[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 852 Discussion and 853 Predictions

[LBeezy]

What asspull?



I'm completely fine with the notion that Luffy eating right now will put him back to the full strength.

I'm not okay with the notion that eating any plain old food will make Luffy stronger than he was even before he was hungry.

That's the difference between the Big Mom situation and Luffy's situation. If Luffy wasn't hungry when he encountered Rob Lucci at the building in Water 7, he'd have been the same strength he was at during Enie's Lobby.

What you're suggesting is that Luffy would go from weaker than Cracker to as strong as Big Mom only through eating. Unless it's through Sanji's Attack Cuisine or something like that, then it doesn't make sense.



You keep throwing this word "haters" around. No one is hating on Luffy, you're just suggesting a really shitty scenario. If Luffy barely beat Cracker with help, what sense would it make for him to beat someone way stronger than Cracker that same day?



No, instead, you'd prefer for the writer of the manga to throw away decades of story-telling, world building, and connections between characters just to see the same cliched story for the 101st time.

Connections between Kaido and Big Mom:

1. Kaido defeated Gekko Moriah, the antagonist of the island where we meet Big Mom's daughter, Lola.

2. Luffy unveils Gear Fourth against Doflamingo. Gear Fourth bears a striking resemblance to Nightmare Luffy, who debuted against who? Gekko Moriah.

3. Doflamingo works for Kaido, the guy who defeated Gekko Moriah.

4. Big Mom's powers incredibly similarly to Gekko Moriah's

5. The fact that both Kaido and Big Mom want Caesar Clown is perfect for putting them against each other

6. A major plot point of Thriller Bark was Lola's zombie trying to force a wedding with Absalom. What food-themed island largely involves a wedding again?

And these are just the ones I remember off the top of my head right now. And you want Oda to throw away all of these connections by keeping Big Mom and Kaido two separate stories, despite perfectly setting up countless threads to sew them into the same path as Love Cook outlined? Please.

"Throw away decades of story-telling, world building, and connections between characters"

Wtf bro?

How does Luffy beating Big Mom equal that in anyway?

It's actually, literally the opposite. It's great story-telling and world building and connections between characters if Luffy beats Big Mom..

Stop dwelling on the idea that Luffy can never beat certain people.. it's very depressing to see such a great OP fan like yourself acing like this.

It's borderline hateful how you are towards Luffy..

 

[Love Cook]

"Throw away decades of story-telling, world building, and connections between characters"

Wtf bro?

How does Luffy beating Big Mom equal that in anyway?

It's actually, literally the opposite. It's great story-telling and world building and connections between characters if Luffy beats Big Mom..

Stop dwelling on the idea that Luffy can never beat certain people.. it's very depressing to see such a great OP fan like yourself acing like this.

It's borderline hateful how you are towards Luffy..

That has nothing to do with hate.

What you prefer is linear story writing. this is how Naruto is written. You can't accept if the main protagonist doesn't show growth and beats the next boss. But One Piece has shown to not follow this path multiple times. Impel Down and Marine Ford are examples of this.

A -> B -> C

One Piece is more of an expanding universe. Where Oda can go 1 step back to make 2 steps forward

A -> B -> A -> D

So I would be careful who you call hater when you don't really understand the story mechanics. Nobody is hating on Luffy here, but is Luffy really competing with a yonkou at this point in time ? I very much doubt that.

 

[LBeezy]

That has nothing to do with hate.

some of you members constantly hate on Luffy.. you decide if that includes you or not.. I was definitely talking to Riker in that post though, because he actually hates on Luffy.

What you prefer is linear story writing.

I'm sorry, but with all due respect, you can't tell me what type of story I "prefer"..

In fact, I prefer One Piece over ANY other story EVER created. So that's the type of story writing I prefer..

this is how Naruto is written. You can't accept if the main protagonist doesn't show growth and beats the next boss.

Lol

No.

But One Piece has shown to not follow this path multiple times. Impel Down and Marine Ford are examples of this.

I know. And I love those arcs..

Your comment so far is a giant fail if you think what you're saying about my preference is true bro.

A -> B -> C

One Piece is more of an expanding universe. Where Oda can go 1 step back to make 2 steps forward

A -> B -> A -> D

Oda is the g.o.a.t.

So I would be careful who you call hater

Lol

I'll call a spade a spade whenever I see fit.. all while being as carefree as can be..

when you don't really understand the story mechanics.

No offense.. but stop. Just stop.

I'm trying to be as respectful as possible, but the more you try to disrespect me, it's kind of hard for me to be as nice as I want to be..

You can say that I don't understand story mechanics.. but in reality it's the opposite..

You don't understand at all..

Oda would be dissapointed af with what you and Riker have been saying in this thread..

Nobody is hating on Luffy here, but is Luffy really competing with a yonkou at this point in time ? I very much doubt that.

Riker was for sure.. and I think a couple other members were too..

Competing?

BRUH manga facts... the MANGA shows Luffy's KKG causing more physical destruction than Big Mom ever did.. what she did during her rampage was laughable compared to G4.. yet all of her underlings on the island were scared shitless and in horror of it all.. imagine if they see a KKG hit Big Mom like it did Doflamingo.. they'll die in shock.

Luffy > Big Mom

Luffy > Big Mom

Luffy > Big Mom


Y'all over estimate her just because she's a Yonko.. but Yonko status is not just because of the captains strength in a fight bruh.. just like Riker always says that anyone who can make it to raftel is the next Pirate King.. the title has nothing to do with strength or how that person performs in a 1v1..


And you still keep dodging this question every time I ask you..

Is Buggy stronger than everyone in his crew? just because he is the captain?

What's your answer to that?


Are you physically stronger or weaker than your Mother in Real life right now?

If you and your real mother in real life fought right now, who would win?

 

[Mystikk]

That has nothing to do with hate.

What you prefer is linear story writing. this is how Naruto is written. You can't accept if the main protagonist doesn't show growth and beats the next boss. But One Piece has shown to not follow this path multiple times. Impel Down and Marine Ford are examples of this.

A -> B -> C

One Piece is more of an expanding universe. Where Oda can go 1 step back to make 2 steps forward

A -> B -> A -> D

So I would be careful who you call hater when you don't really understand the story mechanics. Nobody is hating on Luffy here, but is Luffy really competing with a yonkou at this point in time ? I very much doubt that.

You are a hater bro. If luffy beats big mom this arc your gonna be crying like a baby. She is the weakest among the yonko so shut up its a reason oda chose for the strawhats to meet bigmom before kaido or even black beard idiots.

Story mechanics. Lmao.. more like your pathetic point of views.. hahah

And comparing naruto to op does no justice your just so bias that any other opinion besides your own is wrong lmao.. when luffy beats big mom this arc i dont wana see u on the base anymore.. and if he doesnt i wont post on here anymore..

I dont care how he wins or who helps u just so sure that he is too weak and wont fight at all then bet me right now.

 

[Love Cook]

some of you members constantly hate on Luffy.. you decide if that includes you or not.. I was definitely talking to Riker in that post though, because he actually hates on Luffy.

I'm sorry, but with all due respect, you can't tell me what type of story I "prefer"..

In fact, I prefer One Piece over ANY other story EVER created. So that's the type of story writing I prefer.

I know. And I love those arcs..

Your comment so far is a giant fail if you think what you're saying about my preference is true bro.

Oda is the g.o.a.t

I'll call a spade a spade whenever I see fit.. all while being as carefree as can be..
No offense.. but stop. Just stop.

I'm trying to be as respectful as possible, but the more you try to disrespect me, it's kind of hard for me to be as nice as I want to be..

You can say that I don't understand story mechanics.. but in reality it's the opposite..

You don't understand at all..

Oda would be dissapointed af with what you and Riker have been saying in this thread..

Riker was for sure.. and I think a couple other members were too..

Competing?

BRUH manga facts... the MANGA shows Luffy's KKG causing more physical destruction than Big Mom ever did.. what she did during her rampage was laughable compared to G4.. yet all of her underlings on the island were scared shitless and in horror of it all.. imagine if they see a KKG hit Big Mom like it did Doflamingo.. they'll die in shock.

Luffy > Big Mom

Y'all over estimate her just because she's a Yonko.. but Yonko status is not just because of the captains strength in a fight bruh.. just like Riker always says that anyone who can make it to raftel is the next Pirate King.. the title has nothing to do with strength or how that person performs in a 1v1..

And you still keep dodging this question every time I ask you..

Is Buggy stronger than everyone in his crew? just because he is the captain?

What's your answer to that?

Are you physically stronger or weaker than your Mother in Real life right now?

If you and your real mother in real life fought right now, who would win?

There is no sense in arguing with you because your logic doesn't make any sense. I'm not going to put much more energy into explaining it. But I hope you don't throw a fit when Oda is the one who proves you wrong, and call everything bullshit.

You're right I don't know your preferences and you might even appreciate One Piece more than any other manga. But that may be due to the fact that there is a hidden layer of story telling that you get to read but don't understand. Because that is what I make up from your posts. If you were to rewrite One Piece and Oda would give you the begin and end points of each arc both of you would reach the end of that arc in a very different way.

You can be childish about it and say that Oda would be disappointed in me. But so far you haven't brought a single argument to the table that makes me think you understand what is going on. You laugh Riker's points away about multiple arc build up of the story, while that is exactly what is happening here. You asked me a lot of questions but tell me this, why is Cesar Clown still relevant after 3 story arcs, when he is a 'nobody' scientist ? Or why was Absalon (Moriah's crewmember) infiltrating the Kidd alliance, while that same alliance got wiped by Kaidou (Moriah's rival) a little later ? There are a lot of hidden motives and agenda's in play that you don't seem to grasp and are too difficult to end with a boss battle between Luffy and Big Mom.

I'm not saying Luffy should not beat Big Mom and I'm not questioning his power, because he is the next pirate king. But logic dictates that Big Mom's role (Or Kaidou's for that matter) can't be played out within this (or the Wano) arc.

Also your facts about destructive capabilities mean nothing. We have 20 years of data of Luffy rampaging, and we have like 2 pages of Big Mom throwing a fit over a missed meal ? Give me a break. Whitebeard had the power to create 2 tsunamis or earthquakes with the flick of a wrist. She didn't get the title of yonkou for free. Yonkous are dubbed to be the 4 strongest pirates on the seas. Is Luffy there yet ? No.

As for your irrelevant questions:

Is Buggy stronger than everyone in his crew? just because he is the captain?

I don't know, Buggy is not a very strong pirate but he shows great leadership. There might be someone stronger in his crew. But this question is a perfect example that you don't understand what this is about. It is not about strength, it is about plot relevance, world building, timing and many more things. How many action movies have you watched where the main character had the possibility to kill the enemy at the start or half way through the movie ? Probably very very many. What happens next is that it sets a plan in motion where the bad guy walks into the trap or gets cocky and then gets beaten at the end of the movie. We're not at the end of the movie yet. One Piece is not following the linear path.

Are you physically stronger or weaker than your Mother in Real life right now?

I am stronger, but my mother also doesn't posses a devil fruit. By the way I also am stronger than my dad, does that mean that Luffy can beat Kaidou now ? Or does this mean that you have a misogynistic train of thought because Luffy should be able to beat her because she is an older woman, because that means nothing in One Piece. Also noted that you said twice now that you don't want to put up avatars of "bitches", so I guess you're definitely looking down on Big Mom (and maybe even women in general as you're drawing a parallel to other mothers). So how is 'Big Mom hate' any different from Luffy hate ? If there already is such a thing as Luffy hate when he is facing a yonkou.

So I appreciate the breakdown of my post like you had something intelligent to say but you only further proved my point. You don't get it. This was also the last thing I'm going to say to you about this.

You are a hater bro. If luffy beats big mom this arc your gonna be crying like a baby. She is the weakest among the yonko so shut up its a reason oda chose for the strawhats to meet bigmom before kaido or even black beard idiots.

Story mechanics. Lmao.. more like your pathetic point of views.. hahah

And comparing naruto to op does no justice your just so bias that any other opinion besides your own is wrong lmao.. when luffy beats big mom this arc i dont wana see u on the base anymore.. and if he doesnt i wont post on here anymore..

I dont care how he wins or who helps u just so sure that he is too weak and wont fight at all then bet me right now.

Beezy at least still tries to start the dialogue and understand the other side of the argument. In your case everything just goes over your head and you ride that one trick pony of yours into the ground.

Not even going to bother giving you a decent reply, because that would be a waste of time and words on a stupid person.

 

[Punk Hazard]

"Throw away decades of story-telling, world building, and connections between characters"

Wtf bro?

How does Luffy beating Big Mom equal that in anyway?

It's actually, literally the opposite. It's great story-telling and world building and connections between characters if Luffy beats Big Mom..

Stop dwelling on the idea that Luffy can never beat certain people.. it's very depressing to see such a great OP fan like yourself acing like this.

It's borderline hateful how you are towards Luffy..

The connections that Oda has been drawing between Kaido and Big Mom so far in the story are immaculate. The story as it is is on the perfect course for the two storylines between Kaido and Big Mom to crash together, and become one storyline. It is far more interesting for Oda to have two antagonists who are going after the main character to clash together over this kind of thing than for us to just say Luffy charge into an island, beat the big bad, then go on sailing again to do the exact same thing all over again.

It's something new, it's something creative, it's something that has been in development for almost ten years(since Thriller Bark) and it's consistent with the story. What you are asking is for Oda to do the same thing he's done all over again, the same thing that's been done in a hundred manga all over again, just because you want to dickride Luffy and have him shine all of the time.

I have no problem with Luffy beating a Yonko. I want to see that. I don't want to see Luffy doing that if it means Oda's powerscale writing becomes shitty, inconsistent, and nonsensical, and it means Oda is going to scrap countless connections he's made between Kaido and Big Mom.

The problem here is you're simpleminded and your view of what the story could be is narrow. You just want to see "Luffy beat everyone," which is far less interesting than what could be with what Love Cook suggests. You want Oda to throw away tons of potential just because you're fixated on Luffy. Oda would be disappointed in you, not us.

some of you members constantly hate on Luffy.. you decide if that includes you or not.. I was definitely talking to Riker in that post though, because he actually hates on Luffy.



I'm sorry, but with all due respect, you can't tell me what type of story I "prefer"..

In fact, I prefer One Piece over ANY other story EVER created. So that's the type of story writing I prefer..




Lol

No.



I know. And I love those arcs..

Your comment so far is a giant fail if you think what you're saying about my preference is true bro.



Oda is the g.o.a.t.



Lol

I'll call a spade a spade whenever I see fit.. all while being as carefree as can be..



No offense.. but stop. Just stop.

I'm trying to be as respectful as possible, but the more you try to disrespect me, it's kind of hard for me to be as nice as I want to be..

You can say that I don't understand story mechanics.. but in reality it's the opposite..

You don't understand at all..

Oda would be dissapointed af with what you and Riker have been saying in this thread..



Riker was for sure.. and I think a couple other members were too..

Competing?

BRUH manga facts... the MANGA shows Luffy's KKG causing more physical destruction than Big Mom ever did.. what she did during her rampage was laughable compared to G4.. yet all of her underlings on the island were scared shitless and in horror of it all.. imagine if they see a KKG hit Big Mom like it did Doflamingo.. they'll die in shock.

Luffy > Big Mom

Luffy > Big Mom

Luffy > Big Mom


Y'all over estimate her just because she's a Yonko.. but Yonko status is not just because of the captains strength in a fight bruh.. just like Riker always says that anyone who can make it to raftel is the next Pirate King.. the title has nothing to do with strength or how that person performs in a 1v1..


And you still keep dodging this question every time I ask you..

Is Buggy stronger than everyone in his crew? just because he is the captain?

What's your answer to that?


Are you physically stronger or weaker than your Mother in Real life right now?

If you and your real mother in real life fought right now, who would win?

Fam, Luffy is my second favorite character. I'm not hating on him, you're dickriding him.

 

[Mystikk]

There is no sense in arguing with you because your logic doesn't make any sense. I'm not going to put much more energy into explaining it. But I hope you don't throw a fit when Oda is the one who proves you wrong, and call everything bullshit.

You're right I don't know your preferences and you might even appreciate One Piece more than any other manga. But that may be due to the fact that there is a hidden layer of story telling that you get to read but don't understand. Because that is what I make up from your posts. If you were to rewrite One Piece and Oda would give you the begin and end points of each arc both of you would reach the end of that arc in a very different way.

You can be childish about it and say that Oda would be disappointed in me. But so far you haven't brought a single argument to the table that makes me think you understand what is going on. You laugh Riker's points away about multiple arc build up of the story, while that is exactly what is happening here. You asked me a lot of questions but tell me this, why is Cesar Clown still relevant after 3 story arcs, when he is a 'nobody' scientist ? Or why was Absalon (Moriah's crewmember) infiltrating the Kidd alliance, while that same alliance got wiped by Kaidou (Moriah's rival) a little later ? There are a lot of hidden motives and agenda's in play that you don't seem to grasp and are too difficult to end with a boss battle between Luffy and Big Mom.

I'm not saying Luffy should not beat Big Mom and I'm not questioning his power, because he is the next pirate king. But logic dictates that Big Mom's role (Or Kaidou's for that matter) can't be played out within this (or the Wano) arc.

Also your facts about destructive capabilities mean nothing. We have 20 years of data of Luffy rampaging, and we have like 2 pages of Big Mom throwing a fit over a missed meal ? Give me a break. Whitebeard had the power to create 2 tsunamis or earthquakes with the flick of a wrist. She didn't get the title of yonkou for free. Yonkous are dubbed to be the 4 strongest pirates on the seas. Is Luffy there yet ? No.

As for your irrelevant questions:

Is Buggy stronger than everyone in his crew? just because he is the captain?

I don't know, Buggy is not a very strong pirate but he shows great leadership. There might be someone stronger in his crew. But this question is a perfect example that you don't understand what this is about. It is not about strength, it is about plot relevance, world building, timing and many more things. How many action movies have you watched where the main character had the possibility to kill the enemy at the start or half way through the movie ? Probably very very many. What happens next is that it sets a plan in motion where the bad guy walks into the trap or gets cocky and then gets beaten at the end of the movie. We're not at the end of the movie yet. One Piece is not following the linear path.

Are you physically stronger or weaker than your Mother in Real life right now?

I am stronger, but my mother also doesn't posses a devil fruit. By the way I also am stronger than my dad, does that mean that Luffy can beat Kaidou now ? Or does this mean that you have a misogynistic train of thought because Luffy should be able to beat her because she is an older woman, because that means nothing in One Piece. Also noted that you said twice now that you don't want to put up avatars of "bitches", so I guess you're definitely looking down on Big Mom (and maybe even women in general as you're drawing a parallel to other mothers). So how is 'Big Mom hate' any different from Luffy hate ? If there already is such a thing as Luffy hate when he is facing a yonkou.

So I appreciate the breakdown of my post like you had something intelligent to say but you only further proved my point. You don't get it. This was also the last thing I'm going to say to you about this.



Beezy at least still tries to start the dialogue and understand the other side of the argument. In your case everything just goes over your head and you ride that one trick pony of you into the ground.

Not even going to bother giving you a decent reply, because that would be a waste of time and words on a stupid person.

No, whats stupid is your reasoning.

Same guy who probably wish the doffy arc was still going because luffy wasnt strong enough until u seen gear 4 hahaha.

Could u imagine if oda left doflamingo alive like how u all keep saying thats how he tells storys lmao.. the same way doffy had to go big mom does.. why cnt you idiots see that for luffy to move on he has to defeat big mom now????

Only stupid people would wana see kaido vs bigmom over kaido vs luffy .... your an idiot and if you go back i never replied to any of your post until u started posting on my post .

I dont care about your predictions your trying to tell me that im wrong and im just giving my opinion like everybody else retard.

 

[Love Cook]

No, whats stupid is your reasoning.

Same guy who probably wish the doffy arc was still going because luffy wasnt strong enough until u seen gear 4 hahaha.

Could u imagine if oda left doflamingo alive like how u all keep saying thats how he tells storys lmao.. the same way doffy had to go big mom does.. why cnt you idiots see that for luffy to move on he has to defeat big mom now????

Only stupid people would wana see kaido vs bigmom over kaido vs luffy .... your an idiot and if you go back i never replied to any of your post until u started posting on my post .

I dont care about your predictions your trying to tell me that im wrong and im just giving my opinion like everybody else retard.

There is a slight difference between our posts. If you just squint and don't even read what is in them you can already see structure and order in one post and chaos in the other.

How can a man that is unable to structure 7 sentences, lecture me on the structure in One Piece ?

This guy is a complete retard.. no wonder none of your predictions come true hahah..

Go watch starwars or something then u can see the story go back n forth stupid.

Which of my predictions, can you name an example or are you now slandering me because you're mad that you can't win an intelligent argument ?

Also nice double post, keep calling me the retard. Really works wonders for your credibility.

 

[Punk Hazard]

No, whats stupid is your reasoning.

Same guy who probably wish the doffy arc was still going because luffy wasnt strong enough until u seen gear 4 hahaha.

Could u imagine if oda left doflamingo alive like how u all keep saying thats how he tells storys lmao.. the same way doffy had to go big mom does.. why cnt you idiots see that for luffy to move on he has to defeat big mom now????

And why can't Kaido and Big Mom take each other out, and Luffy gets stronger down the line further?

Only stupid people would wana see kaido vs bigmom over kaido vs luffy .... your an idiot and if you go back i never replied to any of your post until u started posting on my post .

And what about that makes us idiots?

 

[Mystikk]

There is a slight difference between our posts. If you just squint and don't even read what is in them you can already see structure and order in one post and chaos in the other.

How can a man that is unable to structure 7 sentences, lecture me on the structure in One Piece ?



Which of my predictions, can you name an example or are you now slandering me because you're mad that you can't win an intelligent argument ?

Also nice double post, keep calling me the retard. Really works wonders for your credibility.

This guy is a complete retard.. no wonder none of your predictions come true hahah..

Go watch starwars or something then u can see a story go back n forth stupid.

Nobody wants what your suggesting we only want to see luffy fight the stongest characters and become pirate king.

Dont reply im done reading your bias post. Go watch starwars kid.

 

[LBeezy]

There is no sense in arguing with you because your logic doesn't make any sense.

Take notes everyone.. This ^^^ is all you need to say, to end any discussion on the Internet. :bdpf:

I'm not going to put much more energy into explaining it. But I hope you don't throw a fit when Oda is the one who proves you wrong, and call everything bullshit.

You're right I don't know your preferences and you might even appreciate One Piece more than any other manga. But that may be due to the fact that there is a hidden layer of story telling that you get to read but don't understand.

I'm sorry teacher, no disrespect, but I understand the story just fine.. thank you.

Because that is what I make up from your posts. If you were to rewrite One Piece and Oda would give you the begin and end points of each arc both of you would reach the end of that arc in a very different way.

Yes. Of course. I agree.. I could never ever, in a million years, write One Piece as good as Oda.. it's the best story I've ever read/watched.. and not to mention it's his story after all.. lol no one could write it better than him..

I'm not sure what you were trying to prove with this.. lol

You can be childish about it and say that Oda would be disappointed in me. But so far you haven't brought a single argument to the table that makes me think you understand what is going on.

Woah.. woah.. woah.. slow down there bro.. I've brought plenty of arguments to the table.. they either went over your head, you ignored them, or your rebuttals failed miserably..

You laugh Riker's points away about multiple arc build up of the story, while that is exactly what is happening here.

Facts - I didn't laugh at Riker's points about multiple arc build ups..

I simply asked him how Luffy beating Big Mom would destroy Oda's story..

You asked me a lot of questions but tell me this, why is Cesar Clown still relevant after 3 story arcs, when he is a 'nobody' scientist ?

Idk.. but I can't wait to find out!

Or why was Absalon (Moriah's crewmember) infiltrating the Kidd alliance, while that same alliance got wiped by Kaidou (Moriah's rival) a little later ?

Idk yet.. do you?

There are a lot of hidden motives and agenda's in play that you don't seem to grasp and are too difficult to end with a boss battle between Luffy and Big Mom.

No. You're wrong. I grasp all of these story points just fine.. and the ones we don't have answers to yet, I'm patiently waiting for Oda to reveal to us..

Luffy can beat Big Mom and things can still be wrapped up nicely..

Like yo, when does Luffy beating Big Mom = Killing her?!?!

I obviously think she's going to still be alive at the end of the day..

So what do you have to say now?

I'm not saying Luffy should not beat Big Mom and I'm not questioning his power, because he is the next pirate king. But logic dictates that Big Mom's role (Or Kaidou's for that matter) can't be played out within this (or the Wano) arc.

False.

Luffy can kick her ass and she can still have plenty of relevance later on if Oda wants...

How many of Luffy's enemies were completely killed off from the whole story?

Right.. not that many..

Also your facts about destructive capabilities mean nothing. We have 20 years of data of Luffy rampaging, and we have like 2 pages of Big Mom throwing a fit over a missed meal ? Give me a break.

If that's what you got from my points then Idk what to tell you anymore..

Please re-read my words on that matter..

Luffy > Big Mom in physical destruction capabilities

Thats Manga facts

Not an opinion..

Whitebeard had the power to create 2 tsunamis or earthquakes with the flick of a wrist.

And?

She didn't get the title of yonkou for free. Yonkous are dubbed to be the 4 strongest pirates on the seas. Is Luffy there yet ? No.

Yes.. but they couldn't be a Yonko by themselves.. all alone.. being a Yonko doesn't have anything to do with a 1v1 fight.. it's a bigger position than that.. I guess YOU "don't know how to read the story properly".. lol

As for your irrelevant questions:

Actually relevant af but ok....

Is Buggy stronger than everyone in his crew? just because he is the captain?

I don't know, Buggy is not a very strong pirate but he shows great leadership. There might be someone stronger in his crew. But this question is a perfect example that you don't understand what this is about. It is not about strength, it is about plot relevance, world building, timing and many more things. How many action movies have you watched where the main character had the possibility to kill the enemy at the start or half way through the movie ? Probably very very many. What happens next is that it sets a plan in motion where the bad guy walks into the trap or gets cocky and then gets beaten at the end of the movie. We're not at the end of the movie yet. One Piece is not following the linear path.

No. You missed the point of the question..

But you still proved my point anyway.. thanks..

Big Mom doesn't have to be the strongest pirate in her crew.

Facts.

Your words.

You proved that point for me.

Are you physically stronger or weaker than your Mother in Real life right now?

I am stronger, but my mother also doesn't posses a devil fruit. By the way I also am stronger than my dad, does that mean that Luffy can beat Kaidou now ? Or does this mean that you have a misogynistic train of thought because Luffy should be able to beat her because she is an older woman, because that means nothing in One Piece. Also noted that you said twice now that you don't want to put up avatars of "bitches", so I guess you're definitely looking down on Big Mom (and maybe even women in general as you're drawing a parallel to other mothers). So how is 'Big Mom hate' any different from Luffy hate ? If there already is such a thing as Luffy hate when he is facing a yonkou.

Lol wow that went completely over your head bro..

Had to be the Love Cook to say something about women and get all feminist on me.. xd haha


Bro.. I'm simply trying to prove that Big Mom's kids can be stronger than her..

It was that simple.

Kaido isn't Luffy's Dad.. lmao

Wow.. I'm genuinely surprised that you didn't realize what my question was getting at..

So I appreciate the breakdown of my post like you had something intelligent to say but you only further proved my point. You don't get it. This was also the last thing I'm going to say to you about this.

I break down your posts, because unlike you, I actually address your points and dismantle them one by one while proving my point..

It's okay if you're done..

Like I said we shall see what happens soon enough..

The connections that Oda has been drawing between Kaido and Big Mom so far in the story are immaculate. The story as it is is on the perfect course for the two storylines between Kaido and Big Mom to crash together, and become one storyline. It is far more interesting for Oda to have two antagonists who are going after the main character to clash together over this kind of thing than for us to just say Luffy charge into an island, beat the big bad, then go on sailing again to do the exact same thing all over again.

It's something new, it's something creative, it's something that has been in development for almost ten years(since Thriller Bark) and it's consistent with the story. What you are asking is for Oda to do the same thing he's done all over again, the same thing that's been done in a hundred manga all over again, just because you want to dickride Luffy and have him shine all of the time.

No d*ck riding over bro..


And for the record you can see for yourself a couple pages back, where I clearly said to Love Cook that I am open to the story playing out this way.. (similar to his theory or ideas on the Big Mom and Kaido situation intertwining.)

So that should shut you guys up about that.. I mean I literally said I wouldn't mind if it turns out like that, because it sounds very entertaining and interesting..

Read the post yourself..

I have no problem with Luffy beating a Yonko.

mfw you still have a problem with Luffy beating Doflamingo.. :bdpf:

I want to see that. I don't want to see Luffy doing that if it means Oda's powerscale writing becomes shitty, inconsistent, and nonsensical, and it means Oda is going to scrap countless connections he's made between Kaido and Big Mom.

Like I said to Love Cook, Luffy kicking Big Mom's ass =/= Killing her..

Nothing needs to be "scrapped" if Oda doesn't want it to be..

The problem here is you're simpleminded and your view of what the story could be is narrow. You just want to see "Luffy beat everyone," which is far less interesting than what could be with what Love Cook suggests. You want Oda to throw away tons of potential just because you're fixated on Luffy. Oda would be disappointed in you, not us.

I already said that what Love Cook suggests would be cool and I wouldn't mind seeing it happen..

I don't hate like some people on here bro..

And nah Oda is disappointed in you. He doesn't like you. He told me yesterday at the gym.. kool:

Fam, Luffy is my second favorite character. I'm not hating on him, you're dickriding him.

No d*ck riding over here bro..

 

[Love Cook]

I break down your posts, because unlike you, I actually address your points and dismantle them one by one while proving my point..

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No what you're doing is make snarky remarks like some sort of stand-up comedian. Besides your line of argumentation is horrible you keep throwing back things you don't answer or understand. You don't know how Oda is going to wrap up Ceasar story that still has to play out because he has relevance to Big Mom, yet you want Luffy to beat Big Mom this arc. We've seen nothing of Ceasar yet.

I know Big Mom doesn't have to be killed but Ceasar's reason being there would be gone if she falls. A character doesn't have to die to lose relevance from the story (90% of OP villains). You calling women *****es doesn't make me a feminist for saying that is not really a nice thing. And your statement that Luffy is stronger than Big Mom because of 'manga facts' is laughable. You have 2 pages of Big Mom rage to go on, that is as good as nothing. Besides What does destructive capability say when someone possess a soul DF. She can just take 100 years from luffy without destroying anything,

Just promise me you won't bitch about the story if Big Mom doesn't get downed this arc. Don't say I didn't warn you. Because if that is the case it really did mean you didn't understand it after all.

 

[chopstickchakra]

That has nothing to do with hate.

What you prefer is linear story writing. this is how Naruto is written. You can't accept if the main protagonist doesn't show growth and beats the next boss. But One Piece has shown to not follow this path multiple times. Impel Down and Marine Ford are examples of this.

A -> B -> C

One Piece is more of an expanding universe. Where Oda can go 1 step back to make 2 steps forward

A -> B -> A -> D

So I would be careful who you call hater when you don't really understand the story mechanics. Nobody is hating on Luffy here, but is Luffy really competing with a yonkou at this point in time ? I very much doubt that.

MF and ID are the only two incidents though where Luffy didn't have a fight as the goal and every other instance we have Luffy working towards a fight with someone and he wins that fight and they almost always over power him early on in the fight see Kreig, Arlong, Moriah, CP9 etc.

Yes OP has a lot more nuance than the average shonen but you guys seem to forget that it is still a shonen and typical shonen things like teamwork/friendship leads to victory even over tough obstacles and the hero will beat opponents who were made to seem stronger.

Besides no one would really be ready for Luffy to beat an Admiral or Yonkou until Oda makes it happen anyway, until then there's always gonna be people saying he can't do it yet. Even if Luffy put down Marco people would still say "well Marco couldn't beat Akainu so Luffy can't either" or "just beating a FM doesn't mean you can beat their capt." He already challenged Fuji and as you and others pointed out he did it weak and "showed better against Fuji than Sabo" so if that's the case why is it asinine to throw around the idea he can challenge a Yonkou?

 

[Mystikk]

MF and ID are the only two incidents though where Luffy didn't have a fight as the goal and every other instance we have Luffy working towards a fight with someone and he wins that fight and they almost always over power him early on in the fight see Kreig, Arlong, Moriah, CP9 etc.

Yes OP has a lot more nuance than the average shonen but you guys seem to forget that it is still a shonen and typical shonen things like teamwork/friendship leads to victory even over tough obstacles and the hero will beat opponents who were made to seem stronger.

Besides no one would really be ready for Luffy to beat an Admiral or Yonkou until Oda makes it happen anyway, until then there's always gonna be people saying he can't do it yet. Even if Luffy put down Marco people would still say "well Marco couldn't beat Akainu so Luffy can't either" or "just beating a FM doesn't mean you can beat their capt." He already challenged Fuji and as you and others pointed out he did it weak and "showed better against Fuji than Sabo" so if that's the case why is it asinine to throw around the idea he can challenge a Yonkou?

Well said. . Check and mate! Hahaha

They will be so mad when big mom gets defeated this arc!!!

 

[Punk Hazard]

MF and ID are the only two incidents though where Luffy didn't have a fight as the goal

The very fact that we only two arcs is where we don't see this is exactly why we vouch for Kaido vs Big Mom over Luffy vs Big Mom being how BM and/or Kaido gets handled.

and every other instance we have Luffy working towards a fight with someone and he wins that fight and they almost always over power him early on in the fight see Kreig, Arlong, Moriah, CP9 etc.

You can't compare these to him losing against Cracker and then beating Big Mom. Each of those fights had some kind of circumstance that prevented him from winning straight up, whether it be him not fighting at his best for one reason or another, just plain old underestimating his opponent and charging in wildly, or something that prevented him from being able to harm them.

None of that applies to Luffy's performance against Cracker. He and Cracker when just as all out against each other as he did against Doflamingo. If Luffy pulls out some new mode against Big Mom that increases his ability to perform even more, then it just begs the question "Why didn't he used it against Cracker/Doflamingo?" It's better writing to keep things that bring up such a question to the absolutely minimum.

Yes OP has a lot more nuance than the average shonen but you guys seem to forget that it is still a shonen and typical shonen things like teamwork/friendship leads to victory even over tough obstacles and the hero will beat opponents who were made to seem stronger.

Oda has subverted Shonen tropes in the past. We are simply hoping for and advocating for writing that will do so again because it's definitely up Oda's alley.

 

[Hellioncurse]

What ass pull?


I'm completely fine with the notion that Luffy eating right now will put him back to the full strength.

I'm not okay with the notion that eating any plain old food will make Luffy stronger than he was even before he was hungry.

That's the difference between the Big Mom situation and Luffy's situation. If Luffy wasn't hungry when he encountered Rob Lucci at the building in Water 7, he'd have been the same strength he was at during Enie's Lobby.

What you're suggesting is that Luffy would go from weaker than Cracker to as strong as Big Mom only through eating. Unless it's through Sanji's Attack Cuisine or something like that, then it doesn't make sense.



You keep throwing this word "haters" around. No one is hating on Luffy, you're just suggesting a really shitty scenario. If Luffy barely beat Cracker with help, what sense would it make for him to beat someone way stronger than Cracker that same day?



No, instead, you'd prefer for the writer of the manga to throw away decades of story-telling, world building, and connections between characters just to see the same cliched story for the 101st time.

Connections between Kaido and Big Mom:

1. Kaido defeated Gekko Moriah, the antagonist of the island where we meet Big Mom's daughter, Lola.

2. Luffy unveils Gear Fourth against Doflamingo. Gear Fourth bears a striking resemblance to Nightmare Luffy, who debuted against who? Gekko Moriah.

3. Doflamingo works for Kaido, the guy who defeated Gekko Moriah.

4. Big Mom's powers incredibly similarly to Gekko Moriah's

5. The fact that both Kaido and Big Mom want Caesar Clown is perfect for putting them against each other

6. A major plot point of Thriller Bark was Lola's zombie trying to force a wedding with Absalom. What food-themed island largely involves a wedding again?

And these are just the ones I remember off the top of my head right now. And you want Oda to throw away all of these connections by keeping Big Mom and Kaido two separate stories, despite perfectly setting up countless threads to sew them into the same path as Love Cook outlined? Please.

Big Mom Vs Kaido? Stop fapping on it.

What you have implied and your Bestie has outlined is Just pure speculation and yet, you both decide to be so affirmative about it that you want to reach the Climax

Connections can be done by individuals perspectives? So stop making it sound like Facts.

Try throwing World government in your connections and you can very well have - World Government Vs Kaido Vs Luffy (every one is linked to everyone some way or the other).

Why fight over CC now? Why did they not fight over Road ponyglyphs? As they very well know they have one of four. That would take them one step closer to be Pirate King?Since that is what they are aiming for in the end.

What you and LoveCook is doing here is the exact thing others are doing? Speculating.

 

[Love Cook]

Well said. . Check and mate! Hahaha

They will be so mad when big mom gets defeated this arc!!!

lol you're such a little asslicker. Unable to string a decent sentence together, but riling up other people to do your own bidding. You still don't seem to understand that I have no problem with Big Mom being defeated. I'm not the number one Big Mom fan. All what I'm saying is that Luffy is running again like he was on Impel Down when Magellan was after him.

He is up against a much bigger force, and Big Mom is a big player in the New World and we've seen literally NOTHING of her yet. Why did Oda set up so much elaborate story if Luffy is going to take her down.

Besides if it comes to a fight who is going to help him ? The second strongest ally of Luffy is probably Jimbei and/or Sanji. If the three of them are fighting Big Mom, who will be holding off the other 2 (or 3) sweet commanders ? Nami and Brook ? I don't think so. to top that off Big Mom has an enraged army full of ability users waiting around. Who is left to fight them ?

Luffy barely scraped by to finish Doflamingo with enormous help of Law and a lot of other people. Doflamingo who shit his pants when he realized he might be facing Kaidou if he couldn't deliver smiles.

You're unable to see the gap in strength and even if you do see that gap you want to see it filled with trash story writing like a Gear 5th or friendship power, or maybe a hidden eye power.

Stop trying to lower One Piece to your level, it always has been better than that. You just don't understand that.

 

[Hellioncurse]

lol you're such a little asslicker. Unable to string a decent sentence together, but riling up other people to do your own bidding. You still don't seem to understand that I have no problem with Big Mom being defeated. I'm not the number one Big Mom fan. All what I'm saying is that Luffy is running again like he was on Impel Down when Magellan was after him.

He is up against a much bigger force, and Big Mom is a big player in the New World and we've seen literally NOTHING of her yet. Why did Oda set up so much elaborate story if Luffy is going to take her down.

Besides if it comes to a fight who is going to help him ? The second strongest ally of Luffy is probably Jimbei and/or Sanji. If the three of them are fighting Big Mom, who will be holding off the other 2 (or 3) sweet commanders ? Nami and Brook ? I don't think so. to top that off Big Mom has an enraged army full of ability users waiting around. Who is left to fight them ?

Luffy barely scraped by to finish Doflamingo with enormous help of Law and a lot of other people. Doflamingo who shit his pants when he realized he might be facing Kaidou if he couldn't deliver smiles.

You're unable to see the gap in strength and even if you do see that gap you want to see it filled with trash story writing like a Gear 5th or friendship power, or maybe a hidden eye power.

Stop trying to lower One Piece to your level, it always has been better than that. You just don't understand that.

We have the surprise box, Capone and his pirates(working undercover), Sun pirates, Germa, People escaped from book, Minks and the unexpected invites? Plausible power houses.

 

[Love Cook]

We have the surprise box, Capone and his pirates(working undercover), Sun pirates, Germa, People escaped from book, Minks and the unexpected invites? Plausible power houses.

How could I've forgot about all those big names. Now Luffy will win for sure.

 

[LBeezy]

No what you're doing is make snarky remarks like some sort of stand-up comedian. Besides your line of argumentation is horrible you keep throwing back things you don't answer or understand. You don't know how Oda is going to wrap up Ceasar story that still has to play out because he has relevance to Big Mom, yet you want Luffy to beat Big Mom this arc. We've seen nothing of Ceasar yet.

I know Big Mom doesn't have to be killed but Ceasar's reason being there would be gone if she falls.

If Big Mom doesn't die.. and next arc is wano.. Ceasar's "story" can still be wrapped up whenever Oda wants..

Luffy beating Big Mom has nothing to do with that.

A character doesn't have to die to lose relevance from the story (90% of OP villains). You calling women *****es doesn't make me a feminist for saying that is not really a nice thing.

Lol bro. I called Big Mom a b¡tch.. not "women"..

And your statement that Luffy is stronger than Big Mom because of 'manga facts' is laughable. You have 2 pages of Big Mom rage to go on, that is as good as nothing. Besides What does destructive capability say when someone possess a soul DF. She can just take 100 years from luffy without destroying anything,

Okay..? You say I don't understand how to read the story properly but it's honestly the other way around.. why else would Oda put in there "if you fear her" or "show fear" (or something along those lines) when she killed her son?

Luffy does not and will not fear her.. plus he has conquerors haki.. this might play an important role in her defeat..

Just like another member stated, we're all simply speculating based on our own opinions right now..

It's childish to argue and say that "you must not know how to read stories and understand story mechanics If you don't agree with me "... like bro, especially when I of all people, like your theory and ideas, and would still be very interested and entertained if they happen to come true..

Just promise me you won't bitch about the story if Big Mom doesn't get downed this arc. Don't say I didn't warn you. Because if that is the case it really did mean you didn't understand it after all.

One Piece is g.o.a.t.

Just about all I can say to that..