Luffy barely has any significant injuries that weren't from Doffy himself.
And? Doffy isn't worried because he doesn't believe Luffy will beat him, not because Law's attack has become insignificant.
When was that ever established? Luffy always fights seriously and doesn't hold back. He's given the best he can with Gear 2 and 3.
I didn't say that. I'm saying Law's Gamma Knife did significant damage to Doffy, meaning the performance he can do now won't be as good as the performance he could have done if he was just fighting Luffy and Law wasn't in the fight at all. That's kind of a no-brainer.
That is assuming Doflamingo's attacks follow a strict hierarchy, which I don't believe they will. Of course he's gonna have moves that are stronger than others, but it's not like he's gonna pull out an entire moveset that is twice as strong as everything he's already used.
Which means Luffy is stronger than Law, Doflamingo is just getting started, no matter how much he was weakened by gama knife, it doesn't change that he hasn't fought at full strength, he beat Law without even trying to hard.
That is a vast gap, unless he was weakened so much that him trying hard is now weaker than him not taking the fight seriously, than Luffy will have to be stronger than Law to bring him down.
As for Luffy's injuries, I return to the latest chapter where even Doflamingo said Luffy was half dead and he got those injuries from earlier fights, so they are close enough to being even.
it said he went up in flames. He vanquished. I was hoping for a sad look from Doffy to after one of his family members dissapeared into nothingness, but he didn't bat an eye.
Which means Luffy is stronger than Law, Doflamingo is just getting started, no matter how much he was weakened by gama knife, it doesn't change that he hasn't fought at full strength, he beat Law without even trying to hard.
That is a vast gap, unless he was weakened so much that him trying hard is now weaker than him not taking the fight seriously, than Luffy will have to be stronger than Law to bring him down.
As for Luffy's injuries, I return to the latest chapter where even Doflamingo said Luffy was half dead and he got those injuries from earlier fights, so they are close enough to being even.
Not necessarily. Let's say Doffy's full strength is a 90, Law's is a 66 and Luffy's is a 65. For Law, he only went up to 70 and defeated him. But, Law hit him with Gamma Knife and cut his strength down to a 64, and Luffy manages to defeat him. Of course, these aren't literal numbers or even estimates, they're just the best way I know how to illustrate my point.
Those injuries came from the string clone, which was Doffy's doing, and Bellamy, who isn't very close to Luffy in strength anyways. You shouldn't take taunting so close to face value.
Not necessarily. Let's say Doffy's full strength is a 90, Law's is a 66 and Luffy's is a 65. For Law, he only went up to 70 and defeated him. But, Law hit him with Gamma Knife and cut his strength down to a 64, and Luffy manages to defeat him. Of course, these aren't literal numbers or even estimates, they're just the best way I know how to illustrate my point.
Those injuries came from the string clone, which was Doffy's doing, and Bellamy, who isn't very close to Luffy in strength anyways. You shouldn't take taunting so close to face value.
Of course those numbers aren't legitamate, you completely made them up with absolutely nothing what so ever to back them up.
So the author will end the arc with the final villain never showing his full strength and full power.
If Doflamingo was in that bad a shape he wouldn't be so confident against Luffy but he doesn't even view Luffy as a threat, he is still controlling the bird cage so he has yet to start even trying.
If Doflamingo had been weakened that much then there is no reason to introduce a new Gear, these are the biggest upgrades Luffy gets, the last time he got them they allowed him to trade blows with a guy who wiped the floor with him the first time they fought.
Its been hundreds of chapters since the first two were introduced and its one of the most debated topics, the author wouldn't pull a new one out if Doflamingo was so weak he was only on Luffy's level and that level with gear 4 thrown in was weaker than Law.
This is you trying to claim exactly what I said you are trying to claim, that a Doflamingo who isn't even trying is stronger than a Doflamingo who is trying his hardest while injured.
And those injuries came from the Colosseum and everything else Luffy had to go through to get here or did you forget all about that, you know the battle against Chinjao and those guys, maybe I should add in climbing the mountain and Pica trying to stop him.
Of course those numbers aren't legitamate, you completely made them up with absolutely nothing what so ever to back them up.
So the author will end the arc with the final villain never showing his full strength and full power.
If Doflamingo was in that bad a shape he wouldn't be so confident against Luffy but he doesn't even view Luffy as a threat, he is still controlling the bird cage so he has yet to start even trying.
If Doflamingo had been weakened that much then there is no reason to introduce a new Gear, these are the biggest upgrades Luffy gets, the last time he got them they allowed him to trade blows with a guy who wiped the floor with him the first time they fought.
Its been hundreds of chapters since the first two were introduced and its one of the most debated topics, the author wouldn't pull a new one out if Doflamingo was so weak he was only on Luffy's level and that level with gear 4 thrown in was weaker than Law.
This is you trying to claim exactly what I said you are trying to claim, that a Doflamingo who isn't even trying is stronger than a Doflamingo who is trying his hardest while injured.
And those injuries came from the Colosseum and everything else Luffy had to go through to get here or did you forget all about that, you know the battle against Chinjao and those guys, maybe I should add in climbing the mountain and Pica trying to stop him.
They're just an illustration, I have no idea why you're taking them so literally, but I had a feeling you would.
That's already what's happening, I don't know why you're saying it like it's a hypothetical. Gamma Knife cut Doffy's strength. Whatever his best performance he gives after this chapter, we know that wasn't the best he could have done unless damage of any kind means nothing to him, which is invincibility and we know he's not.
Yeah, I don't know why you're saying that like it isn't feasible. A healthy Doflamingo holding back half of his strength is better than a serious Doflamingo who was cut down to an inch of his life. A Doflamingo who has taken severe damage can't do as good as a Doflamingo who is 100 percent, that goes without saying.
The whole "There'd be no reason to throw in a new Gear thing" isn't really an argument, all that would do is show that the gap between 100% Doffy and Luffy is pretty big, which has been implied several times and hence the reason Oda had Luffy-Law teamwork in the first place.
Luffy barely got hurt in the Colosseum. He took a few hits from Chinjao that didn't matter in the long run. The Colosseum just made him tired, and he ate food afterwards so he's good to go. Pica never hurt him, nor did Luffy expend any significant energy against Pica. The trip up the mountain? You mean where Luffy was just riding Mucy and then rode Cavendish's horse? Yeah, he barely expended any energy there either. The only significant injuries Luffy has sustained the entire arc have been from Doffy himself(I don't include Bellamy because Bellamy is far weaker than Luffy and he got beat up by Doflamingo, so he wasn't at his best either, further decreasing the significance of the blows he gave Luffy).
Is it possible that Luffy with Gear 4 will completely outclass Law? Sure, but we can't say it does without seeing at and it's certainly not proven with this chapter.
They're just an illustration, I have no idea why you're taking them so literally, but I had a feeling you would.
That's already what's happening, I don't know why you're saying it like it's a hypothetical. Gamma Knife cut Doffy's strength. Whatever his best performance he gives after this chapter, we know that wasn't the best he could have done unless damage of any kind means nothing to him, which is invincibility and we know he's not.
Yeah, I don't know why you're saying that like it isn't feasible. A healthy Doflamingo holding back half of his strength is better than a serious Doflamingo who was cut down to an inch of his life. A Doflamingo who has taken severe damage can't do as good as a Doflamingo who is 100 percent, that goes without saying.
The whole "There'd be no reason to throw in a new Gear thing" isn't really an argument, all that would do is show that the gap between 100% Doffy and Luffy is pretty big, which has been implied several times.
Luffy barely got hurt in the Colosseum. He took a few hits from Chinjao that didn't matter in the long run. The Colosseum just made him tired, and he ate food afterwards so he's good to go. Pica never hurt him, nor did Luffy expend any significant energy against Pica. The trip up the mountain? You mean where Luffy was just riding Mucy and then rode Cavendish's horse? Yeah, he barely expended any energy there either. The only significant injuries Luffy has sustained the entire arc have been from Doffy himself(I don't include Bellamy because Bellamy is far weaker than Luffy and he got beat up by Doflamingo, so he wasn't at his best either, further decreasing the significance of the blows he gave Luffy).
So the Gama Knife weakened his ability to use his Devil Fruit powers and his ability to use Haki.
Because in order him to be as weak as you are claiming it must have done that.
It certainly didn't stop the bird cage so clearly it doesn't do that and he can still use his King's Haki so nope to there too, and if Doflamingo was in that bad a shape, once again he wouldn't be so confident.
If Doflamingo was in such bad shape the author wouldn't even bother introducing a new gear, so clearly you are wrong.
Of course those numbers aren't legitamate, you completely made them up with absolutely nothing what so ever to back them up.
So the author will end the arc with the final villain never showing his full strength and full power.
If Doflamingo was in that bad a shape he wouldn't be so confident against Luffy but he doesn't even view Luffy as a threat, he is still controlling the bird cage so he has yet to start even trying.
If Doflamingo had been weakened that much then there is no reason to introduce a new Gear, these are the biggest upgrades Luffy gets, the last time he got them they allowed him to trade blows with a guy who wiped the floor with him the first time they fought.
Its been hundreds of chapters since the first two were introduced and its one of the most debated topics, the author wouldn't pull a new one out if Doflamingo was so weak he was only on Luffy's level and that level with gear 4 thrown in was weaker than Law.
This is you trying to claim exactly what I said you are trying to claim, that a Doflamingo who isn't even trying is stronger than a Doflamingo who is trying his hardest while injured.
And those injuries came from the Colosseum and everything else Luffy had to go through to get here or did you forget all about that, you know the battle against Chinjao and those guys, maybe I should add in climbing the mountain and Pica trying to stop him.
He won't agree as far as Law is concerned. Best way is to let the manga answer. Doffy didn't get that weak as he tried to show by his illustrations with numbers. I am pretty sure it would be established beyond doubt that Luffy > Law and even he won't be able to deny it.
So the Gama Knife weakened his ability to use his Devil Fruit powers and his ability to use Haki.
Because in order him to be as weak as you are claiming it must have done that.
It certainly didn't stop the bird cage so clearly it doesn't do that and he can still use his King's Haki so nope to there too, and if Doflamingo was in that bad a shape, once again he wouldn't be so confident.
If Doflamingo was in such bad shape the author wouldn't even bother introducing a new gear, so clearly you are wrong.
You think Haki and his DF are the only factors in the fight? There's still physical ability, such as strength and speed, not to mention reaction time(there's evidence of his reaction time having taken a dip), all of which could be affected by the Gamma Knife and lead to him being weakened. Not to mention damage from Luffy's blows stacking onto the damage he received from the Law-Luffy teamwork earlier. For all we know, Luffy is gonna him all he's got, but if not for the damage from earlier, it wouldn't be enough. You're basing your entire argument on a fight that hasn't happened yet with loads of hypotheticals we can throw around, though you're just repeating yourself.
Says who? I didn't know you were Oda. If you aren't, please explain how you know for a fact that the gap between Doffy and Luffy isn't just meant to be that high.
You think Haki and his DF are the only factors in the fight? There's still physical ability, such as strength and speed, not to mention reaction time(there's evidence of his reaction time having taken a dip), all of which could be affected by the Gamma Knife and lead to him being weakened. Not to mention damage from Luffy's blows stacking onto the damage he received from the Law-Luffy teamwork earlier. For all we know, Luffy is gonna him all he's got, but if not for the damage from earlier, it wouldn't be enough. You're basing your entire argument on a fight that hasn't happened yet with loads of hypotheticals we can throw around, though you're just repeating yourself.
Says who? I didn't know you were Oda. If you aren't, please explain how you know for a fact that the gap between Doffy and Luffy isn't just meant to be that high.
Oh, then do tell how the weakening of his body stopped him from killing everyone on the island, wait the bird cage is still on its way.
Or how it will influence his puppets or other way he can fight.
You do recall that he can control puppets without even moving a finger and he is controlling the bird cage which is controlling various people across the island like puppets and he isn't even paying attention.
So do tell how his body being weakened effects any of that, he has so many ways of fighting despite his injuries.
Or did all this not happen and its all hypothetical like your power level numbers.
Oh and should I point back to all the proof in my previous posts, like how powerful a upgrade the previous 2 gears were or other stuff from the manga?
Oh, then do tell how the weakening of his body stopped him from killing everyone on the island, wait the bird cage is still on its way.
Or how it will influence his puppets or other way he can fight.
You do recall that he can control puppets without even moving a finger and he is controlling the bird cage which is controlling various people across the island like puppets and he isn't even paying attention.
So do tell how his body being weakened effects any of that, he has so many ways of fighting despite his injuries.
Or did all this not happen and its all hypothetical like your power level numbers.
What does the Bird Cage have to do with anything? There's been no indication that the Bird Cage is anything but passive. The fact that Doffy estimated how much time the Bird Cage has to close down indicates that it's beyond his control and is happening passively, otherwise he'd have no need for estimation.
I just said it can affect more than just his DF and Haki and you rebuttal with "But his DF!"
Prior to Gamma Knife, a clone of Doffy, which is inferior to him, could simply swat away a Jet Pistol. Prior to Gamma Knife, Doffy could turn around, coat himself in Armament, and block Luffy's Jet Gatling after Luffy already stretched and primed himself for it. Prior to Gamma Knife, Doffy could react to teleportation. Post Gamma Knife, Doffy didn't notice the Hawk Bazooka until it was right at his chest, showing a dip in reaction speed, since Luffy isn't the type to pull punches(by this, I mean he goes all out in whatever mode he's currently in. If he activates Gear 2, he immediately gives all he possibly can in Gear 2). That's just one way Doflamingo's physical capability has been effected.
You're kind of sending mixed signals here. You're talking about how he can control puppets without lifting a finger and control Bird Cage effortlessly, but in other threads you're talking about how he's gonna undo it all to fight all out. So, which is it: Is he doing it effortlessly, or is he doing it with effort that's holding him back? If it's the former, then it doesn't matter. If it's the latter, then it just helps my point that the gap between Luffy and Doffy is quite large since he's injured and diverting his effort and attention, and still outclassed Gears 2 and 3 completely.
Kudos to dropping the "Luffy was tired too from Colosseum and getting to Doffy" argument Lol
What does the Bird Cage have to do with anything? There's been no indication that the Bird Cage is anything but passive. The fact that Doffy estimated how much time the Bird Cage has to close down indicates that it's beyond his control and is happening passively, otherwise he'd have no need for estimation.
I just said it can affect more than just his DF and Haki and you rebuttal with "But his DF!"
Prior to Gamma Knife, a clone of Doffy, which is inferior to him, could simply swat away a Jet Pistol. Prior to Gamma Knife, Doffy could turn around, coat himself in Armament, and block Luffy's Jet Gatling after Luffy already stretched and primed himself for it. Prior to Gamma Knife, Doffy could react to teleportation. Post Gamma Knife, Doffy didn't notice the Hawk Bazooka until it was right at his chest, showing a dip in reaction speed, since Luffy isn't the type to pull punches(by this, I mean he goes all out in whatever mode he's currently in. If he activates Gear 2, he immediately gives all he possibly can in Gear 2). That's just one way Doflamingo's physical capability has been effected.
You're kind of sending mixed signals here. You're talking about how he can control puppets without lifting a finger and control Bird Cage effortlessly, but in other threads you're talking about how he's gonna undo it all to fight all out. So, which is it: Is he doing it effortlessly, or is he doing it with effort that's holding him back? If it's the former, then it doesn't matter. If it's the latter, then it just helps my point that the gap between Luffy and Doffy is quite large since he's injured and diverting his effort and attention, and still outclassed Gears 2 and 3 completely.
Kudos to dropping the "Luffy was tired too from Colosseum and getting to Doffy" argument Lol
Not really, you just don't understand my theory, probably because you didn't think it through.
My theory is that he can control it mentally, as in with his mind rather than his body, and that its part of his strongest arsenal, even injured he can use it to its full potential.
And you are right about the power gap, meaning that Doflamingo is still vastly powerful, and when Luffy defeats him using Gear 4 it will prove that he is vastly stronger than Law, because Luffy will defeat a guy that wiped the floor with Law without even trying.
And I would love to hear how Gama Knife influences his clones, particularly since he hasn't used once since this confrontations started?
Or how it weakens his ability to use Haki?
He can still do those things, there is no reason to believe otherwise, just because he chooses not to use them at the moment doesn't mean he can't. That's like saying Luffy can't use King's Haki since he was trapped in Trebol because he hasn't used it since.
And I didn't drop the argument, I just saw no point in repeating it over and over again or do I need to remind you of the point over and over again.
And kudos to you for dropping the claim that Doflamingo has been weakened so vastly that he is weaker than Law and for actually trying to claim that physical injuries weaken the Devil Fruit ability and Haki ability just like I said you were trying to claim.
My theory is that he can control it mentally, as in with his mind rather than his body, and that its part of his strongest arsenal, even injured he can use it to its full potential.
And you are right about the power gap, meaning that Doflamingo is still vastly powerful, and when Luffy defeats him using Gear 4 it will prove that he is vastly stronger than Law, because Luffy will defeat a guy that wiped the floor with Law without even trying.
And I would love to hear how Gama Knife influences his clones, particularly since he hasn't used once since this confrontations started?
Or how it weakens his ability to use Haki?
He can still do those things, there is no reason to believe otherwise.
And I didn't drop the argument, I just saw no point in repeating it over and over again or do I need to remind you of the point over and over again.
And kudos to you for dropping the claim that Doflamingo has been weakened so vastly that he is weaker than Law.
That's fine and dandy for Doffy's DF. But Doffy doesn't fight just mentally, his fighting style is heavily physical, and that's where the toll is.
Doflamingo wiped the floor with Luffy too before Law and him pulled off their teamwork action and got the Gamma Knife into play.
I didn't say it did?
You've been repeating the same thing over and again for a while now, so I didn't really figured you'd have an issue repeating that again either.
I didn't? That's pretty much what my entire posts have been adding up to? A 100% Luffy or a 100% Law can defeat a Doffy who was pushed to the brink of death.
That's fine and dandy for Doffy's DF. But Doffy doesn't fight just mentally, his fighting style is heavily physical, and that's where the toll is.
Doflamingo wiped the floor with Luffy too before Law and him pulled off their teamwork action and got the Gamma Knife into play.
I didn't say it did?
You've been repeating the same thing over and again for a while now, so I didn't really figured you'd have an issue repeating that again either.
I didn't? That's pretty much what my entire posts have been adding up to? A 100% Luffy or a 100% Law can defeat a Doffy who was pushed to the brink of death.
You said before Gama Knife his clones could slap aside Luffy's punches.
Maybe you should think your post through before posting and proving me right about your argument.
And if his fighting style is primarily physical, why does he spend so much time staying back and using his string puppets and bird cage?
When confronted he had Pica alter the island and set up his bird cage, then he used it and his puppets to weaken everyone on their way up, then he used someone else as a shield while sitting on his throne.
That says quite the opposite.
Kudos for trying to deny your previous post where everyone can see it.
You said before Gama Knife his clones could slap aside Luffy's punches.
Maybe you should think your post through before posting and proving me right about your argument.
And if his fighting style is primarily physical, why does he spend so much time staying back and using his string puppets and bird cage?
When confronted he had Pica alter the island and set up his bird cage, then he used it and his puppets to weaken everyone on their way up, then he used someone else as a shield while sitting on his thrown.
That says quite the opposite.
Kudos for trying to deny your previous post where everyone can see it.
I didn't say a clone now wouldn't be able to do the same. I said a clone was able to slap away a Jet Pistol, meaning it was able to react to it and have the physical speed to intercept a move with Gear 2 speed. Doffy is superior to a clone, so he should have even greater reaction speed, which was shown when he blocked Jet Gatling with Koka. However, after Gamma Knife, he didn't notice a Gear 2 attack until it was already at his chest, showing a decrease in his reaction speed. I did think my post through, you just either misunderstood or are purposefully trying to bend it out of context.
He doesn't even use Bird Cage to fight, Bird Cage was just to throw the country in chaos. Bird Cage is a completely independent factor to the fight. He used clones because he was fighting multiple enemies(Law and Luffy). Doffy had Pica change the island's features to set up his "game" and used Bellamy as a shield out of pure sadism.
You're really telling me the man that fights like this:
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isn't a physical fighter? Doffy is versatile, he fights from both long and close range.
I didn't say a clone now wouldn't be able to do the same. I said a clone was able to slap away a Jet Pistol, meaning it was able to react to it and have the physical speed to intercept a move with Gear 2 speed. Doffy is superior to a clone, so he should have even greater reaction speed, which was shown when he blocked Jet Gatling with Koka. However, after Gamma Knife, he didn't notice a Gear 2 attack until it was already at his chest, showing a decrease in his reaction speed. I did think my post through, you just either misunderstood or are purposefully trying to bend it out of context.
He doesn't even use Bird Cage to fight, Bird Cage was just to throw the country in chaos. Bird Cage is a completely independent factor to the fight. He used clones because he was fighting multiple enemies(Law and Luffy). Doffy had Pica change the island's features to set up his "game" and used Bellamy as a shield out of pure sadism.
You're really telling me the man that fights like this:
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isn't a physical fighter? Doffy is versatile, he fights from both long and close range.
Everyone has pretty much accepted that Luffy is stronger than Law, including everyone that last chapter were saying that Law was stronger, except you so I will just wait for the manga answer.
