[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 856 Discussion and 857 Predictions

[Punk Hazard]

Why do you assume Luffy and Law alliance will;

A. take Caesar after WCI? They have no more need for him or affiliation with him. You're not hanging onto the idea that Caesar will become a SH are you? You think they'd be able to use him as a bargaining tool against Kaidou, the man you said will kill them? Even if he'd accept do you think that's something Luffy would do at this point, he's more stubborn now that he's stronger than he ever was?

This is the only good point against the storyline you've made so far. I dunno tbh

B. Continue to sail together after Wano? Which in the scneario you propose would need to happen for Kaidou to find them later, and for that matter why (for the sake of story) would Kaidou need to go looking for Law and Luffy when the story already has them heading to his territory?

Because they have Kaido coming after them? Because teaming up until they've dealt with Kaido somehow is the best idea they've got?

C. You realize the odds that fight would then be off paneled anyway if that's how it happened since again the primary focus of this story if Luffy and SH's so that clash would happen but our viewpoint would follow our lead and we'd not see it

For one thing, you mean like how we didn't see Teach vs Ace?

Secondly, even if it was off-paneled, which I'd hope it won't be, it'd still service the story. The only thing that would be lost is us seeing it happen, and while that would be a shame, it doesn't change anything about what I said.

And if they both showed up and wanted Caesar but SH's ahd them why would they attack each other right off the bat? Why wouldn't they logically attack who was holding Caesar first, then fight for who gets him?

Why can't they? You're acting like only this can happen.

 

[Love Cook]

Can't wait to find out how the SH's will handle this. No matter what there will be one group here that will look like complete idiots because Luffy did(n't) beat Big Mom in the end.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Can't wait to find out how the SH's will handle this. No matter what there will be one group here that will look like complete idiots because Luffy did(n't) beat Big Mom in the end.

Honestly, have any of us even argued that their storyline WON'T happen? If the "Big Mom falls now" storyline happens instead, we were still right about the Kaido vs Big Mom storyline being better and having the development for it to happen.

I'm pretty sure Mystikk has been the only person arguing whether or not they will happen instead of whether or not they should happen.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

The best storyline would be if Big Mom and Kaido face off but Luffy interrupts them and beats them both at the same time, alone.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The best storyline would be if Big Mom and Kaido face off but Luffy interrupts them and beats them both at the same time, alone.

He then declares that he's going to low-diff Roger.

 

[Love Cook]

Honestly, have any of us even argued that their storyline WON'T happen? If the "Big Mom falls now" storyline happens instead, we were still right about the Kaido vs Big Mom storyline being better and having the development for it to happen.

I'm pretty sure Mystikk has been the only person arguing whether or not they will happen instead of whether or not they should happen.

Yea I've never said that it won't happen because I'm not a psychic, I've only argued that Luffy being unable to beat Big Mom now would make more sense for the story.

 

[Mystikk]

Yea I've never said that it won't happen because I'm not a psychic, I've only argued that Luffy being unable to beat Big Mom now would make more sense for the story.

Both of you been said not only will luffy not fight or defeat bigmom but also that it would be bad writing, changing what you said makes no difference once she is defeated this arc you both will be trying to change your post. Because thats what bandwagoners do.

First it was luffy wont fight bigmom he is too weak from cracker and he is captured. ..

then it was luffy and co will excape because thats the only option yall thought would be logical for your theories..

Now your saying your arguement has always been if luffy should or shouldnt fight big mom????? Wrong yall been argueing that kaido vs bigmom would happen not what we want so stop the lies man. Stop tryna make yourselves not look likes fools before big mom gets taken down.

dont worry ill go find both post from you and riker so when yall try to lie ill post exactly what yall said, so everybody can know not to take your post seriously.

What kind of person lies about your views to make yourself look like you want both predictions to happen.??. losers hypocritical blogging ass people lol

 

[Punk Hazard]

Both of you been said not only will luffy not fight or defeat bigmom but also that it would be bad writing, changing what you said makes no difference once she is defeated this arc you both will be trying to change your post. Because thats what bandwagoners do.

First it was luffy wont fight bigmom he is too weak from cracker and he is captured. ..

then it was luffy and co will excape because thats the only option yall thought would be logical for your theories..

Now your saying your arguement has always been if luffy should or shouldnt fight big mom????? Wrong yall been argueing that kaido vs bigmom would happen not what we want so stop the lies man. Stop tryna make yourselves not look likes fools before big mom gets taken down.

dont worry ill go find both post from you and riker so when yall try to lie ill post exactly what yall said, so everybody can know not to take your post seriously since you wana change your views to make yourself look like you want both predictions to happen.. losers hypocritical blogging asses

Can you show us where we said it was a guarantee to happen? Cause I'm pretty sure in this very thread we've had people say this and we already cleared up that we didn't.

 

[Love Cook]

Both of you been said not only will luffy not fight or defeat bigmom but also that it would be bad writing, changing what you said makes no difference once she is defeated this arc you both will be trying to change your post. Because thats what bandwagoners do.

First it was luffy wont fight bigmom he is too weak from cracker and he is captured. ..

then it was luffy and co will excape because thats the only option yall thought would be logical for your theories..

Now your saying your arguement has always been if luffy should or shouldnt fight big mom????? Wrong yall been argueing that kaido vs bigmom would happen not what we want so stop the lies man. Stop tryna make yourselves not look likes fools before big mom gets taken down.

dont worry ill go find both post from you and riker so when yall try to lie ill post exactly what yall said, so everybody can know not to take your post seriously.

What kind of person lies about your views to make yourself look like you want both predictions to happen.??. losers hypocritical blogging ass people lol

Yeah go ahead you can quote me on it, in the meanwhile can you try not to talk or type like some third rate ghetto thug. It's already bad enough that I somehow ended up in a conversation with someone who can barely read and type.

EDIT:

Gah, I can't be bothered with it to wait, so I already found my post for you. So now you can stop the slander and go back to your little corner to cry some more.

Also I've bolded some of the words for reading pleasure, so it's extra clear what is a theory and an opinion and what is presented as a fact.

Don't talk about making sense from a story telling perspective because your story line is as dull as it gets. It sounds like the grand war of Naruto or a random arc in Fairy Tail. No matter what through the power of friendship and inherited powers we will overcome even the strongest enemies.

I've already said this a million time on this forum but I'll give the short version one more time. This is my theory:

The Yonkou war arc started on Punk Hazard when Luffy and Law made their alliance to take down the yonkou. It kicked off as soon as they captured Ceasar Clown.

Ceasar Clown is the one that completes Kaidou's army by making smiles and completes Big Mom's army by developing a giantification method.

The first one down the line that was directly influenced by the capture of Ceasar was Doffy as the underworld broker, because if he didn't deliver Kaidou would be coming for his head. By taking him out, they put the wrath of Kaidou on themselves. Luffy already started a fued with Big Mom on Fishman island. To complete the parallel both of them have a road poneglyph which means they have to visit both islands.

So I believe that the Whole Cake Island arc is Big Mom's introduction arc. In the mean time the story is not really that much about Big Mom but 75% about the Vinsmokes. At the end of this arc the Vinsmoke story will be dealt with. Seeing how the next arc is Wano I think we're going to see a similar set-up where Zoro and co will explore the island and deal with the Samurai storyline with Kaidou in the background. Making the Wano arc the Kaidou introduction arc.

At the end of both arc the SH's have thrown a last big wrench in the plans, leaving behind 2 furious yonkou coming after them. But in the meantime almost all the Supernova's have gathered over the course of the last 3 arcs with the exception of Bonney. I think the supernova's will stir up the world once more much to annoyance of the WG because they will be the cause of a yonkou clash.

I think Big Mom will collide with Kaidou when they're after the strawhats and a war will spark between them over Ceasar Clown and the other road poneglyph.

in my opinion THAT is good story I like to see being told in Oda fashion. I don't think Luffy is ready to face a yonkou, his yonkou win will come versus Blackbeard.

Also, what I'm willing to bet if Luffy beats Big Mom in this arc ? I will change my avatar to a picture of Zoro. That would amuse a lot of people here I thinl. But I'm confident I'll have Sanji there for the rest of the year.

See how I'm not sure about what is going to happen and how I'm not trying to sell people what I'm saying. I'm just participating in a discussion and giving my opinion on what I THINK is a good route for the rest of One Piece. That is basically what a discussion and prediction thread is for.

So you can now kindly fuck off, if you want to lie about what I've posted some more, you can still go through my post history and try to find something else, but don't worry I've already done that for you. It is more of the same.

Have a nice day

 

[LBeezy]

Yeah go ahead you can quote me on it, in the meanwhile can you try not to talk or type like some third rate ghetto thug. It's already bad enough that I somehow ended up in a conversation with someone who can barely read and type.

EDIT:

Gah, I can't be bothered with it to wait, so I already found my post for you. So now you can stop the slander and go back to your little corner to cry some more.

Also I've bolded some of the words for reading pleasure, so it's extra clear what is a theory and an opinion and what is presented as a fact.



See how I'm not sure about what is going to happen and how I'm not trying to sell people what I'm saying. I'm just participating in a discussion and giving my opinion on what I THINK is a good route for the rest of One Piece. That is basically what a discussion and prediction thread is for.

So you can now kindly fuck off, if you want to lie about what I've posted some more, you can still go through my post history and try to find something else, but don't worry I've already done that for you. It is more of the same.

Have a nice day

If our bet is still on, I still think that a Zoro ava is far from "punishment".. and actually just a dope ava..

What do you think?

Hbu change your avatar to Zoro hitting Sanji or something like that..

I don't expect either of us to change our ava to Big Mom.

 

[Love Cook]

If our bet is still on, I still think that a Zoro ava is far from "punishment".. and actually just a dope ava..

What do you think?

Hbu change your avatar to Zoro hitting Sanji or something like that..

I don't expect either of us to change our ava to Big Mom.

Yes the bet is still on but you will change it to Big Mom, those are my terms. You can pick anything for my avatar too. Because I still believe in my theory, how about you ?

 

[LBeezy]

Yes the bet is still on but you will change it to Big Mom, those are my terms. You can pick anything for my avatar too. Because I still believe in my theory, how about you ?

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[chopstickchakra]

Why do you assume Luffy and Law alliance will;

A. take Caesar after WCI? They have no more need for him or affiliation with him. You're not hanging onto the idea that Caesar will become a SH are you? You think they'd be able to use him as a bargaining tool against Kaidou, the man you said will kill them? Even if he'd accept do you think that's something Luffy would do at this point, he's more stubborn now that he's stronger than he ever was?

This is the only good point against the storyline you've made so far. I dunno tbh



Because they have Kaido coming after them? Because teaming up until they've dealt with Kaido somehow is the best idea they've got?


For one thing, you mean like how we didn't see Teach vs Ace?

Secondly, even if it was off-paneled, which I'd hope it won't be, it'd still service the story. The only thing that would be lost is us seeing it happen, and while that would be a shame, it doesn't change anything about what I said.



Why can't they? You're acting like only this can happen.

I didn't say couldn't or can't I said wouldn't. I'm asking what makes it more likely to you that they'd attack each other right off the bat rather than attack the SH's? You said they'd be fleeing an angry BM and Kaidou would be after them plus they'd have Caesar, all of those point to the logical conclusion that the SH's would get double teamed by Yonkous.

And the Teach Ace match was a stomp what'd it take 10 minutes? Let's not try and compare a battle between two Yonkou with a man capable of scarring Shanks and a Yonkou commander.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Yea I've never said that it won't happen because I'm not a psychic, I've only argued that Luffy being unable to beat Big Mom now would make more sense for the story.

Luffy on his own though is unable to beat BM just like he was unable to beat Doffy but he still managed to defeat him thanks to a lot of help. Why would BM falling at the wedding be vastly different than DR? Both situations saw(would see) 2 Novas work together to beat a Yonkou. Sanji, Chopper, Nami and Brook missed out on being key roles at DR and just conveniently happen to be here now. Both cases would have Luffy fighting an opponent above his individual limit.

 

[Love Cook]

Luffy on his own though is unable to beat BM just like he was unable to beat Doffy but he still managed to defeat him thanks to a lot of help. Why would BM falling at the wedding be vastly different than DR? Both situations saw(would see) 2 Novas work together to beat a Yonkou. Sanji, Chopper, Nami and Brook missed out on being key roles at DR and just conveniently happen to be here now. Both cases would have Luffy fighting an opponent above his individual limit.

On Dressrosa the entire island hated Doffy and wanted him gone, Luffy had help from forces from all around the New World. On whole cake island it is the exact opposite. Here everyone on the island is against Luffy and his friends, so he doesn't have the momentum nor the manpower.

His strongest allies are Jimbei, Sanji and Bege. And there are at least 2 sweet commanders and a assload of bishops left. We sas the struggle Luffy had with Cracker, how sure are you about it that Jimbe or bege can roll up Katakuri or Smoothie ?

Besides will Luffy beat his first yonkou with half of his crew missing ? Without Zoro being there ?

Law gave them a 30% chance to be able to take down Kaido, that was not taking into account that Luffy would sail off to Big Mom's home turf to start a war. He wanted to use Doflamingo to weaken Kaidou. Doflamingo who shit himself hearing that Kaidou might be coming for him. That same Doflamingo Luffy needed an island full of allies for to beat him.

Also Big mom has wedding guests coming in that are all allied to her, and Luffy is only there with 4 Strawhats, 2 minks and 1 fishman. So help me do the math here. What help are you talking about ? There is not much going on for Luffy while in the middle of BM territory.

I think they will save the Vinsmoke, help them see the doublecross. Promise Sanji that they won't go after Zeff after he showed his dad his worth to the family. That gets rid of Sanji's number 2 and 3 concern. That is enough to pack up their shit and run to the Sunny.

 

[LBeezy]

Luffy > Big Mom

 

[chopstickchakra]

On Dressrosa the entire island hated Doffy and wanted him gone, Luffy had help from forces from all around the New World. On whole cake island it is the exact opposite. Here everyone on the island is against Luffy and his friends, so he doesn't have the momentum nor the manpower.

His strongest allies are Jimbei, Sanji and Bege. And there are at least 2 sweet commanders and a assload of bishops left. We sas the struggle Luffy had with Cracker, how sure are you about it that Jimbe or bege can roll up Katakuri or Smoothie ?

Besides will Luffy beat his first yonkou with half of his crew missing ? Without Zoro being there ?

Law gave them a 30% chance to be able to take down Kaido, that was not taking into account that Luffy would sail off to Big Mom's home turf to start a war. He wanted to use Doflamingo to weaken Kaidou. Doflamingo who shit himself hearing that Kaidou might be coming for him. That same Doflamingo Luffy needed an island full of allies for to beat him.

Also Big mom has wedding guests coming in that are all allied to her, and Luffy is only there with 4 Strawhats, 2 minks and 1 fishman. So help me do the math here. What help are you talking about ? There is not much going on for Luffy while in the middle of BM territory.

I think they will save the Vinsmoke, help them see the doublecross. Promise Sanji that they won't go after Zeff after he showed his dad his worth to the family. That gets rid of Sanji's number 2 and 3 concern. That is enough to pack up their shit and run to the Sunny.

Well both commanders were taken out by Nova so I'm gonna lean in Capone's favor on that one. Plus don't you think it's just a little coincidental we still haven't even seen the 4th commander and we have Bege running in the shadows making moves offing members of BM's crew(Pekoms and Bobbins)

Also, most(if not all) of BM's wedding guests are forced to be there. All of DR helped Luffy fight back once they saw there was a chance he'd win so following trend, once they saw BM's influence threatened at the wedding they could pull a "Gladiators" move and help fight BM's army. That would effectively and essentially replicate the DR Colosseum fighters inclusion. Then we saw how scared her own citizens were of her they could act just as the people of DR did. Jinbei and Capone were allied with her and we see how that played out.

I just figured I'd point out some of the similarities about here and DR. As for the Vinsmokes they have no reason to attack Zeff once they learn BM intended to kill them because they then have no need for Sanji to go through with anything and if they don't need him then they don't need to threaten Zeff either. Based on Judge's personality and their attitude towards Sanji I don't logically see them allying with him if he can't beat the person they were trying to ally with.

 

[Itachi Minato]

Well both commanders were taken out by Nova so I'm gonna lean in Capone's favor on that one. Plus don't you think it's just a little coincidental we still haven't even seen the 4th commander and we have Bege running in the shadows making moves offing members of BM's crew(Pekoms and Bobbins)

Also, most(if not all) of BM's wedding guests are forced to be there. All of DR helped Luffy fight back once they saw there was a chance he'd win so following trend, once they saw BM's influence threatened at the wedding they could pull a "Gladiators" move and help fight BM's army. That would effectively and essentially replicate the DR Colosseum fighters inclusion. Then we saw how scared her own citizens were of her they could act just as the people of DR did. Jinbei and Capone were allied with her and we see how that played out.

I just figured I'd point out some of the similarities about here and DR. As for the Vinsmokes they have no reason to attack Zeff once they learn BM intended to kill them because they then have no need for Sanji to go through with anything and if they don't need him then they don't need to threaten Zeff either. Based on Judge's personality and their attitude towards Sanji I don't logically see them allying with him if he can't beat the person they were trying to ally with.

I do not see a yonko falling without half the SH there. Plus look at the amount of allies they are gathering to fight Kaido. You think this small number is enough to take out the top and 2 of the strongest fighters in BMs crew?

 

[Love Cook]

I do not see a yonko falling without half the SH there. Plus look at the amount of allies they are gathering to fight Kaido. You think this small number is enough to take out the top and 2 of the strongest fighters in BMs crew?

No of course not, but that is what denial looks like in text form.

 

[LBeezy]

I do not see a yonko falling without half the SH there. Plus look at the amount of allies they are gathering to fight Kaido. You think this small number is enough to take out the top and 2 of the strongest fighters in BMs crew?

Big Mom is weak sauce..

The people on WCI at the moment are enough to defeat her.