[Theory] [Official]The Giant Tobi Discussion/Theory Thread

[-Jiraiya-]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

1. Because his mask resemble Ten-Tail's eye. Thats his plan ... to "reverse-back" what Sage separated. Rinnegan and Sharingan were once one thing, Ten-Tail's eye.
2. He was about to show Sasuke his face with no problem but got burned with Amaterasu xd

So even if we assume Tobi is Madara, doesnt his initial aim is to revive his clan's pride? Why change to utterly waste conquer world plan..? He also tells that in the end even Itachi doesnt know everything about him. what does it mean? Suggestions?

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

So even if we assume Tobi is Madara, doesnt his initial aim is to revive his clan's pride? Why change to utterly waste conquer world plan..? He also tells that in the end even Itachi doesnt know everything about him. what does it mean? Suggestions?

No. Madara no longer considers himself as Uchiha. His goal is to be a God and his clan betrayed him and thats why he has helped to massacre them all.
Its Sasuke's goal (or at least it was) to restore the clan

 

[Disquiet]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

no u do not require senju blood to perform izinagi. all u need is a three tomoe sharingan and knowledge on how to do the move. Thats all. Senju Dna is only to make the izinagi last longer. It is not necessary for the activation of the jutsu itself. Its just like shisuis MS. he can activate it without sneju dna but needs a 10 year cooldown. but with senju dna he can activate it every day. Yes senju dna MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE, but it is not what allows u to actiave the move itself

but it DOES require senju blood!! I posted the chapter and page in my post to sasuke2 and also danzo and madara is the only one whoever used it, I gave my proof but nobody else really gives theres, I mean show where it says an uchiha can use it without senju.

If its Madara why hide the face jutsu even after revealing himself he is Madara? There is something fishy dont yo think ppl..?

apparently they don't, I still await a reasonable person, like the guy below says, minato called him the mask man, he wasn't sure if tobi is madara, and madara TOLD kisame that he was madara, kisame didn't know who he was, he didn't recognize him. itachi is the only valid one but it only says he discovered him and there's the 6th coffin that still hasn't been explained, I mean the entire ninja world now assumes it's madara and from what? because he said " I'm madara" I find it possible that he deceived itachi.

Close this topic..

Minato calls tobi the masked man not Madara.
Tobi ( has been taken over by someone eles ) which is why zetsu refers to him still as tobi.
Tobi physically is someone different than the spirit that's inside of him.
meaning that even if you see his face, you will still need to solve who's inside of this charecter. And it could only be two people as far as I'm concerned. Who I refuse to name & spoil it for others.

As far as the masked man claiming to give Nagato his eyes, what he is telling you is he killed Nagatos parents so that he could unlock already what's apart of his bloodline.

Uzumaki = Only host of 9 tails & original bloodline of the Sage of six paths ( which is why they were hunted, out of fear of someone like Naurto or Nagato being born.

In conclusion Im more concerned with Naurtos & sasukes story.& how there mothers were best friends & how they shared a connection when they were still infants. I believe they're both the children of the prophecy.

exactly, minato wasn't sure

 

[Maina Deah]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

So even if we assume Tobi is Madara, doesnt his initial aim is to revive his clan's pride? Why change to utterly waste conquer world plan..? He also tells that in the end even Itachi doesnt know everything about him. what does it mean? Suggestions?

His own clan betray him so Madara doesn't care about his clan anymore he just wanted to have everything, that's his purpose.
I think Itachi knew something about Madara as Itachi himself ask Madara to tag along with him to slaugther his clan though I think Itachi didn't know too much about him. Madara is good in hiding his "real self" I guessxd

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

but it DOES require senju blood!! I posted the chapter and page in my post to sasuke2 and also danzo and madara is the only one whoever used it, I gave my proof but nobody else really gives theres, I mean show where it says an uchiha can use it without senju.

It does require the Senju's DNA to use the technique to its full power. Its sad Uchiha were able to use it just with their Sharingan but it results to their eyes closing forever so it was forbidden.
Also do you think that Hashirama's DNA is on black market or something ? Read Naruto wiki and correct translation of that manga chapter



apparently they don't, I still await a reasonable person, like the guy below says, minato called him the mask man, he wasn't sure if tobi is madara, and madara TOLD kisame that he was madara, kisame didn't know who he was, he didn't recognize him. itachi is the only valid one but it only says he discovered him and there's the 6th coffin that still hasn't been explained, I mean the entire ninja world now assumes it's madara and from what? because he said " I'm madara" I find it possible that he deceived itachi.

No. Minato called him Madara ... read again their whole fight.
More people recognized Tobi as Madara, read page back.

exactly, minato wasn't sure

thats true, but Minato thought to himself judging by his powers "the only man capable of this i can think of is Uchiha Madara" and the masked man later confirmed it to him by revealing himself as

 

[-Jiraiya-]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Okay we can take that Madara's body is severely damaged by the fight with 1st hokage, so he helped in uchiha massacre with Itachi, then why he gets shocked by the last coffin? Well it cant be 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th Hokage(they r sealed), who will make Madara fear(may be his bro?)... Suggestions?

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Okay we can take that Madara's body is severely damaged by the fight with 1st hokage, so he helped in uchiha massacre with Itachi, then why he gets shocked by the last coffin? Well it cant be 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th Hokage(they r sealed), who will make Madara fear(may be his bro?)... Suggestions?

Yep, his body is damaged from the fight ... he said it himself. He is using Hashirama's cells to repair his body. So my guess is that Tobi/Madara looks like combination of his old self and Zetsu or just his old self but pale white skin like Danzo's arm. In coffin its Izuna ... theres no one else Madara should be scared of

 

[Disquiet]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

thats true, but Minato thought to himself judging by his powers "the only man capable of this i can think of is Uchiha Madara" and the masked man later confirmed it to him by revealing himself as

I said I was done replying back to you because it wasn't going anywhere U_U but oh well, that guy and I was not talking about the fight with minato but the time when minato spoke naruto he referred to him as "the masked man" and not madara, and all those people you've named (with exception of itachi but we still don't know what made itachi believe this seeing as how others believed it as well) thinks he's madara either from assumptions or because he told them he is madara.

Okay we can take that Madara's body is severely damaged by the fight with 1st hokage, so he helped in uchiha massacre with Itachi, then why he gets shocked by the last coffin? Well it cant be 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th Hokage(they r sealed), who will make Madara fear(may be his bro?)... Suggestions?

read my reply to sasuke2 a few pages back

 

[-Jiraiya-]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Yeah may be his face gets scared/wrinkled as a peek shown in anime due to repairative process. That why he wears mask, its a possibility..!! And also can you pls explain (well i hav been thinking about this for long time) why Tobi/Madara uses only one eye (i think its right eye) with sharingan? Well i dont believe 1st Hokage damaged his other eye...

 

[Maina Deah]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Okay we can take that Madara's body is severely damaged by the fight with 1st hokage, so he helped in uchiha massacre with Itachi, then why he gets shocked by the last coffin? Well it cant be 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th Hokage(they r sealed), who will make Madara fear(may be his bro?)... Suggestions?

I think this is off topic..

 

[-Jiraiya-]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

I think this is off topic..

Ya ok. I just got carried away...

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

I said I was done replying back to you because it wasn't going anywhere U_U but oh well, that guy and I was not talking about the fight with minato but the time when minato spoke naruto he referred to him as "the masked man" and not madara, and all those people you've named (with exception of itachi but we still don't know what made itachi believe this seeing as how others believed it as well) thinks he's madara either from assumptions or because he told them he is madara.

why so hostile ? lets be buddies, OK?
You are right that when he talked with Naruto he just mentioned masked man. But in their fight he assumed its Madara

read my reply to sasuke2 a few pages back

Yeah may be his face gets scared/wrinkled as a peek shown in anime due to repairative process. That why he wears mask, its a possibility..!! And also can you pls explain (well i hav been thinking about this for long time) why Tobi/Madara uses only one eye (i think its right eye) with sharingan? Well i dont believe 1st Hokage damaged his other eye...

He has both eyes. Read/watch Konan fight. Why is he covering it ?
My theory is to reserve chakra. His right side is of Uchiha and his left of Zetsu/Hashirama DNA so it drains more chakra

 

[Maina Deah]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Ya ok. I just got carried away...

lol, you can make a thread if you wantxd

 

[Avani]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

When Tobi was controlling Mizukage Yagura, he revealed his face to Kisame.
Later he did the same and Kisame called him Madara Uchiha.

So what of this ?
-Its indeed Madara
-When Kisame did recognize the man behind the mask as Uchiha Madara, his face must not be that different from when he was still young if its recognizable.

So it probably does not look "that" old like those fan made images.
I actually believe that Madara still look the same from time he was "defeated" by Hashirama ... he posses 1st DNA in his own body, Tsunade stated Madara is immortal due to that thus he is no longer aging.
Nuff said!

Immortal means you do not die. It doesn't necessarily means you don't age.

The scene where he pulled hs mask away to show Sasuke his sharingan face, had wrinkles..But I agree that he didn't had as many wrinkles as he should have at his age ( more than a hunderd since Konohas was built 80 yers ago) It seems he didn't get to use that Hashirama DNA till Oro experimented with it...

 

[-Jiraiya-]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Ok in the end everyone (including Itachi) calls him Madara, he calls himself Madara, so he might be Madara(well i hav to assume till manga/anime comes about it)...
But just off topic even if Tsunade tells Madara is immortal with ems & 1st hokage cells, well then why 1st Hokage died? Ems only grants unlimited visual power usage not eternal life... So Madara is still beatable, i wonder who would do it...(ppl need not reply to this off topic)

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Ok in the end everyone (including Itachi) calls him Madara, he calls himself Madara, so he might be Madara(well i hav to assume till manga/anime comes about it)...
But just off topic even if Tsunade tells Madara is immortal with ems & 1st hokage cells, well then why 1st Hokage died? Ems only grants unlimited visual power usage not eternal life... So Madara is still beatable, i wonder who would do it...(ppl need not reply to this off topic)

He has no longer EMS ... Uchiha with Hashirama's DNA are immortal.
But not everyone. Madara's chakras are stronger and more sinister than that of Kyubi's and Hashirama was most badass senju with Wood Release ... he is immortal due to having 2 strongest chakras in one body. Well, he is not invincible ... he is just no longer aging.
@isthatnecessary, Yep

 

[nexius]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

i think toby is obito because the eye of sharingan is the eye that obito dont give to kakashi and the mask show you the eye of the sharingan and the other eye i think is the eye that he gave to kakashi so he put the rinnegan to have both eye... and he change the mask when he get the other eye so i think he is obito 100%

 

[raxy]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Tobi is not madara, if he was why wear mask ???

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

i think toby is obito because the eye of sharingan is the eye that obito dont give to kakashi and the mask show you the eye of the sharingan and the other eye i think is the eye that he gave to kakashi so he put the rinnegan to have both eye... and he change the mask when he get the other eye so i think he is obito 100%

Very nice only to troll made account.

Tobi is not madara, if he was why wear mask ???

Did you read all my post in this thread ? ...

 

[Disquiet]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Ok in the end everyone (including Itachi) calls him Madara, he calls himself Madara, so he might be Madara(well i hav to assume till manga/anime comes about it)...
But just off topic even if Tsunade tells Madara is immortal with ems & 1st hokage cells, well then why 1st Hokage died? Ems only grants unlimited visual power usage not eternal life... So Madara is still beatable, i wonder who would do it...(ppl need not reply to this off topic)

dude no, it doesn't matter if everyone called him madara, *sigh* look at it this way, if I was an investigator/detective and I asked jiraiya, konan, or danzo or whoever else why they think it was madara, what are they going to tell me? "well.....ummm because he said so" but did you see his face or have any other proof? "ummmm.....he has sharingan and can control the fox" ok, is there anything else? "ummm...no" (itachi being the only exception but we don't know why he thought it was madara) lol, this is ALL the manga have given us, we can say "well, I think konan would have realized after working with him so long" or "I think danzo would have known", but can't everyone see that those are all ASSUMPTIONS and SPECULATION!! what I said may have seemed llike a joke but it's all the manga have given us!!