer bee may be faster but they will have to come in con-tact sooner or later if Bee tries to delay going into BM. Let's say Hachibi comes out and then he magically nukes Manda he'll need to use a charged Bijuudama to put Manda down for good seeing as he tanked Deidara c0. Orochimaru uses EBT which is stronger than Manda and that catches Hachibi as well once that comes up the snakes combined effort easily restricts Hachibi. Then multiple poison and a blade through the eye should do the trick.

Then he goes Bijuu Mode, and once Manda comes out, he gets smacked away or blown away with Bijuu Hachimaki, as I've stated above already.

Continuous Bijuu Dama=GG Manda.

Lol, stop. Stronger than Manda doesn't mean shit when Manda isn't anywhere near as strong as Hachibi to begin with. If Orochimaru himself goes Eight Branches Mode, he simply makes himself an easy target for the Continuous Bijuu Dama that blow him and his summons to shit. Forget about Eight Branches ever restraining him either, since it has to be fast enough to do so before he can react since it can't burrow underground due to its bodily structure.

 

[TRE MERCER]

In V2. Not in Bijuu Mode. But since he won't come out till he goes BM, forget this.



Then he goes Bijuu Mode, and once Manda comes out, he gets smacked away or blown away with Bijuu Hachimaki, as I've stated above already.

Continuous Bijuu Dama=GG Manda.

How many times do i have to counter the smack away argument? Manda sheds his skin and go underground to evade Bijuudama's. The only way Manda is getting caught with Bijuudama's if he aims them toward the ground because he doesn't Manda easily evades them. Or he can guide them in another direction via rashomon gates.

Lol, stop. Stronger than Manda doesn't mean shit when Manda isn't anywhere near as strong as Hachibi to begin with. If Orochimaru himself goes Eight Branches Mode, he simply makes himself an easy target for the Continuous Bijuu Dama that blow him and his summons to shit. Forget about Eight Branches ever restraining him either, since it has to be fast enough to do so before he can react since it can't burrow underground due to its bodily structure.

L0l what Hachibi stronger than Manda? Manda II was strong enough to pull the island turtle while all those animals and other creatures. Mind you Hachibi can easily fit on the island turtle. EBT which is stonger than Manda shouldn't be far from Manda 2 strength. It doesn't matter if he's a big target Hachibi will be restrained to do anything about it.

 

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Hahaha lol at people orochimaru high diff killer bee

 

[KidGamer65]

How many times do i have to counter the smack away argument? Manda sheds his skin and go underground to evade Bijuudama's. The only way Manda is getting caught with Bijuudama's if he aims them toward the ground because he doesn't Manda easily evades them. Or he can guide them in another direction via rashomon gates.

Manda shedding his skin isn't going to do shit once he's caught in Bijuu Hachimaki. Once he's caught, there is no evading anything as he'll be sent flying through the air. You stated Manda comes up to restrain Hachibi, and once that happens Hachimaki blows it away and Bijuu Dama finishes it off. Period.

Lol. Rashomon only redirected the Bijuu Dama because it had a blade in it. The impact of the spinning blade and the Rashomon caused it to change direction. Bjiuu Dama alone is just a ball, so it'd plow right through Rashomon.

L0l what Hachibi stronger than Manda? Manda II was strong enough to pull the island turtle while all those animals and other creatures. Mind you Hachibi can easily fit on the island turtle. EBT which is stonger than Manda shouldn't be far from Manda 2 strength. It doesn't matter if he's a big target Hachibi will be restrained to do anything about it.

That's Manda II. Get proof that the Hydra is near Manda II in strength and then we can talk. I don't what kind of ridiculous logic you are using here, but its not gonna fly. Hydra being superior to Manda doesn't mean its on Manda II's level.

Hydra comes out.

Bijuu Dama blows it to shit before it ever attempts to restrain anyone.

Lets stop with this ridiculous notion that a summon is going to beat a Bijuu, and that a featless Hydra will do any better.