[Theory] [Official]The Giant Tobi Discussion/Theory Thread
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Re: TOBI IS THE ELDEST SON of the SAGE
Both seem right but the Eldest Son Theory needs some more info I guess. Until more info about Madara's death show's up than I would give some feedback. Nice for the input.
Both seem right but the Eldest Son Theory needs some more info I guess. Until more info about Madara's death show's up than I would give some feedback. Nice for the input.
Re: both are madara
Tobi is still madara. Zetsu implanted madara cells into a zetsu copy. Technically now there are two madaras. You see, in many chapters we have known/received evidence that Tobi was part zetsu. The fact that Zetsu can actually implant cells creating a new person/copy of another body makes this theory highly possible. The fact that kabuto could black mail Tobi so easily and the fact that madara was actually summoned makes the theory even more possible.
Tobi is still madara. Zetsu implanted madara cells into a zetsu copy. Technically now there are two madaras. You see, in many chapters we have known/received evidence that Tobi was part zetsu. The fact that Zetsu can actually implant cells creating a new person/copy of another body makes this theory highly possible. The fact that kabuto could black mail Tobi so easily and the fact that madara was actually summoned makes the theory even more possible.
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Re: TOBI IS THE ELDEST SON of the SAGE
and he lived for hundreds of years because of...
(i like this theory, just don´t think it´s possible
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and he lived for hundreds of years because of...
(i like this theory, just don´t think it´s possible
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Re: If Tobi isn't Madara , how did he control the fox during attack on Konoha ?
I'm pretty sure danzo thought he could control the kyuubi.Sasuke also saw through naruto in the start of the shippuden series,so i don't think it is only limited to madara.
I'm pretty sure danzo thought he could control the kyuubi.Sasuke also saw through naruto in the start of the shippuden series,so i don't think it is only limited to madara.
Re: Poll for the man behind the mask lets see if NB gets it right
Quite possibly, for a long period of time, he was going by Tobi, even Kabuto said your going by the name of Madara now after showing "Tobi" the 6th coffin, and still continued to refer to him as Madara. Obviously Kabuto knew otherwise. What's to say that Nagato, didn't help conceal Tobi's true identity also.
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Re: If Tobi isn't Madara , how did he control the fox during attack on Konoha ?
That's exactly what I am using to support Tobi = Madara , although I don't know how could there be 2 souls of Madara at the same time.
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Re: TOBI IS THE ELDEST SON of the SAGE
everyone guessed that it would be madara in the coffin.
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Maybe ToBi is a completely Black Zetsu?
Well, this is just a theory if mine about ToBi. Havent done theories in a while xd. Aside from me believing Izuna is ToBi, here's an altenative.
Maybe ToBi is the original, full Black Zetsu? Zetsus' are able to make complete replica of ninja they come into physical contact with, so perhaps ToBi is just a full Black Zetsu who masquerades as Madara because he is a severly imperfect copy who can pass off as Madara, because they share similar abilities ( Taming the Fox for instance ) to an extent?
As for the space time ninjutsu, maybe Black Zetsu are capable of this? White Zetsu can phase in and out of the earth at any place, at anytime, so maybe the Black Zetsu can phase through Time/Space as White Zetsu do with the Earth?
What do you guys think? I'm pretty sure I left something out because my brain is moving a little fast, but I'll adress the posible flaws once they surface.
P.S, I meant to put theory as the prefix, not discussion xd
Well, this is just a theory if mine about ToBi. Havent done theories in a while xd. Aside from me believing Izuna is ToBi, here's an altenative.
Maybe ToBi is the original, full Black Zetsu? Zetsus' are able to make complete replica of ninja they come into physical contact with, so perhaps ToBi is just a full Black Zetsu who masquerades as Madara because he is a severly imperfect copy who can pass off as Madara, because they share similar abilities ( Taming the Fox for instance ) to an extent?
As for the space time ninjutsu, maybe Black Zetsu are capable of this? White Zetsu can phase in and out of the earth at any place, at anytime, so maybe the Black Zetsu can phase through Time/Space as White Zetsu do with the Earth?
What do you guys think? I'm pretty sure I left something out because my brain is moving a little fast, but I'll adress the posible flaws once they surface.
P.S, I meant to put theory as the prefix, not discussion xd
Re: Tobi is a Zetsu Clone
& I never said Tobi's Sharingan was a copy he could have easily of had Madara's Sharingans transplanted . Madara's Soul wasn't transferred because he wouldn't be able to be Summoned by Kabuto. But he does have his memories & his will.
& I just thought of a way that a Zetsu clone of Madara could have his memories is he put a part of him in the clone like the 4ht did with himself & Kushina when he sealed himself in Naruto
A regular Shadow Clone has the memories of the person they are a clone of. & if Madara did make a Zetsu clone of himself he would have made sure he remembered what happened before. So that he would continue his plans.
& I never said Tobi's Sharingan was a copy he could have easily of had Madara's Sharingans transplanted . Madara's Soul wasn't transferred because he wouldn't be able to be Summoned by Kabuto. But he does have his memories & his will.
& I just thought of a way that a Zetsu clone of Madara could have his memories is he put a part of him in the clone like the 4ht did with himself & Kushina when he sealed himself in Naruto
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Re: if tobi is not madara after all then why bother pretending to be madara?
whoever it is they have an Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan, (which dose not necessarily mean an Uchiha) and seen as the process needed to obtain one is elaborate and only supposed to have occurred once or twice (requiring siblings and such) i'd say its safer to assume that whoever this is stole the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan from madaras corpse.
Unlikely to be obito seen as whoever this is has been posing as madara for a fairly long time 16 years + at least (though I seem to remember it being mentioned as alot longer than that!)... only thing that could very slightly maybe mean it might be Obito is that when he was crushed he might have had a power activation that allowed him to pass though the rocks covering him... maybe?... hence this phasing power?...naaahh that's stupid and silly!)
So:
1. older character, and
2. probably stole the EMS from Madaras corpse!
That's the extent of my deduction for now!
Nice to have a ZOMG! kinda moment in the manga again... was getting a bit disinterested in it recently! :/
p.s. Hope its not some kind of hurrpy durrpy "he did die" cop out so he can exist twice
p.p.s. Sage of six paths sharingan son might be a good bet
whoever it is they have an Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan, (which dose not necessarily mean an Uchiha) and seen as the process needed to obtain one is elaborate and only supposed to have occurred once or twice (requiring siblings and such) i'd say its safer to assume that whoever this is stole the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan from madaras corpse.
Unlikely to be obito seen as whoever this is has been posing as madara for a fairly long time 16 years + at least (though I seem to remember it being mentioned as alot longer than that!)... only thing that could very slightly maybe mean it might be Obito is that when he was crushed he might have had a power activation that allowed him to pass though the rocks covering him... maybe?... hence this phasing power?...naaahh that's stupid and silly!)
So:
1. older character, and
2. probably stole the EMS from Madaras corpse!
That's the extent of my deduction for now!
Nice to have a ZOMG! kinda moment in the manga again... was getting a bit disinterested in it recently! :/
p.s. Hope its not some kind of hurrpy durrpy "he did die" cop out so he can exist twice
p.p.s. Sage of six paths sharingan son might be a good bet
Re: both are madara
cous that tobi can't face madara with 3t sharingan doing so wil jeoperdize the plan but when he get the rinnengan he is not scared anymore. And how does he knew nagato if he died at vote and why does he expect nagato to to revive him if didn't plan that? If u can't answer stfu.
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