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[Maina Deah]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Kinda offtopic:

Even I still think Tobi is Madara and most of fanbase think so too, it does not matter ... its just not relevant even if its that Ramen guy.
We know his plans but his Moon eye plan is just not possible:

The earth rotate, that mean only one side of it will be under Madara's control at time. Because The Moon is not on the sky 24/7. While at night, the one hemisphere will be under Madara's control and the second one while sun shining will be not.
Unless he has The Eye of the Sun plan as well : D

So Madara's moon's eye plan is a total failure? but its all assumptions right?

LOL whatever man ... I have not made that up.
If you are dumb, your call. I will not try to change that.

lol, it becomes silly with so many posts

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

So Madara's moon's eye plan is a total failure? but its all assumptions right?

looks that way

lol, it becomes silly with so many posts

achievement unlocked

 

[Maina Deah]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

I don't get what you mean that the moon's eye plan is a total failure, I mean, that's Madara's plan from the very start.

 

[Disquiet]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

this is my last post time to try and persuade others, okay let's say for example that it's revealed later that tobi is someone else other than tobi, some may say "but it was shown so many times that it was him", but then kishi may say "really, when?" and then when you start to think about it, you realize that itachi only said that he was the one to discover if tobi was alive, tobi said this as well, but that's as far into it that kishi ever went, and then minato made assumptions based off his abilities, but never saw his face, but kisame DID SEE his face but "madara" had to tell kisame that he was "madara" because kisame didn't recognize him, chapter 507 page 13. so calling him madara later after pain's death doesn't matter. kishi is PURPOSELY leaving open the possibilities that it could be someone else. my point is we haven't seen any hard facts yet, and let me pose another idea, at what point did tobi become interested in sasuke? he did tell minato "many doors are still left open to me" if the two brothers was part of his aim, then you have to ask was itachi finding him accidental or on purpose. it seems so obvious that kishi is giving so many hints, I mean here's a man that has been hiding for years and then itachi just suddenly discovered him and now he has an interest in itachi's brother whom he used itachi's death to bring him to his side. all this together with the 6th coffin and you can't exactly blame us for believing that tobi COULD be someone else.

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Itachi call him just Madara
Danzo called him Madara
Minato called him Madara
Konan called him Madara
Jiraiya think its Madara as well

You want to tell me all these are fooled ???
No, you are. Read again all my post in this thread and hope you will see that Tobi=Madara

 

[Ngeezy]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

When Tobi was controlling Mizukage Yagura, he revealed his face to Kisame.
Later he did the same and Kisame called him Madara Uchiha.

So what of this ?
-Its indeed Madara
-When Kisame did recognize the man behind the mask as Uchiha Madara, his face must not be that different from when he was still young if its recognizable.

So it probably does not look "that" old like those fan made images.
I actually believe that Madara still look the same from time he was "defeated" by Hashirama ... he posses 1st DNA in his own body, Tsunade stated Madara is immortal due to that thus he is no longer aging.
Nuff said![O that is not proof.. we just have to wait till kishi decides to tell.

 

[Itachi2304]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

wow dude. amazing. u basically summed up everything we know about madara. every fact that was ever stated about madara and all his intentions. That was pretty epic bro. nice job on this one. I agree with everything u said. But does it matter? u cant disagree with cold hard facts

Kisame never knew the original Madara for starters nor the way he looked phisically, there is not much info about Tobi back then when he was controlling the Mizukage, could of showed Kisame the same face back then telling he was Madara Uchiha, the only things we currently know are that he has Sharingan, S/T jutsu, met Danzo in the Uchiha Massacre, claims to have given( helped in mastering) Nagato the Rin'negan, has Hashirama DNA, can use Izanagi, gave up one Sharingan eye for Rin'negan, parts of his body are similar to Zetsu, was afraid of Itachi, met Itachi just before the massacre, likes to change the storys(lies a lot), is using Sasuke, has a big secret probably related to his real identity(Kabuto coffin), recognizes some Sharingan abilities to be quite unique( he gave the paths a sharingan eye), knows the secrets of the Sharingan but never showed a MS ability, was Itachi's mentor at some point, wants to take over the world with Mugen Tsukuyomi.

 

[Itachi2304]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

no u do not require senju blood to perform izinagi. all u need is a three tomoe sharingan and knowledge on how to do the move. Thats all. Senju Dna is only to make the izinagi last longer. It is not necessary for the activation of the jutsu itself. Its just like shisuis MS. he can activate it without sneju dna but needs a 10 year cooldown. but with senju dna he can activate it every day. Yes senju dna MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE, but it is not what allows u to actiave the move itself

just wanted to say that danzo's was inferior because he wasn't uchiha, but an uchiha still needs senju blood, please go read chapter 510 page 10, dude so much of your information is wrong, no wonder you're so confused

 

[Tosen]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Tobi is Madara I mean am to lazy to post pics but if you look at their eye shape they both got that baggy eye shape and it looks identical.

 

[Itachi2304]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

i personally have no clue who is what. as of now? i am thinking he is really madara with madaras body. or madara in a different body. maybe making the 6th coffin himself. Not sure though. Seriously not sure. I mean itachi did state that madara is an immortal man. Maybe this really is his body? well we will never know till kishimoto tells us more about this

 

[ninjastormgenaration33]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Itachi call him just Madara
Danzo called him Madara
Minato called him Madara
Konan called him Madara
Jiraiya think its Madara as well

You want to tell me all these are fooled ???
No, you are. Read again all my post in this thread and hope you will see that Tobi=Madara

That's a good point,but whoever it is,they fooled Minato and Itachi so it just might be Madara, in another body though

 

[Sasanooslayer]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

When Tobi was controlling Mizukage Yagura, he revealed his face to Kisame.
Later he did the same and Kisame called him Madara Uchiha.

So what of this ?
-Its indeed Madara
-When Kisame did recognize the man behind the mask as Uchiha Madara, his face must not be that different from when he was still young if its recognizable.

So it probably does not look "that" old like those fan made images.
I actually believe that Madara still look the same from time he was "defeated" by Hashirama ... he posses 1st DNA in his own body, Tsunade stated Madara is immortal due to that thus he is no longer aging.
Nuff said!

Interesting evidence but when we saw side of Madaras face it was very wrinkly and looked like that of a old man, I think he started experimenting with the firsts cells probably around the time oro was *Which is why he is older* also, you may be right about kisame but remember kisame is not from the leaf, not related to senju or uchiha and is not that old, so i don't believe he knew exactly what Madara looked like. Besides basic uchiha traits (sharingan, black hair, pale skin) but I do think it is Madara, just for different reasons.

 

[Gaarafan1]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

When Tobi was controlling Mizukage Yagura, he revealed his face to Kisame.
Later he did the same and Kisame called him Madara Uchiha.

So what of this ?
-Its indeed Madara
-When Kisame did recognize the man behind the mask as Uchiha Madara, his face must not be that different from when he was still young if its recognizable.

So it probably does not look "that" old like those fan made images.
I actually believe that Madara still look the same from time he was "defeated" by Hashirama ... he posses 1st DNA in his own body, Tsunade stated Madara is immortal due to that thus he is no longer aging.
Nuff said!

Kisame is far too young to know what Madara would look like, and even if he did Madadra has aged and would look different.

 

[UzumakiSage]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Close this topic..

Minato calls tobi the masked man not Madara.
Tobi ( has been taken over by someone eles ) which is why zetsu refers to him still as tobi.
Tobi physically is someone different than the spirit that's inside of him.
meaning that even if you see his face, you will still need to solve who's inside of this charecter. And it could only be two people as far as I'm concerned. Who I refuse to name & spoil it for others.

As far as the masked man claiming to give Nagato his eyes, what he is telling you is he killed Nagatos parents so that he could unlock already what's apart of his bloodline.

Uzumaki = Only host of 9 tails & original bloodline of the Sage of six paths ( which is why they were hunted, out of fear of someone like Naurto or Nagato being born.

In conclusion Im more concerned with Naurtos & sasukes story.& how there mothers were best friends & how they shared a connection when they were still infants. I believe they're both the children of the prophecy.

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

wow dude. amazing. u basically summed up everything we know about madara. every fact that was ever stated about madara and all his intentions. That was pretty epic bro. nice job on this one. I agree with everything u said. But does it matter? u cant disagree with cold hard facts

Thats why I made this thread in the first place ... to summ all facts and it all points to Tobi being Madara.

no u do not require senju blood to perform izinagi. all u need is a three tomoe sharingan and knowledge on how to do the move. Thats all. Senju Dna is only to make the izinagi last longer. It is not necessary for the activation of the jutsu itself. Its just like shisuis MS. he can activate it without sneju dna but needs a 10 year cooldown. but with senju dna he can activate it every day. Yes senju dna MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE, but it is not what allows u to actiave the move itself

Finally someone blessed.

That's a good point,but whoever it is,they fooled Minato and Itachi so it just might be Madara, in another body though

Thanks, even if its Madara in another body, its still Madara like Oro is Oro

Kisame is far too young to know what Madara would look like, and even if he did Madadra has aged and would look different.

Yeah, thats why there is that giant statue of his.

Close this topic..

Minato calls tobi the masked man not Madara.
Tobi ( has been taken over by someone eles ) which is why zetsu refers to him still as tobi.
Tobi physically is someone different than the spirit that's inside of him.
meaning that even if you see his face, you will still need to solve who's inside of this charecter. And it could only be two people as far as I'm concerned. Who I refuse to name & spoil it for others.

As far as the masked man claiming to give Nagato his eyes, what he is telling you is he killed Nagatos parents so that he could unlock already what's apart of his bloodline.

Uzumaki = Only host of 9 tails & original bloodline of the Sage of six paths ( which is why they were hunted, out of fear of someone like Naurto or Nagato being born.

In conclusion Im more concerned with Naurtos & sasukes story.& how there mothers were best friends & how they shared a connection when they were still infants. I believe they're both the children of the prophecy.

nice trolling

 

[-Jiraiya-]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

If its Madara why hide the face jutsu even after revealing himself he is Madara? There is something fishy dont yo think ppl..?

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

If its Madara why hide the face jutsu even after revealing himself he is Madara? There is something fishy dont yo think ppl..?

1. Because his mask resemble Ten-Tail's eye. Thats his plan ... to "reverse-back" what Sage separated. Rinnegan and Sharingan were once one thing, Ten-Tail's eye.
2. He was about to show Sasuke his face with no problem but got burned with Amaterasu xd

 

[Maina Deah]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

1. Because his mask resemble Ten-Tail's eye. Thats his plan ... to "reverse-back" what Sage separated. Rinnegan and Sharingan were once one thing, Ten-Tail's eye.
2. He was about to show Sasuke his face with no problem but got burned with Amaterasu xd

cool
that's his reasonxd

 

[-Jiraiya-]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

As some ppl already told, it might be a "spirit transfer jutsu"(may be idk) which puts Madara's body in someone's body(say Tobi). And you can see a ghost like figure with 4 slots for 4 sharingan when Itachi tried to take Sasuke's eyes (well it may be not related but its kinda scary)...

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

As some ppl already told, it might be a "spirit transfer jutsu"(may be idk) which puts Madara's body in someone's body(say Tobi). And you can see a ghost like figure with 4 slots for 4 sharingan when Itachi tried to take Sasuke's eyes (well it may be not related but its kinda scary)...

I dont think its spirit transfer jutsu ... that would be Kishi just making Oro version 2. and even if it was, Madara would already took Sasuke's body ... so No.
And that figure it was just to represent EMS. 2x MS = EMS