[Theory] [Official]The Giant Tobi Discussion/Theory Thread

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

so you're saying he made his death into an illusion but wouldn't hashirama see that it's an illusion because the user turns transparent

He used Izanagi and let himself killed by Hashirama. When Hashirama left, Madara has turned his death into Illusion just like Danzo did in Sasuke fight

 

[laxus]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

He used Izanagi and let himself killed by Hashirama. When Hashirama left, Madara has turned his death into Illusion just like Danzo did in Sasuke fight

when you get hit by a killing blow with that tech it makes the user transparent the user body is not going to stay there long enough for someone to get fooled,that izangi is actually worse than danzo so it's time limit to is probably lessened plus the only izangi that can hold long enough to do that is the power of the sage which tobi had.

 

[chevovader]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Kisame never knew the original Madara for starters nor the way he looked phisically, there is not much info about Tobi back then when he was controlling the Mizukage, could of showed Kisame the same face back then telling he was Madara Uchiha, the only things we currently know are that he has Sharingan, S/T jutsu, met Danzo in the Uchiha Massacre, claims to have given( helped in mastering) Nagato the Rin'negan, has Hashirama DNA, can use Izanagi, gave up one Sharingan eye for Rin'negan, parts of his body are similar to Zetsu, was afraid of Itachi, met Itachi just before the massacre, likes to change the storys(lies a lot), is using Sasuke, has a big secret probably related to his real identity(Kabuto coffin), recognizes some Sharingan abilities to be quite unique( he gave the paths a sharingan eye), knows the secrets of the Sharingan but never showed a MS ability, was Itachi's mentor at some point, wants to take over the world with Mugen Tsukuyomi.

Woot, and he dunt like Pie..man he is a MONTER !!!

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

when you get hit by a killing blow with that tech it makes the user transparent the user body is not going to stay there long enough for someone to get fooled,that izangi is actually worse than danzo so it's time limit to is probably lessened plus the only izangi that can hold long enough to do that is the power of the sage which tobi had.

Even Madara commented that even with Hashirama's DNA, Danzo's Izanagi was inferior. The user can control the time when the technique will take the effect.
Danzo's corpse has stayed there before the technique took effect.

 

[esabo]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

I think its trully madara, but not with his full body powers and hand seals

 

[Kinimaster]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

2. whatever, read the raw and ask someone with knowledge of japanese
3. Danzo was 72 ... I said Torune's father like 70 so its still right.
4. Madara summoned the Kyubi in the first place
5. Yeah, and Naruto could have killed Nagato not talk with him so his plan would end there as well ... risk risk
6. Sure. Thats why Itachi is able to catch people in genjutsu just with fingers ... and Itachi had MS as well and Sasuke rivaled his genjutsu just with Sharingan,
7. we do that

2.- I've read the raw manga and have a friend that knows japanese. we both dont get what you are saying but something else. Sorry.

3.- their difference is more than 20. Most likely 30ish tbh. Sorry, no reason why they should have met.

4.- You asked me when did Tobi get a hold on the Kyubi, he did after pullling it out from Kushina, and controlled it, thats what i said he could of fooled Minato into thinking he is in fact Madara Uchiha. While it could be someone with Madara's eyes or powers. Get it now?

5.- Don think a cautious person like Tobi would take such risks, sorry. He never believed Nagato would betray him. But Nagato as a kid is a completely unnecesary risk for him, the kid even got to meet Jiraiya.

6.- Im sorry but Sasuke genjutsu never rivaled Itachi's, and Sasuke didnt had MS back then. Plus Sasuke broke Tsukuyomi because of the Uchiha blood rule and the cursed mark. While this 2 brothers were more like equals in power. I dont really see your point here because if Madara casted genjutsu on Izuna he would break it in a sec, because he is an Uchiha with MS. Dont even know why you brought Sasuke to the discussion. Everyone knows he sucked at genjutsu in comparison with Itachi. Now hopefully he is better with his new eyes. Back to the point i think Izuna gave Madara his eyes to save him because he was the leader of the clan. Uchiha's curse.

7.- Im glad you accept it.

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

2.- I've read the raw manga and have a friend that knows japanese. we both dont get what you are saying but something else. Sorry.

3.- their difference is more than 20. Most likely 30ish tbh. Sorry, no reason why they should have met.

4.- You asked me when did Tobi get a hold on the Kyubi, he did after pullling it out from Kushina, and controlled it, thats what i said he could of fooled Minato into thinking he is in fact Madara Uchiha. While it could be someone with Madara's eyes or powers. Get it now?

5.- Don think a cautious person like Tobi would take such risks, sorry. He never believed Nagato would betray him. But Nagato as a kid is a completely unnecesary risk for him, the kid even got to meet Jiraiya.

6.- Im sorry but Sasuke genjutsu never rivaled Itachi's, and Sasuke didnt had MS back then. Plus Sasuke broke Tsukuyomi because of the Uchiha blood rule and the cursed mark. While this 2 brothers were more like equals in power. I dont really see your point here because if Madara casted genjutsu on Izuna he would break it in a sec, because he is an Uchiha with MS. Dont even know why you brought Sasuke to the discussion. Everyone knows he sucked at genjutsu in comparison with Itachi. Now hopefully he is better with his new eyes. Back to the point i think Izuna gave Madara his eyes to save him because he was the leader of the clan. Uchiha's curse.

7.- Im glad you accept it.

2. i still hold to that
3. do the math again, it match
4. Im not talking about that ... sure I know he took it from Kushina.
Kyubi was Madara's personal summon.
The guy that fought Minato summoned it into mid of Konoha. From where did he get the contract ? It was Madara of course.
5. Risk. What if Naruto punched Nagato into face with Sage mode thus destroying the Rinnegan eyes or throwing FRS to destroy him completely.
6. It take a few second to break from genjutsu, enough time for him to use paralyzation technique as well and rip out his eyes.
7. me too

 

[Kinimaster]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

2. i still hold to that
3. do the math again, it match
4. Im not talking about that ... sure I know he took it from Kushina.
Kyubi was Madara's personal summon.
The guy that fought Minato summoned it into mid of Konoha. From where did he get the contract ? It was Madara of course.
5. Risk. What if Naruto punched Nagato into face with Sage mode thus destroying the Rinnegan eyes or throwing FRS to destroy him completely.
6. It take a few second to break from genjutsu, enough time for him to use paralyzation technique as well and rip out his eyes.
7. me too

3.- i did, same difference.
4.- If he has Madara's eyes he has access to the secrets of sharingan(stone). So to the contract.
5.- Tobi never thought Nagato would lose nor they will discover his secret(thanks to Jiraiya).
6.- Not likely to happen in that given situation.

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

3.- i did, same difference.
4.- If he has Madara's eyes he has access to the secrets of sharingan(stone). So to the contract.
5.- Tobi never thought Nagato would lose nor they will discover his secret(thanks to Jiraiya).
6.- Not likely to happen in that given situation.

if you say so ... we will se ; ) also have you read my post back ? Tobi/Madara's eye moon plan is not possible : D so it does not matter

 

[Kinimaster]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

if you say so ... we will se ; ) also have you read my post back ? Tobi/Madara's eye moon plan is not possible : D so it does not matter

Yeah i read it, well thought, but thats just assuming that moon proyects it self like our moon and that if that planet has a rotation sistem like ours. Maybe the genjutsu would proyect in like a atmosphere tipe of mass, i dont know what is Kishi thinking, but dont think Tobi thinks that his plan has any flaws besides the difficulty of starting it.

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Yeah i read it, well thought, but thats just assuming that moon proyects it self like our moon and that if that planet has a rotation sistem like ours. Maybe the genjutsu would proyect in like a atmosphere tipe of mass, i dont know what is Kishi thinking, but dont think Tobi thinks that his plan has any flaws besides the difficulty of starting it.

Well, theres day and night cycle in Naruto like in real world .. so im really interested what is Kishi planning ... maybe he will create another moon

 

[laxus]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Well, theres day and night cycle in Naruto like in real world .. so im really interested what is Kishi planning ... maybe he will create another moon

he could just cast it on the moon and if anyone looks they will be in genjutsu it just takes one look and genjutsu inserts the user chakra to there brain flow so
since tobi has then tentails chakra which may be infinite then he could control people forever even when there cycles it would still have the tomoe sharingan on it and people are bound to look at it becaust that tomoesharingan moon willbe there forever this could be a way

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

You are right. So, some more theories about Tobi or coffin stuff ? : D

 

[Disquiet]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

I havent told a soul was not meant that he has not told the secret to anyone. He meant that he did not bind the soul to that summoned body. Read different translation. And to Izuna, re-read what I said again and that chapter as well.
How would Izuna take someone's eyes when he was blind ? ... Madara has send him to fight.
It was not like: "Oh, brother ... just take my eyes and now I will go and get myself killed for fun"

lol,I think I've got this one in the bag xd the other translation I read said "I won't tell anyone" though can't find it but who cares since you haven't showed me a translation other than "I haven't told a soul" and you do realize that anybody in their right mind who reads that will clearly see that it doesn't mean he haven't bonded the soul to the body, you're making yourself look silly and lost for explanations, you should just say you can't explain that part, I mean really. I'm going to pretend I didn't read that and give you a chance for a second answer. and lol, no it must have been your explanation, "izuna I'm about to pick you up and throw you out on the battlefield" I mean if he LET izuna fight blind then izuna must have been able to walk and FIGHT!! so he could have gotten his own eyes, in fact he could have just went into the shadows and worked on his own hoping to one day get his revenge, I mean it seem to me he would have been conspriring to get madara back and would not so stupidly just die on the battle field fighting blind. dude, you are COMPLETELY dodging all my answers with silliness.

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

whatever man.

 

[Disquiet]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Even Madara commented that even with Hashirama's DNA, Danzo's Izanagi was inferior. The user can control the time when the technique will take the effect.
Danzo's corpse has stayed there before the technique took effect.

just wanted to say that danzo's was inferior because he wasn't uchiha, but an uchiha still needs senju blood, please go read chapter 510 page 10, dude so much of your information is wrong, no wonder you're so confused

 

[Disquiet]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

IMO: Tobi is Tobi. The guy in his head though So6P eldest son. Tobi is another play on words as the eldest can Jump from body to body just like a virus. He's been lots of folks over the ages, but still after that illusive Peace through Power.

a theory I can definitely agree with, I still think it's possible to be other shinobi though such as izuna but +rep

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

just wanted to say that danzo's was inferior because he wasn't uchiha, but an uchiha still needs senju blood, please go read chapter 510 page 10, dude so much of your information is wrong, no wonder you're so confused

You are the one confused. Theres no need for Senju blood to perform Izanagi ... Its just stronger with it.

"Izanagi can only be used by those with the genetic traits of the Sage of the Six Paths. The Uchiha, descended from the Sage, are able to perform Izanagi with their Sharingan.
To make full use of Izanagi, users must also have the genetic traits of the Senju, who are also descended from the Sage. For this reason Danzō had some of Hashirama Senju's DNA transplanted into his arm, which had the added benefit of increasing his physical energy and vitality. Madara Uchiha also makes use of Hashirama's DNA, though he claims to have gained control of it, unlike Danzō."

 

[Disquiet]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

You are the one confused. Theres no need for Senju blood to perform Izanagi ... Its just stronger with it.

"Izanagi can only be used by those with the genetic traits of the Sage of the Six Paths. The Uchiha, descended from the Sage, are able to perform Izanagi with their Sharingan.
To make full use of Izanagi, users must also have the genetic traits of the Senju, who are also descended from the Sage. For this reason Danzō had some of Hashirama Senju's DNA transplanted into his arm, which had the added benefit of increasing his physical energy and vitality. Madara Uchiha also makes use of Hashirama's DNA, though he claims to have gained control of it, unlike Danzō."

my goodness man, read the chapter, 510 page 10, why do you make so much stuff up? and goodnight will reply when I can and that's really IF I reply since this is just getting so silly.

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

my goodness man, read the chapter, 510 page 10, why do you make so much stuff up? and goodnight will reply when I can and that's really IF I reply since this is just getting so silly.

LOL whatever man ... I have not made that up.
If you are dumb, your call. I will not try to change that.