OMG,Jiraiya IS stronger than Itachi!

[AKATSUKINAGATO]

im gonna go wit jiraya

 

[Turson]

:flawenying what de character admitted i mean wtf WTH

Considering truth about Itachi, those words are meaningless. Like I said, you are free to believe that Jiraiya could win against Itachi, Kisame, and lets say Sasori and Deidara, but for people that have some sense it should be ridiculous. Even Pain wouldnt be able to win against crew like that, let alone Jiraiya.

 

[Luther]

itachi and kisame and sasori and deidara vs jiraya

jiraya still wins right

WTH U confusing jman for superman

 

[Turson]

WTH U confusing jman for superman

Nope, you are. Itachi said to Kisame that even more backup wouldnt change the outcome of battle.

 

[DivineIllusion]

Yeah, I know very well that Pain is superior to Itachi. Thing is, if Jiraiya fought all six paths from the very beginning of battle, he would get raped very fast.
Itachi > Jiraiya

I dont think so. Jiraya did lose cause he thought he had won as he killed three of the Pains. Because of that he didnt watch his environment exactly so that Shurado could cut of his arm.
If Jiraya had to fight all six paths, he would have been dead maybe, but maybe he would have found out Pains secrets before, and than he would have smacked him. Cause Jiraya can stay in Sagemode 4ever. cause two ****ing old frogs are supporting him. And nearby, the frogs Genjutsu is nearly as strong as Itachis. Do you wanna know why?

1.It works on quiet longer distance.
2. Dojutsus like Sharingan or Rinnegan seem to be useless, cause its not a visual jutsu. Its acustical. And until the Ushia got sharinganears they will not be able to resist it.
3.Pain didnt resist. He knew it was a Genjutsu and was still cought. We dont exactly know, but I guess the Rinnegan makes you stronger vs Genjutsu cause you are also able to see chakra. So you can notice fast if a Genjutsu is arround.


There are weaknesses like
1. It needs a lot of time.
2: During this time the user is unprotected



But cause of Jiraya, who still can move if someone trys to attack the frogs,he can simply escape each attack with pure Sagespeed.


With that genjutsu and Three sages vs you, there is noone (except pain who was cheating cause of having six bodies and the abilty to revive the fallenones) who can resist that Genjutsu if it started.

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

dude do you read kishi writting at all? to use it one must be attack by a sharingan ability to activate it thats why it trigger when naruto saw itachi sharingan ability. j does not have sharingan so it would be stupid to even try, secondly the only way it would work is itachi gave it to jman which would not have happen my god itachi him self said it would only tigger responding to another sharinga-and that u can only use for a thousand yearss itachi wouldn't waste it if he could by the way. top flaming sharingan to be the best because Batman could beat that sht(thats right a real super hero) how many times must kishi show u ssharingan can get own by slow/fast and people who act stupid. geez stop making up sht and go by the owner answer to his own creation.
hyuugs eyeswhich was writterby kishi himself was said to see through that genjutsu at the kage summit when danzo pull a fast one. secondeven if he could cast it it still would not work ma and pa counter it, like i said genjutsu can only focus at one target at a time if itachi could use it on 3to 5 people he would have facing kakashi and azuma/guy

no i think your stupid cuz if that would be the case then shisui could only control ppl who had a sharingan and he actually controlled ppl who werent in the uchiha clan. now when itachi gave the eye to naruto he programmed it to emerge when it saw itachis transplanted MS and would come out and put sasuke in a genjutsu. now shisui said if any threat hit the village he should use shisui's eye to protect the village with it. itachi had shisui eye in his possiession so he could use it however he wanted so if he wanted to use that eye to control jiariyia he could cuz the eye can control anyone not just ppl with a sharingan are you serious. but if ppl knew itachi had his eye they would be after him. example if orochimaru attacked the village and itachi was still there he could control him with the eye but taking out the crow and putting him under the genjutsu. the other person doesnt have to have a sharingan. when danzou controlled that guy did he have a sharingan???????????? also danzou used shisui eye like it was his own eye. danzou could have controlled jman with that eye aswell

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

I dont think so. Jiraya did lose cause he thought he had won as he killed three of the Pains. Because of that he didnt watch his environment exactly so that Shurado could cut of his arm.
If Jiraya had to fight all six paths, he would have been dead maybe, but maybe he would have found out Pains secrets before, and than he would have smacked him. Cause Jiraya can stay in Sagemode 4ever. cause two ****ing old frogs are supporting him. And nearby, the frogs Genjutsu is nearly as strong as Itachis. Do you wanna know why?

1.It works on quiet longer distance.
2. Dojutsus like Sharingan or Rinnegan seem to be useless, cause its not a visual jutsu. Its acustical. And until the Ushia got sharinganears they will not be able to resist it.
3.Pain didnt resist. He knew it was a Genjutsu and was still cought. We dont exactly know, but I guess the Rinnegan makes you stronger vs Genjutsu cause you are also able to see chakra. So you can notice fast if a Genjutsu is arround.


There are weaknesses like
1. It needs a lot of time.
2: During this time the user is unprotected



But cause of Jiraya, who still can move if someone trys to attack the frogs,he can simply escape each attack with pure Sagespeed.


With that genjutsu and Three sages vs you, there is noone (except pain who was cheating cause of having six bodies and the abilty to revive the fallenones) who can resist that Genjutsu if it started.

Um I think you are mistaken about Sage mode, no one is able to stay in sage mode forever. You are just adding nature chakra to your own to make your chakra more potent. Because of Ma and Pa he can stay in sage mode for as long as he has normal chakra but that does not mean he can stay in it forever (unless Jiraiya got unlimited chakra at some point and I missed it).


Yes Jiraiya can move while the frogs are preparing for the genjutsu but against a high level opponent that would not work, Jiraiya was fighting the weaker three of the Pain's paths and was still losing until that genjutsu.

He would not be able to wait that long against someone like Itachi, or Nagato (or Pain using all 6 paths), or any of the raikages, or someone who has equal speed to him, or anyone that has a way of attacking him while he is waiting for his genjutsu to be ready.

 

[Turson]

If Jiraya had to fight all six paths, he would have been dead maybe, but maybe he would have found out Pains secrets before, and than he would have smacked him.

Naruto knew about Pain abilities, had whole bunch of frogs with him, yet Deva path alone was enough to completely destroy them. If that was battle to kill, Deva would have just pierced Narutos scull insted his hands and the battle would have been over. There is simple no chance to Jiraiya to survive open battle with Pain, even with HM, they are just on completely diffrerent levels of power. Moreover, Jiraiya struggled to activate HM while facing Animal path alone, all six paths would kill him in few moments. And there is something else - when Jiraiya fought three paths with activated SM and knowledge about their powers he said that they are strong enough to kill him. Knowledge or not - Jiraiya is not powewerful enough to take on all six paths at once and win.

With that genjutsu and Three sages vs you, there is noone (except pain who was cheating cause of having six bodies and the abilty to revive the fallenones) who can resist that Genjutsu if it started.

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[DivineIllusion]

Naruto knew about Pain abilities, had whole bunch of frogs with him, yet Deva path alone was enough to completely destroy them. If that was battle to kill, Deva would have just pierced Narutos scull insted his hands and the battle would have been over. There is simple no chance to Jiraiya to survive open battle with Pain, even with HM, they are just on completely diffrerent levels of power. Moreover, Jiraiya struggled to activate HM while facing Animal path alone, all six paths would kill him in few moments. And there is something else - when Jiraiya fought three paths with activated SM and knowledge about their powers he said that they are strong enough to kill him. Knowledge or not - Jiraiya is not powewerful enough to take on all six paths at once and win.

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Maybe youre right about Jiraya loosing, but Tendo cant use shinraa Tensei or Chibaku Tensei while the other Paths are around. otherwise he would damage them too. Thre is just Bansho tennin, but its very dangerous to pull somone who is stronger (much stronger) and who can use longranging Ninjutsus. Cause Gakido cant be always there to absorb (for example Fukasaukus waterblast, which was strong enough to cut stone and that shitty chameleon) So Maybe Jiraya would lose esspecially if there is just Tendo left. But in fight with a Ninja like Jiraya the six bodies would maybe harm the most effecient painpowers.


Ok i believe he would lose, but please think about what i said

 

[DivineIllusion]

Naruto knew about Pain abilities, had whole bunch of frogs with him, yet Deva path alone was enough to completely destroy them. If that was battle to kill, Deva would have just pierced Narutos scull insted his hands and the battle would have been over. There is simple no chance to Jiraiya to survive open battle with Pain, even with HM, they are just on completely diffrerent levels of power. Moreover, Jiraiya struggled to activate HM while facing Animal path alone, all six paths would kill him in few moments. And there is something else - when Jiraiya fought three paths with activated SM and knowledge about their powers he said that they are strong enough to kill him. Knowledge or not - Jiraiya is not powewerful enough to take on all six paths at once and win.

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Ok good arguement the last one:flaw: Im pawnd but If the effect starts, youve lost. thats what I meant.

 

[Turson]

Maybe youre right about Jiraya loosing, but Tendo cant use shinraa Tensei or Chibaku Tensei while the other Paths are around

Of course he can use Shinra Tensei, only not the big scalled one, which annihilated Konoha.

Im pawnd but If the effect starts, youve lost. thats what I meant.

I never disagreed with that.

 

[DivineIllusion]

Um I think you are mistaken about Sage mode, no one is able to stay in sage mode forever. You are just adding nature chakra to your own to make your chakra more potent. Because of Ma and Pa he can stay in sage mode for as long as he has normal chakra but that does not mean he can stay in it forever (unless Jiraiya got unlimited chakra at some point and I missed it).


Yes Jiraiya can move while the frogs are preparing for the genjutsu but against a high level opponent that would not work, Jiraiya was fighting the weaker three of the Pain's paths and was still losing until that genjutsu.

He would not be able to wait that long against someone like Itachi, or Nagato (or Pain using all 6 paths), or any of the raikages, or someone who has equal speed to him, or anyone that has a way of attacking him while he is waiting for his genjutsu to be ready.

I accept that Jiraya would lose (he has lost) but

To the first: I know that you cant stay in sagemode 4ever. But in a fight, its nearly like staying 4ever. Because most of the fights are over after afew minutes. (most of them not all)

To the second: I would agree if he fights Raikages or Bee or Minato and so on, whose speeds are unnormal high. But also Jiraya has high speed and is strong strong enough to block most attacks.
So demage doesnt harm a Sageuser that much.

The other painpaths couldnt do anything if theyre unable to see him. A forest, or Amegakure are battlegrounds that allow you to hide easily, or at least break sight fast. On open terrain, there is no chance to escape i agree, but if youve enough possibilitys to hide, run away and hide again....

But as I said, its rights that Pain won. He was stronger, done.
I just wish that Jiraya would be alive, do you wanna know why?

I wanna see his reaction if he meets Mei Terumii it would look like this
<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3
wont it?

Than he would die, cause she blew him up.

 

[DivineIllusion]

Of course he can use Shinra Tensei, only not the big scalled one, which annihilated Konoha

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Even by using the smaller types he has to be carefull. Cause the little ones dont harm Jiraya if he doesnt get too close to Tendo.

 

[DivineIllusion]

Come on dude HE was PERVY-Sage
That Title as almost like Master of disaster or God him self. XD

 

[kadowade]

Come on dude HE was PERVY-Sage
That Title as almost like Master of disaster or God him self. XD

lol not actually. Pervy means basically someone that think perverted and does perverted things like spying on women. And he got the title sage, cuz he learned Sage mode.
So His name isnt that special, and it dosen't resemble nothing like "God"
Jiraiya is just a perverted person that learned Sage mode. Thats why he has that name "pervy Sage" which is nothing special.

 

[Taiketsu Yagami]

"read" the whole thread before you talk nonsense "blaze"

U have been talkin a lot of **** Dot. I don't care what argument ur trying to bring up, there is no need for u to start flaming the members because they are proving u wrong

 

[Amantius]

U have been talkin a lot of **** Dot. I don't care what argument ur trying to bring up, there is no need for u to start flaming the members because they are proving u wrong

Proving me wrong??? it's funny how you come to their deference- the answer is don't start sht nor start calling people ***** and etc if you can't take the heat his or her self- the kid insult's and try to be slick making another account to back him up and got busted not my problem. they are not proving a bloody thing other than the fact that they are "fanboy's" you cannot except that their Uchiha king- is not a god, anyone with the right skill could be sharingan, the writer made that very clear on many occasion whether or not they or you choose to except that is not my problem. (and if you read the thread before you "type" you would understand don't flame if you can't handle it right back at ya.(i could careless)

 

[Taiketsu Yagami]

Proving me wrong??? it's funny how you come to their deference- the answer is don't start sht nor start calling people ***** and etc if you can't take the heat his or her self- the kid insult's and try to be slick making another account to back him up and got busted not my problem. they are not proving a bloody thing other than the fact that they are "fanboy's" you cannot except that their Uchiha king- is not a god, anyone with the right skill could be sharingan, the writer made that very clear on many occasion whether or not they or you choose to except that is not my problem. (and if you read the thread before you "type" you would understand don't flame if you can't handle it right back at ya.(i could careless)

I think u mean defense? And then u call them fanboys? Thats the problem with all these vs. threads... Whenever a person backs up a character, the opposing people call them fanboys... I could easily call u a Jiraiya fanboy with the things u have been posting to prove people wrong. I starting laughing when u brought up their ninja info because that really held no relevance once so ever considering Itachi is a missing nin and all. I stated my oppinion about it being a tie. both have abilities that could pwn the other if the battled allowed it but my point is how ur flaming which really isn't even allowed. Its also really disrespectful to call someone a fanboy just because they are backing up a character...

 

[mookyuzamaki]

if itachi ran away with kisame then im pretty sure j-man is tough..and the facts this thread maker posted dont like also itachi is not even on par with oro in my opinon full strength and the knowlegde of the sword and oro rapes him every one sleeps on oro too

 

[kadowade]

if itachi ran away with kisame then im pretty sure j-man is tough..and the facts this thread maker posted dont like also itachi is not even on par with oro in my opinon full strength and the knowlegde of the sword and oro rapes him every one sleeps on oro too

lol everyone already explained why Itachi left:
Had to rest because he used 2 Tsukiyomi's which takes a massive toll on his body, especially while sick.
And left, so that the battle wouldn't escalate into a full-scale war. (same reason he retreated when fighting Kakashi)

And did you say Itachi isn't on par with Orochimaru?! LMFAOxd
Itachi owned him twice, without even trying. Itachi scared Orochimaru out of Akatsuki. And orochimaru admitted to himself and Kabuto that Itachi was stronger than him.