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Like I said earlier he didn't see any benefit from fighting shanks as he said "I got what I wanted"
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[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 871 Discussion and 872 Predictions
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This argument doesn't hold up because he was fighting the WG for literally no benefit he couldn't get from fighting Shanks.
There was a difference though.. almost every one of the top tiers at MF had already been fighting and would be somewhat tired and/or weaker than they would be if they were 100% fresh..
From BlackBeard's perspective though, Shanks and his whole crew all appeared to be fresh and at 100% ready to fight when they showed up.
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Nonsense. Kuzan, Kizaru, and Garp all had no significant injuries and Akainu wasn't impaired by the injuries Whitebeard gave him. Then there's Sengoku, whose only injuries came from Blackbeard himself.
What you're saying is facts.. but from BlackBeard's perspective, he showed up pretty late to what was a war, in which he would most likely think that the top tiers had been fighting. Therefore he would believe most of them to be less than 100% of what they're usually capable of.
My bad on the way I worded it, I meant from BB's perspective for the whole post..
Shanks however, had just arrived on the scene with his crew while even BB himself had been fighting already..
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By that logic even Shanks wasn't 100% since he was engaged with Kaido and it seems like everybody knew that :sdo:
U need evidence that sengoku is weaker, what about garp? him to why dont you send fanmail to oda and ask him, its common sense that the guy is past his prime as everyone else in his age group are past their prime, sengoku isnt some exception.
thanks captain obvious i didnt kno that shanks was an emperor, i mentioned all that i just said his most impressive feat was clashing with wb. and what the db said about his cash with kaido. BM said with giants she can beat everyone, that doesnt mean her crew is below shanks but i do think that is the case but its not for certain.
Where is Cp-0 hype, i dont see them anywhere near the admiral hype, so yes they are weaker unless proven otherwise.
a ship is something that is relatively easy to acquire especially for a strong pirate, but its really not worth the trouble to fight an admiral over it. Its like saying why doesnt BM just go fight a war with shanks or other factions for OP, its mutual destruction thats why. I cant believe you need all this to be explained,
why would he bother keeping one of the key road poneglyphs in his possessions then? he has some interest in it otherwise it would be useless to him. He has some aspirations, you can have more than one dream. Bm is a good example.
Are you stupid he used akainu to say that is too strong of a starting point, dont twist his words. he cited akainu as a perfect example of being too strong to be a protagonist. if akainu was so strong he would be above kaido but oda is not about that so... what i say makes a ton more sense than your nonsense theory as usual.
so a prime shanks = an old sengoku. you are so delusional. I forgot BB also mentioned that. along with all the other evidence of him what I said is absolutely correct as usual.
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We can't assume a person is significantly weaker than their youth just because they're old. Even if you want to say they're weaker, you can't immediately say they're significantly weaker. Garp and Sengoku have had no indication that they're weaker at all, much less being so much weaker that they're a shadow of their past selves.
Let's take a look at precedence:
1. Oda himself said he wanted to create a manga where old people are still powerful and wanted to go against reality where people get weaker as they age. That already throws away the notion that because people in real life get way weaker than their youth, that the same applies for the manga, since Oda said he wanted to depict a fantasy where the opposite happens.
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2. Only two old people of the manga have been shown to be weaker than their prime: Whitebeard and Rayleigh. Interesting to note is that Whitebeard grew weaker because of an illness, and Rayleigh grew weaker because he stopped fighting(said he hadn't picked up a sword in ages and was living a casual life). For people like Garp and Sengoku who are still fighting as Marines and don't have Whitebeard's illness, you can't say they're so much weaker that they're no longer top tier without actual proof of it.
That's not how that works. When a character is introduced with nothing to place them in the power scale, they remain an unknown variable in terms of debate. You can't use them say a character is strong, or a character is weak, until their placement in the power scale starts getting revealed.
Except Blackbeard stated they needed a battle ship because of Sanjuan Wolf's size, and they couldn't travel without it. And this still doesn't change that Blackbeard said he wasn't strong enough for Akainu either.
How am I supposed to know? The fact of the matter is though, you can't say a character wants to be Pirate King unless that's been shown in the manga.
That's not what he said though. He said he needs a character he can develop instead of just starting powerful, and gave Akainu as an example of the latter. Oda's words didn't convey anything about developing Akainu at all, since he gave him as an example to be the opposite of a character that would develop.
"When creating a protagonist, it is important not to make him too strong.
For example, if Akainu became the protagonist, I could put an end to ONE PIECE within a year."
This is a false equivalence. Saying Akainu is strong enough to become Pirate King in a year is not the same thing as saying he's stronger than Kaido.
Where did you even get this from in my post?
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Fodder Marines knew about that. U think Top Tier guys in NW will have no clue that 2of the Yonkos are facing each other :elmo:
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So u are still adamant on your theory that BB ran away because he thought Shanks was 100% and BB's crew wasn't :elmo:
Dude... This is not a "theory".. I was simply explaining the difference in why BB would be down to fight the WG/Marines (Sengoku, Admirals, Garp, etc.) But not want to fight Shanks and the Red Hair pirates at that time.
You said it seemed like everyone knew about Shanks having a scuffle with Kaido..
I asked if there was a scan that showed BB specifically knowing about that Shanks and Kaido scuffle..
You didn't provide one..
Anything else you want to talk about?
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Nope u clearly said BB thought Shanks and his crew is 100% and he and his crew wasn't. This statement is wrong because his crew hardly fought anybody at MF except shooting WB.
Now BB was ready to fight Akainu and 4other admiral lvl guys. Garp had hardly done anything. Only Admiral who showed some signs of injury was Akainu and Sengoku. With some degree Aokiji was also shown without any injury and Kizaru didn't even flinch when Beckman threatened him not to go behind Luffy.
This proves he didn't left MF because Shanks was 100% or anything rather he thought it would be too much to fight a Yonko at the same time Marines will be waiting for an opportunity to either capture or kill him.
Yes Kaido and Shanks fight was discussed by a marine and VA Momonga before MF(if I m not wrong it was in Impel Down arc)
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and when Shanks entered MF it was said specifically that till yesterday they were engaged in some sort of fight.
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Do u think Top tiers in NW won't know this???
They have proper channels to gather Intel. BM's crew intercepted Sunny and found Ceasar in Dressrosa. Jack found Zou twice also knew exact location where Marines were with Doffy. This proves top tiers keeps tabs on a lot of things.
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