You said "In fact, Blackbeard calmly left Shanks while he was screaming in fear as he ran from Akainu." and given context that is wrong....only pointing that out....also he didn't admit to anything...this isn't a video game, there is no regen so why risk fighting someone when there isn't any reward??? look at what akainu did to Kuzan....BB is smart, he only fights when he sees benefit. for himself.....like a pirate would do
You totally misread my post. I'm not an idiot that is what I meant regarding BM. Looking back at it I could have worded it better but I was typing quickly. Also, he said can you show me where admirals were hyped more than a yonko and I said no because they were never hyped more than a yonko they were hyped equal to a yonko.
There are people who can be on the same level yet a slight notch below the person who they are in the same tier with. For example madara and hashirama. Itachiminato, who me the same level of hype an admiral gets that the yonko get, do you see fujitora getting as much hype as BM or do yu see akainu getting as much hype as kaido. Those are all in favor of the yonko.
Except Blackbeard was fighting the World Government and was going to continue fighting them to sink Marineford because he just felt like it. He had nothing to gain from fighting them that he couldn't gain from fighting Shanks. Not to mention that Blackbeard said "I'm not ready for you yet," when facing Shanks, and used the exact same words for Akainu, AND he had something to gain there(a battleship for his crew).
Sorry, I was stoned when I read your post.
It's dumb to say "Do you see Akainu getting the same hype as Kaido" because no one has the same hype as Kaido.
Lmfao what context? You throw this buzzword around a lot. There is no "context" that differentiates the two situations. Shanks came to fight, and Teach said "I'm not ready to fight you." Akainu showed up, and he said the exact same thing. He didn't say shit about "I have nothing to gain" from fighting you, he said "I'm not ready." So "Teach only fights when he has something to benefit" doesn't apply here, especially when Teach was trying to sink Marineford.
Again, wanted to sink Marineford for nothing but fun, had no benefit to doing that. And if you try to say "The benefit is getting rid of enemies" or "The benefit is gaining notoriety," he could have done both of those by fighting Shanks, meaning you'd contradict your own argument.
Wrong, he needed a battleship, and Akainu was on a battleship. So defeating Akainu did have benefit, and he couldn't. Not only that, but just like with Shanks, Blackbeard gave his reason to leaving as being because he wasn't strong enough, not because he had nothing to gain.
lmfao, and?
Except Akainu has the same hype as Shanks. Not only that, but Oda saying Akainu has the strength to become Pirate King in a year is hype that he's up there with Yonko, considering that Emperors like Big Mom and Blackbeard who have been part of the Yonko for years have failed to become Pirate King.
Fujitora maybe, but Kizaru has the same feats and hype Akainu did by overpowering Whitebeard(though WB was ACTUALLY weakened at the time.)
I don't know, Luffy slept for three days after his fight with Doflamingo and didn't appear weakened at all, so we can't say he was still reeling from that or anything.
So? BB underestimated sengoku and then more and more top tiers came in and he came back to his senses. You're acting like characters are 100% logical, the dude just got GG no mi and went on a test ride that he was shaking the area of his own subordiantes. SO that point is out the window.
Underestimated Sengoku? Blackbeard left Sengoku covered in bandages, it's safe to say he didn't underestimate him at all. @Bolded: And Blackbeard couldn't do that by fighting Shanks? Again, your logic makes no sense.
Lmfao you're so full of BS. No one uses Shanks scaring off Blackbeard as hype? Yeah, tell that to the dozens of people who bring up Shanks stopping the war. The fact of the matter is, Teach reacted to Akainu the same way he did an Emperor, and he gave the exact same reason for both. Blackbeard is a common denominator between the two.
That's the point though. Akainu was too strong for Blackbeard, DESPITE the fact that Blackbeard had something to gain if he did win. You said he had nothing to gain, that is false because Akainu had something Blackbeard needed. Blackbeard deciding his chances of winning was too small to get what he needed doesn't change that you were wrong about him having nothing to gain from winning if he fought Akainu.
No it doesn't. Big Mom, for instance, has no hype that exceeds Akainu being viewed the same as Shanks in Teach's eyes, or Oda's statement that Akainu could become Pirate King in a single year while Big Mom has been trying for ages and has yet to succeed.
Yh but at the moment I feel like BM and Kaido have had more hype because they are more relevant. BB and Shanks will get more hype when they become more relevant.
It was that midget guy who acted like Neptune's counsellor right? I remember Neptune being surprised about the bombs when they found out it was stolen.
How?
Naruhodo! So Oda refuses to let slip any mystery..... Contents of tamatebako remain hidden. But the Way Stussy acted CP-0 has no clue for sure.
So it's that whole argument- whether strongest being include People or just rest of the things.
well sengoku and garp, and then more and more top tiers came in so yea I would leave if i was him. i dnt see where you see a problem with that.
Jesus Christ
First of all, Blackbeard was no slouch. The dude ****ed up Sengoku, a top tier, at Marineford, so the dude was definitely packing a punch at the time.
WHAT? A ship is absolutely important to a pirate voyage. Did you miss all of Water 7 and what damage to the Merry meant for their voyage? That ship was something they absolutely needed.
You know what separates BB's situation from those other situations? It was stated on-screen that Blackbeard wasn't ready for either man. We KNOW the reason that BB decided not to fight Shanks and Akainu was that he wasn't strong enough. Argument doesn't apply.
Kaido's goal isn't even to be Pirate King though.
Nope. This doesn't apply either. Oda specifically said that he had to develop Luffy's strength progressively and that if he made him too strong, the series would end quickly. And he cited Akainu, saying that Akainu as the main character would end the manga in a year because of his power. Your "the MC progresses and get stronger" argument falls apart on itself because Oda was talking about a main character that is too strong, and used Akainu as the OPPOSITE of a MC that gets stronger as the story goes on. He also didn't say jack shit about allies, and made these statements about Akainu's individual, personal power.
Kaido has hype above EVERY character, INCLUDING the other Emperors, you dolt.
Yea an old sengoku, youre acting like the sengoku is in his prime years fighting shiki.
Post evidence that Sengoku is significantly weaker, if weaker at all, than his prime.
First of ****ing all, no one thing determines ranking. You're gonna need feats and hype for it, which Akainu has. Secondly, becoming an Emperor and clashing evenly with the World's Strongest Man are both solid feats/hype. Big Mom also included Shanks in the people she could have beaten if she had the Giants on her side, indicating that Shanks is too much for her as her power and crew stands now, aka, hype above another Emperor. Thirdly, Shanks is an EMPEROR. The fact that Akainu's power was paralleled with an Emperor's shows that he's in that general level.
This doesn't at all refute anything I said, especially considering Cipher Pol agents aren't part of the Navy.
This doesn't really diminish the feat at all. This is still a Teach with the two most powerful fruits of their class and capable of injuring a top tier like Sengoku. Also, "inexperienced" is a stupid thing to call a man who fought with and sailed with the World's Strongest Man in the New World for TWENTY YEARS.
I'm not at all talking about the emotional complications of the ship, I'm talking about the fact that the Strawhats' voyage came to a complete halt until they could get a new ship. It was said time and time again that unless they repaired Merry or got a new vessel, they couldn't do anything in terms of adventure. Why do I even have to explain to you that a PIRATE VOYAGE needs a SHIP? Seriously, think about that for a second: You're telling me a ship isn't important for a pirate that has to travel the sea. Contemplate that before you reply.
How do I know? The man said his dream is to have a crew of all Zoan users. He's never expressed wanting to be Pirate King, so you can't use that as an argument.
Oda's point was that he needed to make a main character who wasn't too strong. His point was that a main character has to have their strength develop and progress throughout the series in order for the story to be told properly.
