OMG,Jiraiya IS stronger than Itachi!

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Just wondering were did you get 4 akatsuki members against the J-man? No where in my comments did I even hint at that. Ever, on any forum. Not going to fire back and call you stupid or retarded. I think maybe you mixed my comments with someone else and turned them in to one.

If that is that case and some one did say that WOW… that’s just as bad as the forum Sakura can beat Sasuka.



Actually it can be broken by any outside chakara just like any genjutsu.



Grandma Chiyo was speaking for her self. One on one thats her only choose. So thats the advise she gave.



You mean like how you have been saying constantly that Itachi beats J-man? IF YOU CAN'T PROVE IT DONT SAY IT!!! How ever, any one here can prove Itachi with help ran from J-man no matter what reason yall can speculate and not be able to prove that fact is he ran. Again I would not care enough to bother getting this proof either WE ALL KNOW HE RAN. So stop making up stuff for why beside what was said.
Akatsuki move in a group of two in other words itachi and kisame can be considered a squad. Itachi said even if they had back up from the others the result would remain the same, meaning itachi+kisame and two other akatsuki members can't beat jiraiya which doesn't make sense. And where in the manga does it say tsukuyomi can be dispelled by forcing chakra into the victim??!! Itachi clearly stated that it's impossible to dispel it without possessing the uchiha blood which jiraiya lacks... If you don't like it then go make your own manga where it's dispellable by disturbing the victim's chakra.
 

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it's my turn to call you an idiot,
you're an idiot.
Yeah that kid is an idiot, i've posted this b4 and i'll post it again oro is weaker than itachi
and those who insulted turson bcuz he said itachi can control the giant toads here see how stupid you were for insulting a nice guy.
And for those who think jiraiya can dispel tsukuyomi have a nice day retards.
 
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what? Bee wasn't pretending, he just use karin as a bait to escape..., just bcuz sasuke couldn't keep up with bee doesn't mean itachi can't infact he was keeping up with km naruto. raikage was few inches away from amaterasu when he escaped it so don't even try to say jiraiya can outrun amaterasu because raikage clearly stated the he was the fastest ninja since the speed monster minato was dead.
He has susanoo to defend himself at the same time attacking with it.
You're forgetting that the fight wouldn't start with jiraiya already in sage mode and ma and pa already on his shoulders, infact it takes shit loads of time to summon them his fight with pain is proof of that. A fight always start with both opponent staring at each other so itachi has alot of advantage here even if he has ma and pa he would still fall for tsukuyomi bcuz he can't dispel it. We saw what happened to deidara when he fought itachi, he almost blew himself up without realizing it we also saw how easily he caught oro in a genjutsu unluckily ma and pa wouldn't be there to save him bcuz he needs time to summon them. Yeah i agree itachi has low stamina but during his fight with sasuke he used susanoo for 10 minutes, he burned an entire forest chasing sasuke with amaterasu(sasuke avioded a blind itachi), used tsukuyomi, fire style jutsus and genjutsus. No one was talking abt pain but that reminds me... pain (one akasuki member) single handedly killed jiraiya so that statement doesn't make sense bcuz it took just an akatsuki member to kill jiraiya so itachi, kisame, pain and one other akatsuki member will easily own jiraiya. Enuf said
Oh my god, you people are so blatantly inattentive to valid points.

As for the rest saying that itachi didn't want to hurt jaraiya feeling because he was protecting the village, that why he ran the first time. you need to stop making up speculation's because the writer never said anything about, how you read it is how it's stated. Tobi clearly said itachi went back to remind the council (which are sarutobi 2 elder's and danzo) that he was still alive period. also to make sure his younger brother was ok. aside from that risking a open scale war in the enemy territory would have been stupid because as skill of a ninja itachi is no one can handle (don't know the leaf village populations of ninja's but i am sure is a hell of alot seeing as how he would have to fight all the other clan's Hyuuga nara anbu etc nagato was only able to do so because he had 6body+the rennigan which give's him access to all ninjutus and aside from the fact that he use puppet's while he hide in a hidden. location ), if thing's were so simple for tobi and itachi sharingan the leaf village by uchiha's and the world can easily be taken. the best way to fight a sharingan user is have 2vs1 like kishi stated in his book. itachi woud be fighting 3 opponent that are in sage mode, and he can only focus his Genjutsu on one enemy at a time. kishi even showed MS tysu being broken by sakura and the old lady releasing Naruto from it, so how would ma and pa not do the same thing? (i guess maybe they are low fool's you don't think in battle so sage mode should be look down upon) as far as bee he was pretending to be trap in genjutsu and couldn't move on the floor-the true to that is he was in genjutsu and got help by his partner in mare second's out of it, so i guess sasuke being lavi was all made up image's kishi put in and animated. you say itachi can just simple black flames. ok mate listen up, since when have you seen your star keep's his ms open for long period of time? i'd say not for at least 5mins max, if your going to say jaraiya easily get's own, talk about what kind of thing's is happening with ms on the user(blur vision,lost of blood, extremely harsh amount of pain)all thing's that matter's in a fight, why you think he always play around with gentjusu logically? his ms ability cannot be compared with uchiha sasuke ms ability so as far as being able to use it long period's of time it's a no no, so he would have to rely on tai jutsu and ninjutus. taijutsu is another big no no, because that's sage mode strongest aspect(they feel no pain)-i need not to explain that because we all read and saw it.

"Jiraiya's weakness is women, sake"(and his sage mode strain/time limit)

You think if Itachi attacked Jiraiya, Jiraiya would say "Oh no women! Women! I can't think of what to do!"

We have only seen Itachi run from battle. other than his incident with the Uchiha clan, We have not seen Itachi take on anyone other than Kakashi and sasuke, but we could safely say Orochimaru could take on Kakashi, Kurenai and Asuma just as easily if not easier.

Jiraiya was concerned with Tsunade when he fought Orochimaru and we haven't seen a clean fight between the two since then. We weren't saying Itachi vs. Jiraiya when Naruto is tied up to a railroad track, Tsunade is getting raped and Jiraiya is having erotic relations with a woman at the same time. This is an even, one on one battle between the two.

If you can still say that under those circumstances, Itachi would win, then you're all pretty ignorant to how powerful Jiraiya and Orochimaru are. Orochimaru and Jiraiya have VERY powerful summons. What's to say Jiraiya can't summon Gamabunta? He has never NEEDED to summon Gamabunta, and if he did, there's not a chance in hell Itachi can fight him.

If any of you say Itachi took on a clan, he can take on Gamabunta, then you are sadly, sadly misinformed, and you need to read the manga from page 1 to the newest issue again, because if you continue on, your misinformation will get you nowhere.

Itachi can easily be considered above Jounin class. Just because he's above Jounin class does not make him a strong adversary to any of the legendary sennin. Tsunade has a fear of blood, but she is the strongest physical fighter in the world. IN THE WORLD. Each one of the legendary sennin excels above all others in one field or another. Jiraiya, as I'm sure, is that he's the best all around ninja, while Orochimaru is the strongest of ninjutsu.( it was orochimaru foolish obsession to get control sasuke body that made him a thankless drone for power, and not focusing that's why he is forever sealed.) itachi realize on his gentjusu and not on his ms simple because he can't on-till he attain EMS which he never will.(every second his MS is active his life is as risk so go ahead put him at the top of the list say all you want your free to do so, god help him if there was a fight and jaraiya would summon a toad army+sagemode. (your just being a retard if you think sharingan is god-and all ninja's are doom, even as bad of a ninja's madara is, if kish wouldn't make him stupid to think by himself he could kill all the nation vs him-no one is god, no genjutsu is god, and as strong of a man he is, i hope he know's how to keep his ears close if you know what jutsu that is.
(i am finish with this thread, there is no end to a uchiha fan club who think irrationally)(itachi swallow his pride for the leaf along time ago- he choose that life and follow it with absolute, thats why he had no problem killing the leaf village guard with sharingan, and had every intention of killing Kakashi the first time if guy didn't set in(maybe not the second time tho) the point is tobi wouldn't never had take him in if he did not believe itachi was capable of going back to the leaf without his pride and kill anyone, so the say he did not want to fight because you believe it was because he love the village is only your opinion ontill kishi clearly state that-he only say itachi swallow his pride for leaf and murder his clan with the help of tobi, and couldn't kill his brother because he love's him very much. "not wanting to do it because of love for village "doesn't exist better you said sasuke")
 
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:flaw:Denying what de character admitted i mean wtf WTH
When did Itachi admit J can beat him? He said they wud tie only becuz he didnt wanna kill him becuz Itachi wud get nothing from it.

Yup jiraiya is stronger than itachi by far even with kisame by his side itachi said he wuldnt have wanted to run into him
LOL! He said that him vs J-man 1v1 = Tie and this was becuz he was a good guy and didnt wann fight Itachi.


Um I think you are mistaken about Sage mode, no one is able to stay in sage mode forever. You are just adding nature chakra to your own to make your chakra more potent. Because of Ma and Pa he can stay in sage mode for as long as he has normal chakra but that does not mean he can stay in it forever (unless Jiraiya got unlimited chakra at some point and I missed it).


Yes Jiraiya can move while the frogs are preparing for the genjutsu but against a high level opponent that would not work, Jiraiya was fighting the weaker three of the Pain's paths and was still losing until that genjutsu.

He would not be able to wait that long against someone like Itachi, or Nagato (or Pain using all 6 paths), or any of the raikages, or someone who has equal speed to him, or anyone that has a way of attacking him while he is waiting for his genjutsu to be ready.
Ya, think about it, I agree. J-man fanboys jus keep saying Pain even admitted with info J-man wud of won but he lost and thats about it. Its actually pretty sad because Pain didn't even use all 6 paths nor did he spam shinra tensei and he never even thought about using chibaku tensei. So ya Pain wooped his ass and at the end said that even if J-man had info meaning a high advantage over him then he MAY have been able to beat him, then he later said that thats the most praise u cud give him. So meaning he was giving him praise and even with info Jiraiya wud most likely lose. Not underestimating J-man though but Pain, Minato and even Itachi are on an other level. Although J-man was crazy strong and cud probably take any past Raikage except maybe the 3rd one.
 

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The Itachi fans just took away my 5-star thread.:(

Anyways,base Jiraiya can use genjutsu and avoid it.The moment he told that he was a weakling in genjutsu was just because was just him being sarcastic,...in front of 13 year-old kid.


I haven't read all of this, but do you guys realize that DigitalMonster was being saracastic? He was only poking fun at Jiraiya fans
You have been genjutsu'd.
 

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No,Turson. Being a Sannin means that you are indisputably the strongest in Konohagakura and always will be, this has been formerly stated by the author himself.
 
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umm lol? are people seriously still comparing itachi to jiraya? seriously? i cant believe it lol. I honestly cant believe it. Itachi completely dominated orochimaru several times and had orochimaru running for his life. Orochimaru admitted that his biggest dream would never come true because itachi is stronger than he is. Lol Orochimaru was making fun of jiraya when he was fighting him. Even hiruzen sarutobi favored orochimaru from the 3 pupils. Orochimaru having the most talent, intellect and pure skill. Lol. Itachi compeltely dominates jiraya lol. Naruto had surpassed jiraya ever since he fought pein. Pa said that. He said naruto surpassed jiraya and minato. are u saying jirayas sensei is wrong when he says another one of his pupils is stronger than jiraya? are u saying itachi is weaker than sage naruto? if so then all ur statements are invalid because it was extremely evident that itachi is not only stronger than sage naruto but is also much stronger than kyuubi chakra mode naruto. I dont get it. Naruto himself said that if itachi uses amaterasu or tsukuyomi againt bee its all over. So that voids all your theories about tsukuyomi not effecting him... because naruto who is a also a jinchuriki host knows that u cant stop tsukuyomi. U guys make things seem like jiraya knows everything about the sharingan and knows all the uchiha secrets. U realize jiraya didnt know what tsukuyomi was and what amaterasu was when he saw them right? when he saw sasuke he said "itachi did some mind destruction technique on him". he didnt even know wtf happened to sasuke. When he saw the amaterasu he said " these are no ordinary flames. How did he penetrate the frogs wall though? that has never happened before." he had no clue wtf amaterasu was either. Are u sayign jiraya is going to know waht susanoo is when he sees it? ur also forgetting jirayas weakness is genjitsu... come the **** on.... he stated himself that HE IS A COMPLETE FAILIURE AT GENJTISU! wait u say thats sarcasim? when was it proved that was sarcasm? the databooks sure prove that it wasnt sarcasim. BUT WAIT! U CANT ADMIT THAT ITACHI WAS LYING WHEN HE SAID HE CANT KILL JIRAYA! EVEN WHEN MADARA HIMSELF SAID THAT ITACHI NEVER WANTED TO ATTACK ANYONE WHEN HE WENT TO KONOHA! even when kisame himself mocked itachi for retreating because itachi could of dominated jiraya. Even when itachi did tsukuyomi ON SASUKE when jiraya was standing there waiting to fight itachi. itachi used tsukuyomi right before facing off jiraya. Does that sound like something some1 would do right before fighting some1 "they cant beat"? your insecurity about this issue is evident. U yourself know that itachi is the superior one of the 2. It was even stated itachi is on a whole other level to nagato. WAIT! THAT MAKES 2 PEOPLE WHO DOMINATED JIRAYA WHO ARENT EVEN ON ITACHIS LEVEL! but nooooo!!!!! jiraya cant beat nagato and cant beat orochimaru but he can beat itachi who beat both of nagato and orochimaru within seconds! thats great! (btw since u are having a hard time telling what is and isnt sarcasim that right there was sarcasim.)
 
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umm lol? are people seriously still comparing itachi to jiraya? seriously? i cant believe it lol. I honestly cant believe it. Itachi completely dominated orochimaru several times and had orochimaru running for his life. Orochimaru admitted that his biggest dream would never come true because itachi is stronger than he is. Lol Orochimaru was making fun of jiraya when he was fighting him. Even hiruzen sarutobi favored orochimaru from the 3 pupils. Orochimaru having the most talent, intellect and pure skill. Lol. Itachi compeltely dominates jiraya lol. Naruto had surpassed jiraya ever since he fought pein. Pa said that. He said naruto surpassed jiraya and minato. are u saying jirayas sensei is wrong when he says another one of his pupils is stronger than jiraya? are u saying itachi is weaker than sage naruto? if so then all ur statements are invalid because it was extremely evident that itachi is not only stronger than sage naruto but is also much stronger than kyuubi chakra mode naruto. I dont get it. Naruto himself said that if itachi uses amaterasu or tsukuyomi againt bee its all over. So that voids all your theories about tsukuyomi not effecting him... because naruto who is a also a jinchuriki host knows that u cant stop tsukuyomi. U guys make things seem like jiraya knows everything about the sharingan and knows all the uchiha secrets. U realize jiraya didnt know what tsukuyomi was and what amaterasu was when he saw them right? when he saw sasuke he said "itachi did some mind destruction technique on him". he didnt even know wtf happened to sasuke. When he saw the amaterasu he said " these are no ordinary flames. How did he penetrate the frogs wall though? that has never happened before." he had no clue wtf amaterasu was either. Are u sayign jiraya is going to know waht susanoo is when he sees it? ur also forgetting jirayas weakness is genjitsu... come the **** on.... he stated himself that HE IS A COMPLETE FAILIURE AT GENJTISU! wait u say thats sarcasim? when was it proved that was sarcasm? the databooks sure prove that it wasnt sarcasim. BUT WAIT! U CANT ADMIT THAT ITACHI WAS LYING WHEN HE SAID HE CANT KILL JIRAYA! EVEN WHEN MADARA HIMSELF SAID THAT ITACHI NEVER WANTED TO ATTACK ANYONE WHEN HE WENT TO KONOHA! even when kisame himself mocked itachi for retreating because itachi could of dominated jiraya. Even when itachi did tsukuyomi ON SASUKE when jiraya was standing there waiting to fight itachi. itachi used tsukuyomi right before facing off jiraya. Does that sound like something some1 would do right before fighting some1 "they cant beat"? your insecurity about this issue is evident. U yourself know that itachi is the superior one of the 2. It was even stated itachi is on a whole other level to nagato. WAIT! THAT MAKES 2 PEOPLE WHO DOMINATED JIRAYA WHO ARENT EVEN ON ITACHIS LEVEL! but nooooo!!!!! jiraya cant beat nagato and cant beat orochimaru but he can beat itachi who beat both of nagato and orochimaru within seconds! thats great! (btw since u are having a hard time telling what is and isnt sarcasim that right there was sarcasim.)
your just speculating bro if your saying j-man is weak than your saying itachi could have beat the six paths of pain
 

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idc honestly it has been shown that itachi is stronger than jiraya. So i dont see a reason to argue with some die hard jiraya fans. I have nothing against fans. But u cant tell some1 his favorite character can be beaten... unless his favorite character is shikamaru or something
your just speculating bro if your saying j-man is weak than your saying itachi could have beat the six paths of pain
 

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lol we all saw itachi own nagato who is completely superior to his paths. I dont say itachi can beat the paths of pein. I Gurantee that itachi can dominate the six paths of pein
so itachi did it all by him self now..ok your a fanboi

you know some 1 is a fan boy when they say itachi owned nagato by himself
 

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"DOT" your post are full of crabs. You're the one who's ignoring valid points. Can you even prove jiraiya can dispel itachi's tsukuyomi ? you even compared itachi's genjutsu to sasuke's that alone makes you stupid.
Firstly Jiraiya can't break tsukuyomi, it can't be dispelled by forcing chakra into the victim, sasuke's tsukuyomi is much more weaker than itachi's and sasuke is better than itachi in the use of amaterasu while itachi is better in the use of tsukuyomi.
Secondly, how many times do i have to point out the fact that jiraiya needs to buy time into sage mode? and who's going to buy him time? Gamabunta? He's just a huge target for amaterasu, we saw how easily itachi dealt with nagato's summons using kunais and amaterasu so no summon can buy jiraiya time automatically jiraiya is helpless even in sage mode he'd still get owned.
 
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