[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 855 Discussion and 856 Predictions.

[Love Cook]

So after last chapter I realized that there is a problem that somehow needs to be solved for some of the main contenders for the Pirate King title in One Piece.

The road to Raftel.

How will Blackbeard for example get to Raftel as a big antagonist of the story. Even if he has the missing 4th Road poneglyph he still needs to at least 2 more to have an indication and 3 for a precise location. On top of that he needs to figure out how to read them.

So with the SH's leaving behind the Poneglyphs and only taking prints. Is Big Mom being set up for a visit from the BlackBeard pirates after Luffy has left the island ?

Blackbeard seems to have a tenancy to follow Luffy around and appear where he has been, he is always one step behind but so far he always had the upper hand. Like on Jaya, Impel Down, Marine Ford. And even with his brothers Ace and Sabo. So I think this trend will continue with Blackbeard still being on Luffy's heels but playing the New World game better than he is.

So in order to get to Raftel BB needs to get his hands dirty and visit some yonkou's and/or Zou, or go after Robin. I wonder how Oda is going to tackle this problem.

 

[Caliburn]

So after last chapter I realized that there is a problem that somehow needs to be solved for some of the main contenders for the Pirate King title in One Piece.

The road to Raftel.

How will Blackbeard for example get to Raftel as a big antagonist of the story. Even if he has the missing 4th Road poneglyph he still needs to at least 2 more to have an indication and 3 for a precise location. On top of that he needs to figure out how to read them.

So with the SH's leaving behind the Poneglyphs and only taking prints. Is Big Mom being set up for a visit from the BlackBeard pirates after Luffy has left the island ?

Blackbeard seems to have a tenancy to follow Luffy around and appear where he has been, he is always one step behind but so far he always had the upper hand. Like on Jaya, Impel Down, Marine Ford. And even with his brothers Ace and Sabo. So I think this trend will continue with Blackbeard still being on Luffy's heels but playing the New World game better than he is.

So in order to get to Raftel BB needs to get his hands dirty and visit some yonkou's and/or Zou, or go after Robin. I wonder how Oda is going to tackle this problem.

That counts for everyone who wants to find the One Piece. It's pretty much a given that if you want to become the Pirate King, you will have to overcome all the Yonkou, so that's nothing new and Roger did it, didn't he? And without being able to read Poneglyph as he used the Voice of All Things. Even if you don't have the innate ability for it, according to Big Mom you can get it via the Three-Eyed tribe and you can't rule out the possibility that there are alternative approaches. After all it makes little sense that the people who left behind the Poneglyph used an indestructible substance to make sure they would survive, but marked them with a hidden code not calculating in the issue that no one might be able to read it. This is also something Whitbeard alluded on, namely that Roger was waiting for 'certain' people. Also the Strawhats have copies of BM's Poneglyphs, so it's not even necessary anymore to go after the original ones.

And I think it's reasonably certain that having the four RP is an absolute requirement and using only three of them to get a general idea where Raftel might be, is not going to work. That implies someone could randomly stumble upon Raftel without any prior knowledge. There should be much more to it than merely drawing a cross on a map.

In the end though this is really not something new. Even before the RP were introduced, we knew the Poneglyph were vital and that the road to Raftel goes past all the Yonkou. How this all will unfold, well that's why we read this series, so it feels like you're kinda kicking an open door in here as what were you originally expecting then?

 

[Love Cook]

That counts for everyone who wants to find the One Piece. It's pretty much a given that if you want to become the Pirate King, you will have to overcome all the Yonkou, so that's nothing new and Roger did it, didn't he? And without being able to read Poneglyph as he used the Voice of All Things. Even if you don't have the innate ability for it, according to Big Mom you can get it via the Three-Eyed tribe and you can't rule out the possibility that there are alternative approaches. After all it makes little sense that the people who left behind the Poneglyph used an indestructible substance to make sure they would survive, but marked them with a hidden code not calculating in the issue that no one might be able to read it. This is also something Whitbeard alluded on, namely that Roger was waiting for 'certain' people. Also the Strawhats have copies of BM's Poneglyphs, so it's not even necessary anymore to go after the original ones.

And I think it's reasonably certain that having the four RP is an absolute requirement and using only three of them to get a general idea where Raftel might be, is not going to work. That implies someone could randomly stumble upon Raftel without any prior knowledge. There should be much more to it than merely drawing a cross on a map.

In the end though this is really not something new. Even before the RP were introduced, we knew the Poneglyph were vital and that the road to Raftel goes past all the Yonkou. How this all will unfold, well that's why we read this series, so it feels like you're kinda kicking an open door in here as what were you originally expecting then?

Yeah I get what you're saying and I understand how the road to Raftel works for aspiring Pirate Kings. The thing I was wondering is in what state Big Mom will be left behind on her island. Because there is an option that she has to fight over Ceasar Clown with Kaidou (to make her giant army, while Kaidou needs him for Smile production) but Blackbeard is also going to need to pay a visit to that stone at some point. Unless he takes it from the SH's but I don't see a confrontation happening with Blackbeard any time soon. So Big Mom might be in for some yonkou on yonkou action.

So I agree everyone knows that you have to overcome all the yonkou if you want to rule the seas. But we're now at the point where others have to start moving because it is very likely that after the Wano arc Luffy will have his hands on 3/4 stones and has a way to decode them. That puts him with one leg one Raftel.

So it now is Blackbeards turn. How will he follow ?

 

[Tomato God]

I really hope there isnt match ups this arc just a good solid free for all where everyone can give off feats and or get hammered.

 

[Caliburn]

Yeah I get what you're saying and I understand how the road to Raftel works for aspiring Pirate Kings. The thing I was wondering is in what state Big Mom will be left behind on her island. Because there is an option that she has to fight over Ceasar Clown with Kaidou (to make her giant army, while Kaidou needs him for Smile production) but Blackbeard is also going to need to pay a visit to that stone at some point. Unless he takes it from the SH's but I don't see a confrontation happening with Blackbeard any time soon. So Big Mom might be in for some yonkou on yonkou action.

So I agree everyone knows that you have to overcome all the yonkou if you want to rule the seas. But we're now at the point where others have to start moving because it is very likely that after the Wano arc Luffy will have his hands on 3/4 stones and has a way to decode them. That puts him with one leg one Raftel.

So it now is Blackbeards turn. How will he follow ?

To be honest I completely forgot about CC xd It's funny though that his character has been tagging along for three arcs now.

I don't really get how CC is related to your previous post, but anyway I simply think that Kaidou doesn't know about him. The latter was a subordinate of DD and it's with him Kaidou did business. The fact that BM is requesting of CC that he proceeds with his giantification research, where he has hit a wall, and not his artificial DF research, that yielded positive results, is striking. So I don't think this will be a source of conflict between the two Yonkou as neither are aware of his role in the ADF business.

Personally I'm expecting that BM eventually will fall by being backstabbed by one of her own children. Her life philosophy is contradictory. On one hand she hammers on the close ties between family members, on the other hand she is highly suspicious about them, even borderline paranoid. During the course of this arc we received several subtle references to this, for example that only a select few are allowed to enter the treasury room and have one of her vivre-cards. That this doesn't fit well with many of her children has been clearly shown as at least two of her daughters didn't hesitate for a second to choose their husbands over BM. Lola then intentionally went against her and Opera held back important information out of fear of being killed.

And if I would make a guess who in particular would betray her, I would say Pudding. Her attitude towards BM gives off the vibe, at least to me, that she really isn't that happy to be BM's "pet". The only time we saw here true character, was in her conversation with Reiju and it was different from how she interacted with her mother. Also she has access to the Poneglyph and potentially the Voice of All Things. Last but not least IMO she would be perfect for BB's crew.

 

[Love Cook]

To be honest I completely forgot about CC xd It's funny though that his character has been tagging along for three arcs now.

I don't really get how CC is related to your previous post, but anyway I simply think that Kaidou doesn't know about him. The latter was a subordinate of DD and it's with him Kaidou did business. The fact that BM is requesting of CC that he proceeds with his giantification research, where he has hit a wall, and not his artificial DF research, that yielded positive results, is striking. So I don't think this will be a source of conflict between the two Yonkou as neither are aware of his role in the ADF business.

Personally I'm expecting that BM eventually will fall by being backstabbed by one of her own children. Her life philosophy is contradictory. On one hand she hammers on the close ties between family members, on the other hand she is highly suspicious about them, even borderline paranoid. During the course of this arc we received several subtle references to this, for example that only a select few are allowed to enter the treasury room and have one of her vivre-cards. That this doesn't fit well with many of her children has been clearly shown as at least two of her daughters didn't hesitate for a second to choose their husbands over BM. Lola then intentionally went against her and Opera held back important information out of fear of being killed.

And if I would make a guess who in particular would betray her, I would say Pudding. Her attitude towards BM gives off the vibe, at least to me, that she really isn't that happy to be BM's "pet". The only time we saw here true character, was in her conversation with Reiju and it was different from how she interacted with her mother. Also she has access to the Poneglyph and potentially the Voice of All Things. Last but not least IMO she would be perfect for BB's crew.

Pudding as Blackbeard Nakama would solve a lot of his problems. Can't wait to see how this all will play out.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Pudding as Blackbeard Nakama would solve a lot of his problems. Can't wait to see how this all will play out.

This would be a very interesting way to go. A lot of people have theorized that Bonney is a daughter of Big Mom's. And Teach asked Bonney to marry him after Marineford. It'd be an interesting connection if she really were and Teach ends up snagging Pudding.

 

[LBeezy]

To be honest I completely forgot about CC xd It's funny though that his character has been tagging along for three arcs now.

I don't really get how CC is related to your previous post, but anyway I simply think that Kaidou doesn't know about him. The latter was a subordinate of DD and it's with him Kaidou did business. The fact that BM is requesting of CC that he proceeds with his giantification research, where he has hit a wall, and not his artificial DF research, that yielded positive results, is striking. So I don't think this will be a source of conflict between the two Yonkou as neither are aware of his role in the ADF business.

Personally I'm expecting that BM eventually will fall by being backstabbed by one of her own children. Her life philosophy is contradictory. On one hand she hammers on the close ties between family members, on the other hand she is highly suspicious about them, even borderline paranoid. During the course of this arc we received several subtle references to this, for example that only a select few are allowed to enter the treasury room and have one of her vivre-cards. That this doesn't fit well with many of her children has been clearly shown as at least two of her daughters didn't hesitate for a second to choose their husbands over BM. Lola then intentionally went against her and Opera held back important information out of fear of being killed.

And if I would make a guess who in particular would betray her, I would say Pudding. Her attitude towards BM gives off the vibe, at least to me, that she really isn't that happy to be BM's "pet". The only time we saw here true character, was in her conversation with Reiju and it was different from how she interacted with her mother. Also she has access to the Poneglyph and potentially the Voice of All Things. Last but not least IMO she would be perfect for BB's crew.

Pudding as Blackbeard Nakama would solve a lot of his problems. Can't wait to see how this all will play out.

This would be a very interesting way to go. A lot of people have theorized that Bonney is a daughter of Big Mom's. And Teach asked Bonney to marry him after Marineford. It'd be an interesting connection if she really were and Teach ends up snagging Pudding.

This would be so freaking interesting if it happened!

Nice ideas guys!

 

[Mystikk]

This would be so freaking interesting if it happened!

Nice ideas guys!

I hope we still get to see sanji go all out.. its been awhile since we seen him in a decent fight with a formidable opponent. We knew he couldnt do anything to doffy so its like oda has been trolling us with sanji especially after we seen zorro cut pica in half.. and luffy reveal gear 4th.

Im starting to like the idea of luffy leaving so he can gain more strength to fight kaido rather then just go fight bigmom after he eats.. im guessing luffy will only take out 2 yankou in onepiece .. kaido.. and blackbeard.

Im sure bigmom will be defeated by kaido or blackbeard now that i read you guys theories.. and im sure shankks will fight blackbeard again maybe even losing, before luffy faces blackbeard to avenge shankks or somthing

 

[LBeezy]

I hope we still get to see sanji go all out.. its been awhile since we seen him in a decent fight with a formidable opponent. We knew he couldnt do anything to doffy so its like oda has been trolling us with sanji especially after we seen zorro cut pica in half.. and luffy reveal gear 4th.

Me too!

Maybe Oda isn't trolling though.. maybe he's just been saving something epic for Sanji that he hasn't shown us yet.. it could be shown this arc! Who knows..

I would love to see him take down a Sweet Commander!

Im starting to like the idea of luffy leaving so he can gain more strength to fight kaido rather then just go fight bigmom after he eats.. im guessing luffy will only take out 2 yankou in onepiece .. kaido.. and blackbeard.

Ehh.. idk yet.. I'm still hoping for Luffy to kick BM's ass by the end of this arc..

As it looks to me now, I think Bobbin might be able to put Sanji and Luffy to sleep some how with his DF ability.. Therefore making sure that they're both at the tea party..

(This would be after Luffy eats and speaks to Sanji of course..)

This would now mean that Luffy has

A. Eaten

And

B. Slept


So he'll be as fresh as ever to kick Big Mom's ass for sure!

No problem..

Im sure bigmom will be defeated by kaido or blackbeard now that i read you guys theories.. and im sure shankks will fight blackbeard again maybe even losing, before luffy faces blackbeard to avenge shankks or somthing

I agree..

I think the same things might happen..

I can't wait to see Shanks and BB meet up again!!

 

[Skull Knight]

Pudding as Blackbeard Nakama would solve a lot of his problems. Can't wait to see how this all will play out.

this will be interesting. I remember somebody said that BB's next target would be getting strongest zoan df which is obviously eaten by Kaido. that way BB could get Kaido's poneglyph too.

 

[Gintõki1]

The arc so far was more of a let down, but finally seeing Brook getting the spotlight was good. Could be such an awesome character if Oda would know how to give character development or stop focusing only on certain characters feats.

 

[Caliburn]

Pudding as Blackbeard Nakama would solve a lot of his problems. Can't wait to see how this all will play out.

In the end Pudding is actually nothing more than a prisoner. When she was talking to the Strawhats for the first time, she mentioned how she admired Lola. This was most likely an attempt of her in trying to gain the Strawhat's trust, but at the time she didn't know they had a connection with Lola. Afterwards we see her having some one-panel flashbacks of her talking to Lola and BM:

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So this implies to me she has issues with being tied down and would to break free from BM's restraints. Joining the crew of a rival Yonkou would probably be the biggest 'in your face' Pudding could ever preform towards her mother. She at least has the twisted personality for the BB crew, in fact her character concept reminds me of Shiryuu a bit and how he joined BB.

This also would make the relationship between Pudding and Sanji transcend the current arc.

This would be a very interesting way to go. A lot of people have theorized that Bonney is a daughter of Big Mom's. And Teach asked Bonney to marry him after Marineford. It'd be an interesting connection if she really were and Teach ends up snagging Pudding.

I've never been keen on that theory and IMO it has largely been invalidated during this arc. It was mostly based on the observations that Bonney had peculiar red lips and was a glutton, two traits strongly associated with BM. However during this arc we have met countless of her children and we've learned that barely, I even think none, of her children has both traits.

Adding to that Bonney comes officially from South Blue, while normally if you marry into the Linlin family you have to live with BM. The fact that it apparently was such a scandal that Lola left shows that this was highly unusual, so why isn't Bonney mentioned anywhere then? Lola also went from the New World to Paradise, while Bonney went into the opposite direction. So she really doesn't fit the profile.

And considering BM has so many children whose lives she treats quite nonchalantly, I don't see a reason why Bonney now would be that valuable to the WG. Teach was most likely just kidding with the marriage thing.

I hope we still get to see sanji go all out.. its been awhile since we seen him in a decent fight with a formidable opponent. We knew he couldnt do anything to doffy so its like oda has been trolling us with sanji especially after we seen zorro cut pica in half.. and luffy reveal gear 4th.

Im starting to like the idea of luffy leaving so he can gain more strength to fight kaido rather then just go fight bigmom after he eats.. im guessing luffy will only take out 2 yankou in onepiece .. kaido.. and blackbeard.

Im sure bigmom will be defeated by kaido or blackbeard now that i read you guys theories.. and im sure shankks will fight blackbeard again maybe even losing, before luffy faces blackbeard to avenge shankks or somthing

I think it's safe to assume he's going to have a bout with his brothers and maybe his father too.

And it wouldn't be good for the story if a single person succeeds in subduing all the Yonkou while there are so many trying to do the same. What is imperative however, is that Luffy interacts with all of them and at this point a violent confrontation with Kaidou is inevitable, they are already amassing their troops. The point wasn't either to take down BM, but get her Poneglyph and Sanji.

No idea what exactly is going to happen, but it will be decided during the coming tea party and it will be pandemonium. The Tamatebako will explode, the Strawhats are going to do something, Capone might do something and the Germa 66 are really not going to let them be slaughtered that easily. So the one who will adjust to this chaos the fastest are the one who have the highest chance of achieving their objectives and within this context I really see it happen that Pudding at a certain point out of shear opportunism thinks that this is her chance to break free from her restraints.

The Strawhats will not be directly responsible for BM's downfall, but they will lead it in. This all is this just a hypothesis though. How Pudding concretely would end up with BB is conjecture at this stage. It might happen off panel, it might be that BB already has subordinates infiltrated in BM's entourage.

 

[Mystikk]

In the end Pudding is actually nothing more than a prisoner. When she was talking to the Strawhats for the first time, she mentioned how she admired Lola. This was most likely an attempt of her in trying to gain the Strawhat's trust, but at the time she didn't know they had a connection with Lola. Afterwards we see her having some one-panel flashbacks of her talking to Lola and BM:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

So this implies to me she has issues with being tied down and would to break free from BM's restraints. Joining the crew of a rival Yonkou would probably be the biggest 'in your face' Pudding could ever preform towards her mother. She at least has the twisted personality for the BB crew, in fact her character concept reminds me of Shiryuu a bit and how he joined BB.

This also would make the relationship between Pudding and Sanji transcend the current arc.



I've never been keen on that theory and IMO it has largely been invalidated during this arc. It was mostly based on the observations that Bonney had peculiar red lips and was a glutton, two traits strongly associated with BM. However during this arc we have met countless of her children and we've learned that barely, I even think none, of her children has both traits.

Adding to that Bonney comes officially from South Blue, while normally if you marry into the Linlin family you have to live with BM. The fact that it apparently was such a scandal that Lola left shows that this was highly unusual, so why isn't Bonney mentioned anywhere then? Lola also went from the New World to Paradise, while Bonney went into the opposite direction. So she really doesn't fit the profile.

And considering BM has so many children whose lives she treats quite nonchalantly, I don't see a reason why Bonney now would be that valuable to the WG. Teach was most likely just kidding with the marriage thing.



I think it's safe to assume he's going to have a bout with his brothers and maybe his father too.

And it wouldn't be good for the story if a single person succeeds in subduing all the Yonkou while there are so many trying to do the same. What is imperative however, is that Luffy interacts with all of them and at this point a violent confrontation with Kaidou is inevitable, they are already amassing their troops. The point wasn't either to take down BM, but get her Poneglyph and Sanji.

No idea what exactly is going to happen, but it will be decided during the coming tea party and it will be pandemonium. The Tamatebako will explode, the Strawhats are going to do something, Capone might do something and the Germa 66 are really not going to let them be slaughtered that easily. So the one who will adjust to this chaos the fastest are the one who have the highest chance of achieving their objectives and within this context I really see it happen that Pudding at a certain point out of shear opportunism thinks that this is her chance to break free from her restraints.

The Strawhats will not be directly responsible for BM's downfall, but they will lead it in. This all is this just a hypothesis though. How Pudding concretely would end up with BB is conjecture at this stage. It might happen off panel, it might be that BB already has subordinates infiltrated in BM's entourage.

Bro i never said 1 person would subdue all the yonko.. what are you talking about??? I clearly said luffy would fight kaido.. but first either kaido or bb would fight bigmom... and later bb might fight shankks after bigmom has been defeated and kaido has been defeated. I never said luffy or any yonko would beat all 4.

I know luffy has to interact with all 4 yonko but that doesnt mean he will beat all 4 or even fight all 4 .. like really why would he fight shankks lmao..

I understood the rest of your theory jus that first part you kinda put words in my mouth lol just proof read before u post bro. Lol

 

[Caliburn]

Bro i never said 1 person would subdue all the yonko.. what are you talking about??? I clearly said luffy would fight kaido.. but first either kaido or bb would fight bigmom... and later bb might fight shankks after bigmom has been defeated and kaido has been defeated. I never said luffy or any yonko would beat all 4.

I know luffy has to interact with all 4 yonko but that doesnt mean he will beat all 4 or even fight all 4 .. like really why would he fight shankks lmao..

I understood the rest of your theory jus that first part you kinda put words in my mouth lol just proof read before u post bro. Lol

I would suggest you take your own advice at heart as I merely elaborated further on what you said.

 

[LBeezy]

And it wouldn't be good for the story if a single person succeeds in subduing all the Yonkou while there are so many trying to do the same.

@bold is merely your opinion. Some people may disagree.


And with all due respect, what was everyone else doing while Luffy defeated (or teamed up with) Shichibukai after Shichibukai after Shichibukai?

Hypothetically, let's say Luffy doesn't have to fight Shanks, fights Big Mom with help from others, fights Kaido with help from others, and fights Blackbeard.. how is that "not good for the story"?

IMO these would be perfect credentials for the next Pirate King.

 

[Punk Hazard]

@bold is merely your opinion. Some people may disagree.


And with all due respect, what was everyone else doing while Luffy defeated (or teamed up with) Shichibukai after Shichibukai after Shichibukai?

Hypothetically, let's say Luffy doesn't have to fight Shanks, fights Big Mom with help from others, fights Kaido with help from others, and fights Blackbeard.. how is that "not good for the story"?

IMO these would be perfect credentials for the next Pirate King.

Because then you get Naruto and DBZ style of writing of "Let's introduce characters and then throw them away," which is crap.

 

[Itachi Minato]

@bold is merely your opinion. Some people may disagree.


And with all due respect, what was everyone else doing while Luffy defeated (or teamed up with) Shichibukai after Shichibukai after Shichibukai?

Hypothetically, let's say Luffy doesn't have to fight Shanks, fights Big Mom with help from others, fights Kaido with help from others, and fights Blackbeard.. how is that "not good for the story"?

IMO these would be perfect credentials for the next Pirate King.

It would be a clichy if Luffy beats all the current yonko. It would be far better imo if Luffy beats like one e.g Kaido and then defeats someone who defeats the others. I also think Luffy needs to have some kind of interaction with the rest of the supernovas. Laws an ally, maybe one or two more become allies then a few rivals. I would like the idea of some supernovas taking down a yonko. BM and Kaido have been around since Roger. He should have rivals from his own era.

 

[Tomato God]

That counts for everyone who wants to find the One Piece. It's pretty much a given that if you want to become the Pirate King, you will have to overcome all the Yonkou, so that's nothing new and Roger did it, didn't he? And without being able to read Poneglyph as he used the Voice of All Things. Even if you don't have the innate ability for it, according to Big Mom you can get it via the Three-Eyed tribe and you can't rule out the possibility that there are alternative approaches. After all it makes little sense that the people who left behind the Poneglyph used an indestructible substance to make sure they would survive, but marked them with a hidden code not calculating in the issue that no one might be able to read it. This is also something Whitbeard alluded on, namely that Roger was waiting for 'certain' people. Also the Strawhats have copies of BM's Poneglyphs, so it's not even necessary anymore to go after the original ones.

And I think it's reasonably certain that having the four RP is an absolute requirement and using only three of them to get a general idea where Raftel might be, is not going to work. That implies someone could randomly stumble upon Raftel without any prior knowledge. There should be much more to it than merely drawing a cross on a map.

In the end though this is really not something new. Even before the RP were introduced, we knew the Poneglyph were vital and that the road to Raftel goes past all the Yonkou. How this all will unfold, well that's why we read this series, so it feels like you're kinda kicking an open door in here as what were you originally expecting then?

It can't be a system of geometry that's perpendicular or even a specific point because you can draw a straight line and follow it. So you would only need 2 not 4 and go to sailors knowledge is using three lines that form a triangle to estimate starting points and a fourth point for orientation

I agree with mr talks too much sailing a pirate ship often required not four points but three lines and a point the three lines form a starting location and the point is your azmuth. You need all four

 

[Mystikk]

@bold is merely your opinion. Some people may disagree.


And with all due respect, what was everyone else doing while Luffy defeated (or teamed up with) Shichibukai after Shichibukai after Shichibukai?

Hypothetically, let's say Luffy doesn't have to fight Shanks, fights Big Mom with help from others, fights Kaido with help from others, and fights Blackbeard.. how is that "not good for the story"?

IMO these would be perfect credentials for the next Pirate King.

Yes bro i personally dont care the yonko can kill themselves off and luffy can fight the Marines. . or luffy could beat all the yonko including shankks and id still love onepiece.
People saying it would be bad writings or cliche arent really one piece fans.. they only want the story to go there way! Real onepiece fans are open to all changes because we just want to see luffy win!

I dont care which happens i just want him to become pirate king just like naruto wanting to become hokage.. o wait i dont want nobody saying its shittty writing so i guess it would b better if luffy loses to all the yonko trains forever then still doesnt become pirate king so the story wont b cliche like naruto hahaha. Hypocrisy man i tell yaa