[Discussion] One Piece: Underrated & Overrated

[A v i]

They literally saw Magellan walking towards him, talked shit, and just watched as he launched a dragon of poison at them and took them. There was no surprise, just incompetence and power difference. But yet, they're a feared Yonko crew.

It was complete ignorance and arrogance not power difference and definitely not incompetence.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It was complete ignorance and arrogance not power difference and definitely not incompetence.

That's what led to the incompetence. And power difference does play a role, since they were weak enough to be rendered defeated by one attack.

 

[shon93]

That's what led to the incompetence. And power difference does play a role, since they were weak enough to be rendered defeated by one attack.

Your saying the BB who fought Ace and WB pretimwskip was out of his league at Impel Down Woww even so he had his whole crew with him bro

 

[A v i]

That's what led to the incompetence. And power difference does play a role, since they were weak enough to be rendered defeated by one attack.

Anyone would get effected by such an attack regardless of how strong he is unless he has someone kind of protection against his poison. That's really bad way of comparing strengths. They actually recovered pretty easily despite taking the attack without any kind of protection. Iva's case was clearly a complete defeat where as BB's case clearly can't be described as such.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Your saying the BB who fought Ace and WB pretimwskip was out of his league at Impel Down Woww even so he had his whole crew with him bro

I don't know why you're talking to me like Teach wasn't defeated by taking one attack from Magellan head on.

Though I will give you one thing: I take back my point about power difference, since Teach could take attacks from Sengoku and Whitebeard and still fight back, and they're stronger than Magellan. But that helps my point. If Teach falling to Magellan isn't an indicator of Teach's lack of power, why is it for Ivankov?

 

[shon93]

Anyone would get effected by such an attack regardless of how strong he is. That's really bad way of comparing strengths. They actually recovered pretty easily despite taking the attack without any kind of protection. Iva's case was clearly a complete defeat where as BB's case clearly can't be described as such.

I don't know why what your saying is so hard to understand bro xD

 

[MickNerks]

How's Sabo overrated?

That's my question too. He just got Ace's DF powers.

Thats my point

He just received the Mera Mera fruit, and I see people on here who believe he is admiral level. Yet he hasnt displayed any admiral worthy feats

 

[Punk Hazard]

Anyone would get effected by such an attack regardless of how strong he is unless he has someone kind of protection against his poison. That's really bad way of comparing strengths. They actually recovered pretty easily despite taking the attack without any kind of protection. Iva's case was clearly a complete defeat where as BB's case clearly can't be described as such.

It was a case of complete defeat. They recovered only because Shiryuu gave them a cure. He explicitly said without it, they'd be dead. If that doesn't say complete defeat, nothing does.

 

[loj]

Thats my point

He just received the Mera Mera fruit, and I see people on here who believe he is admiral level. Yet he hasnt displayed any admiral worthy feats

He demolished a Yonko nakama...was on par with admiral xd

 

[A v i]

It was a case of complete defeat. They recovered only because Shiryuu gave them a cure. He explicitly said without it, they'd be dead. If that doesn't say complete defeat, nothing does.

BB's defeat was a result of his ignorance where as Iva's defeat was a result of his inability to fight on par with Magellan. So you can't really compare their respective strengths by taking it as a reference.

 

[shon93]

I don't know why you're talking to me like Teach wasn't defeated by taking one attack from Magellan head on.

Though I will give you one thing: I take back my point about power difference, since Teach could take attacks from Sengoku and Whitebeard and still fight back, and they're stronger than Magellan. But that helps my point. If Teach falling to Magellan isn't an indicator of Teach's lack of power, why is it for Ivankov?

Blackbeard and his crew didn't fall to Magellan because of lack of power it was because if arrogance bro. Even WB told him his arrogance will cost him. Iva in the other talked to Magellan because of lack of power. Or if u want to make a case for Iva u could say he was trolling and he don't take his fights serious enough..it isn't that he isn't strong

 

[Punk Hazard]

BB's defeat was a result of his ignorance where as Iva's defeat was a result of his inability to fight on par with Magellan. So you can't really compare their respective strengths by taking it as a reference.

I can just as easily say Teach's ignorance makes him unable to fight on par with Magellan since it makes him mentally handicapped enough to just stand there and let his attacks hit him. "Enemy is using a power against you, do something about it." It's not rocket science. Teach was unable to defend himself, regardless of it's because of physical or mental inability, he failed period. Yet, despite that failure, he's on the level of a Yonko, so Ivankov failing in the same way doesn't necessarily mean he's considerably weak or not stronger than we're giving him credit for.

 

[MickNerks]

Akainu has the right to be overrated, that guy is a walking, talking volcano.

He is on the same tier as Aokiji, they both destroyed each other in their battle. But for some reason people on here believe that he is not on a tier higher than admiral. I even saw one person state than prime roger could only take Akainu w/ extreme high diff.smh

I think someone forgetting Iva got one shot by Akainu and Magellan lowdiff. Can somene explain how he is Underrated

If you are going by the anime then she didnt get oneshotted by akainu, she took a direct hit to the face then got up and had a whole dialog. He passed out due to the extreme heat around him.. If you are refering to the mang then both fights were off panel so we have no idea how either fight went. But Ivankov has been hinted to be high shichibukai level if not stronger. He demonstrated that he is possibly on par with Kuma, definately stronger than current sanji.

And its also worth pointing out that it was mentioned in the manga that both Kuma and Crocodile feared Ivankov in some way. Ivankov is also the only prisoner to escape his cell while begin shackled with seastone handcuff, completely eliminating his devil fruit ability.

Ivankov is completely underrated on this base

How is hancock overrated?

She's not.. I made a error

 

[A v i]

I can just as easily say Teach's ignorance makes him unable to fight on par with Magellan since it makes him mentally handicapped enough to just stand there and let his attacks hit him. "Enemy is using a power against you, do something about it." It's not rocket science. Teach was unable to defend himself, regardless of it's because of physical or mental inability, he failed period.

He didn't =/= He can't. Losing a battle is not same as being weaker. He was clearly more capable than Magellan which remains unchanged regardless of who won the battle. But Iva was clearly proved to be weaker than Magellan. So I don't get how you can even compare them. Losing a battle against Magellan is the only thing they have in common which means hardly anything while comparing their calibre.

 

[MickNerks]

He didn't =/= He can't. Losing a battle is not same as being weaker. He was clearly more capable than Magellan which remains unchanged regardless of who won the battle. But Iva was clearly proved to be weaker than Magellan. So I don't get how you can even compare them. Losing a battle against Magellan is the only thing they have in common which means hardly anything while comparing their calibre.

Only to prove my point about Ivankov being underrated.
Blackbeard and crew would have DIED if

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. Ivankov on the other hand

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and after being poinsoned was able to

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and also fight immediately when arriving at Marineford.

Clearly his resilience is far greater than Blackbeards entire crew, but this goes unnoticed. He also was able to take a attack straight to the face from akainu and got up and made a gag about it, only later passing out from exhaustion and intense heat.

 

[bajram]

Overrated:

Shanks
Crocodile
Zoro

Underrated:

Hancock
Big Mom
Magellan

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'm going to talk about the whole OP fanbase, meaning that my opinion is going to be based on many forums not only NB, so here:

Overrated:

Shanks

Would really like to hear why you think that

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Underatted
For me sanji (dnt need to explain )
Doffy (the reveal of gear 4 before these recent chapters had ppl going crazy to automatically put luffy above him despite the fact he was injured before hand I even seen 1 person put zoro above him because he's close to luffy inn strength they also put sabo already above him despite him having zero to no feats.. )
Ivankov- he did not get one shotted by melleghan he was joking how his face hurt him he tanked both poison and magma to the face .. and his abilities how they r suggest the guy has made stamina for days

Overrated zoro no need to explain
Sabo everyone seems to suggest he's admiral level cuz he's number 2 in rev army because if he's the second streongest and not as strong as an admiral the rev army would have died long time ago I find this stupid especially when we seen 2 organizations showing how someone can be ranked number 2 and have someone above them besides the leader (white beard crew and croc organization )
Lastly imma say blackbeard this dude is overrated as **** everyone gives Doffy shit for not fighting akoji when he was looking for luffy and law yet everyone fails to remember blackbeard entire crew getting one shorted by megllagan and sengoku he also deliberately ran away from akainu.... I think guy has amazing devil fruit and good endurance but a lot of his actions dnt equate to the hype he receives as far as we know the dude doesn't have tht much haki and yes he's a. Yonko by the amount of territory not nesscaikry strength I feel like he had a lot of allies etc. Or got really streong memebers and I wouldn't put it past him to get in some sort of agreement with kaido...

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Underatted
For me sanji (dnt need to explain )
Doffy (the reveal of gear 4 before these recent chapters had ppl going crazy to automatically put luffy above him despite the fact he was injured before hand I even seen 1 person put zoro above him because he's close to luffy inn strength they also put sabo already above him despite him having zero to no feats.. )
Ivankov- he did not get one shotted by melleghan he was joking how his face hurt him he tanked both poison and magma to the face .. and his abilities how they r suggest the guy has made stamina for days

Overrated zoro no need to explain
Sabo everyone seems to suggest he's admiral level cuz he's number 2 in rev army because if he's the second streongest and not as strong as an admiral the rev army would have died long time ago I find this stupid especially when we seen 2 organizations showing how someone can be ranked number 2 and have someone above them besides the leader (white beard crew and croc organization )
Lastly imma say blackbeard this dude is overrated as **** everyone gives Doffy shit for not fighting akoji when he was looking for luffy and law yet everyone fails to remember blackbeard entire crew getting one shorted by megllagan and sengoku he also deliberately ran away from akainu.... I think guy has amazing devil fruit and good endurance but a lot of his actions dnt equate to the hype he receives as far as we know the dude doesn't have tht much haki and yes he's a. Yonko by the amount of territory not nesscaikry strength I feel like he had a lot of allies etc. Or got really streong memebers and I wouldn't put it past him to get in some sort of agreement with kaido...

I just want to say that Bon Kurei was the 3rd most prominent member of Baroque Works and not the second in command, unlike Sabo, and that Ace was the 5th most prominent member of the WB Pirates.

 

[Zantos]

I don't understand the people that say Shanks is overrated !!! Dude stopped a ****ing war just by being there , he fought with WB , fought and stopped Kaido without any scratch , stopped Akainu with one hand , had sword duels with mihawk ... He is a Yonko only with Haki !! how can he be Overrated ???!! Dude is a monster !!