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[Zexion~]

Orochimaru has Edo Tensei Hashirama, Minato, Tobirama, & Hiruzen.



Go into Further Detail, in staid of saying "he" just say who "he" really is. My mind is jumping left & right. Idk who your talking about anymore...

I'll be glad to debate with you all day. I know I'll win.

It was obviously just a broad explaination .. lol don't get to cocky there Just set the day and im there my man .

 

[ghettoninja27]

He is the Second if you Count EDo Tensei or Maybe the First ( if there is no Juubito in the list )
But Without Edo tensei Sure he is not the Second
Nagato and itachi are stronger

But i think he is Stronger Than Rinnegan Obito ( no Juubito ) Because Kakashi owned Rinnegan Obito

I'm not trying to hate man, just having a friendly debate. I just feel like oro tried to destroy the leaf and he failed. nagato tried to destroy the leaf and he for the most part did.

 

[Prestonyoko]

HAHAHA Says the one who has Konan over almost everyone and itachi over Nagato your clearly an ignorant fan who likes to think they know the Akatsuki but you really do not :|

You Underate Konan really Hard. I can explain how she defeats the Akatsuki 1 by 1 if you like.

& people are too foolish to understand that Pain has no counter to Itachi's Genjutsu. Period.

 

[Prestonyoko]

he doesn't have control of hashirama though.

Yes he actually does, he chose to be a good guy & let the Kage roam free. They are still under Orochimaru's bind.

 

[Fodder#4]

You Underate Konan really Hard. I can explain how she defeats the Akatsuki 1 by 1 if you like.

& people are too foolish to understand that Pain has no counter to Itachi's Genjutsu. Period.

Pein, or Nagato? Pein does.

It's highly unlikely that Itachi will capture all six paths in a genjutsu, the summons, and what not. All at the same time. Several ways Genjutsu can be evaded and detected is when one path is put in a genjutsu and sees a different outcome then the others. Nagato can easily pick up on this and have a path break the Poor Genjutsu'd bastard free.

OR, he could alter, slow down, or stop sending chakra. This would itself free the Path from genjutsu. It would be left vulnerable, but no more vulnerable then it would have been in a Genjutsu. Genjutsu isn't something a Path has to worry about. Unless it's the Frog Song, or tsukuyomi (Debatable).

All in all, Genjutsu can be picked up fairly easily and Itachi, even if he tries to put a single path in it. Would be swarmed by others or one of the large summons that the Animal Path can produce, before he can make any useful arrangement out of the stalled Path.

Unless it's in Amegakure and it's a similar battle to Jiraiya vs Pein. Then Genjutsu could be handy. But only a select few can beat Pein in Amegakure. the Naraka Path, when hidden, can just continually repair and resurrect each defeated Path.

 

[Zexion~]

You Underate Konan really Hard. I can explain how she defeats the Akatsuki 1 by 1 if you like.

& people are too foolish to understand that Pain has no counter to Itachi's Genjutsu. Period.

Except for the fact that there is more then one pain .. And the fact that they are corpses so tsukuyomi's way of inflicting imaginary pain will not work on them :| Plus He has the rinnegan .. And Konan's strongest attack is tanked by Domu (1000000000000) paper bombs .. Yep that will indeed be tanked by domu so she lsoes to Kakuzu

 

[Edo Odin]

Well Hidan is quite complicated if you take the time.. Yes without chakra you can not move .. but with a punctured heart you can not breath now can you? Nor can you move or can your blood keep flowing .. but yes his does.. I doubt chakra exhaustion is the end of him .. And actually Zetsu's base stats . like Strength,speed,agility and stamina are all lower then hidans . the only thing he may have on him is wood and sensing and perhaps intelligence..No Hidan basically has unlimited stamina, .. and the clones are not taking him down .. so eventually Zetsu would have to come up again where he gets pawned by Hidan ..

IMO hidan takes ALOT more people then Zetsu can .. Not counting his 1000000000 clones

It still does not change the fact that without any energy, it's impossible for an object to move. When completely out of chakra, he's no more than a mere dead object, that much was shown when Nagato met his end when he ran out of Chakra. Suggesting that Hidan could still move without trouble would be the same as saying that he has endless Chakra..And dear Lord, I do hope that's not what you're stating.

Base stats are irrelevant. While they may be a good way to show a Shinobi's proficiency in one area over another, one shinobi being superior than another in a certain stat does not necessarily mean that he beats the other one in a fight.

And Zetsu would not need to come up at all, quite the contrary. He already displayed at the Kage meeting that it's not necessary to be too close to an opponent, and when Zetsu gets his spores on Hidan (The fact that they are unsensable and that Hidan has no info on them is not exactly working in Hidan's favor) it's game over. A single spore was able to bring Chōjūrō, a swordsman so proficient that he had earned a spot in Kirigakure's Seven Ninja Swordsmen, down to his knees where he had no option other than waiting to be saved. [

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of these at a time? He could not get them off, nor could he keep fighting with the Zetsu hanging on, so ultimately, he'd be completely overpowered, without Zetsu himself having to do a thing aside from controlling the clones and waiting for them to finish.

 

[Zexion~]

It still does not change the fact that without any energy, it's impossible for an object to move. When completely out of chakra, he's no more than a mere dead object, that much was shown when Nagato met his end when he ran out of Chakra. Suggesting that Hidan could still move without trouble would be the same as saying that he has endless Chakra..And dear Lord, I do hope that's not what you're stating.

Base stats are irrelevant. While they may be a good way to show a Shinobi's proficiency in one area over another, one shinobi being superior than another in a certain stat does not necessarily mean that he beats the other one in a fight.

And Zetsu would not need to come up at all, quite the contrary. He already displayed at the Kage meeting that it's not necessary to be too close to an opponent, and when Zetsu gets his spores on Hidan (The fact that they are unsensable and that Hidan has no info on them is not exactly working in Hidan's favor) it's game over. A single spore was able to bring Chōjūrō, a swordsman so proficient that he had earned a spot in Kirigakure's Seven Ninja Swordsmen, down to his knees where he had no option other than waiting to be saved. [

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of these at a time? He could not get them off, nor could he keep fighting with the Zetsu hanging on, so ultimately, he'd be completely overpowered, without Zetsu himself having to do a thing aside from controlling the clones and waiting for them to finish.

Dude, Without a throat its also impossible to speak yet hidan can .. His chakra system was obliterated so he must of had no "energy" yet he was still able to move his jaw quite lively .. im pretty positive chakra depletion does nothing .. In fact maybe his immortality is due to the fact that he has no chakra at all ( thats a good theory for later :snick and No most shinobi purely rely on base stats .. So i still think the spores will not do anything to Hidan .. and at the most he would not be affected by it untill it drained ALL of his chakra but even that is doubtful for my opening reason .. And if zetsu was hanging on to his body could he not just impale himself killing them but not him? .. Or is his completely different then Sakon/Ukon's (don't really know much about him)

 

[ghettoninja27]

Yes he actually does, he chose to be a good guy & let the Kage roam free. They are still under Orochimaru's bind.

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[Prestonyoko]

Except for the fact that there is more then one pain .. And the fact that they are corpses so tsukuyomi's way of inflicting imaginary pain will not work on them :| Plus He has the rinnegan .. And Konan's strongest attack is tanked by Domu (1000000000000) paper bombs .. Yep that will indeed be tanked by domu so she lsoes to Kakuzu

1: Okay Pain has linked Vision. Meaning if one Pain gets hit with Genjutsu then they All fall under it. Thew Summonings have linked Vision too.

2: Nagato is controlling the corpses right? Nagato see's everything they see. Therefore Genjutsu will still hit them.

3: Whats Domu...Sorry.

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Okay.. So he doesn't control Hashirama. He still has 3 Hokage Zombies.

 

[Zexion~]

1: Okay Pain has linked Vision. Meaning if one Pain gets hit with Genjutsu then they All fall under it. Thew Summonings have linked Vision too.

2: Nagato is controlling the corpses right? Nagato see's everything they see. Therefore Genjutsu will still hit them.

3: Whats Domu...Sorry.



Okay.. So he doesn't control Hashirama. He still has 3 Hokage Zombies.

Do they share the linked Brain? No .. and no because if that was the case Nagato would of been caught in the toad chant genjutsu and not able to control the other ones that revived them ... U_U ...

Not that it matters because ST is quicker then tsukuyomi ..

And Domu is Earth Spear .

 

[Flawž]

nagato should be second.

 

[Edo Odin]

Dude, Without a throat its also impossible to speak yet hidan can .. His chakra system was obliterated so he must of had no "energy" yet he was still able to move his jaw quite lively .. im pretty positive chakra depletion does nothing .. In fact maybe his immortality is due to the fact that he has no chakra at all ( thats a good theory for later :snick and No most shinobi purely rely on base stats .. So i still think the spores will not do anything to Hidan .. and at the most he would not be affected by it untill it drained ALL of his chakra but even that is doubtful for my opening reason .. And if zetsu was hanging on to his body could he not just impale himself killing them but not him? .. Or is his completely different then Sakon/Ukon's (don't really know much about him)

Him being able to talk while decapitated does in no way mean that he certainly literally has endless Chakra/Stamina. Such a thing would simply be insane, the only being who's ever been shown having immeasurable Chakra was the Juubi itself, and now suddenly Hidan has endless Chakra? That's just illogical. Frankly, I don't even see where that conclusion even came from.

And base stats don't mean much at all. They're merely something that can be used as a support, not something which can be used as 'X has a higher stamina than Y, so X will always outlast Y no matter what', it simply doesn't work that way..

You also state that Hidan would not be affected at all until his reserves are completely empty, and yet, you don't take into account the fact that Naruto immediately became tired and almost drifted away when he had parts of his Chakra removed, despite having a lot left. It's been shown before that when you have your Chakra extracted from you, you will get exhausted quickly, and yet, for some reason that I frankly don't get, you seem to consider Hidan to be completely unaffected by this, solely because he has shown to be able to do supernatural things which are completely unrelated. I must say, a lot of your argument here consists of nothing more than mere speculation, and not much else.

And considering the regenerative abilities of the Zetsu, I'd say that it's quite safe to assume that simply impaling himself over an over before he's gotten rid of all of the Zetsu that the real Zetsu has decided to throw at him, would not be an effective counter.

 

[tazze019]

How does Nagato counter Genjutsu?

He can, during the Pain invasion arc he put genjutsu shield of one of Pain body.

 

[OWanime]

1: Obito Uchiha

2: Nagato/Pein/

3: Sasuke Uchiha

4: Itachi

5: Kakuzu/Kisame

6: Kisame/Kakuzu

7: Deidara/Sasori/Orochimaru

8: Sasori/Deidara/Orochimaru

9: Orochimaru/Deidara/Sasori

10: Konan

11: Suigetsu

12: Hidan

13: Juugo

14: Zetsu

15: Yahiko

16: Karin

My opinion in the rankings. I find issues with the bolded. I did NOT include Edo's for Orochimaru. It's like counting KA for a top ten list. Danzo and Shisui, two characters who don't deserve the top ten rankings would be 1st and 2nd.

Nice I like this better xd

 

[Zexion~]

Him being able to talk while decapitated does in no way mean that he certainly literally has endless Chakra/Stamina. Such a thing would simply be insane, the only being who's ever been shown having immeasurable Chakra was the Juubi itself, and now suddenly Hidan has endless Chakra? That's just illogical. Frankly, I don't even see where that conclusion even came from.

And base stats don't mean much at all. They're merely something that can be used as a support, not something which can be used as 'X has a higher stamina than Y, so X will always outlast Y no matter what', it simply doesn't work that way..

You also state that Hidan would not be affected at all until his reserves are completely empty, and yet, you don't take into account the fact that Naruto immediately became tired and almost drifted away when he had parts of his Chakra removed, despite having a lot left. It's been shown before that when you have your Chakra extracted from you, you will get exhausted quickly, and yet, for some reason that I frankly don't get, you seem to consider Hidan to be completely unaffected by this, solely because he has shown to be able to do supernatural things which are completely unrelated. I must say, a lot of your argument here consists of nothing more than mere speculation, and not much else.

And considering the regenerative abilities of the Zetsu, I'd say that it's quite safe to assume that simply impaling himself over an over before he's gotten rid of all of the Zetsu that the real Zetsu has decided to throw at him, would not be an effective counter.

But Chakra is like energy right? ... So when his chakra system gets destroyed he should have NO energy at all ? .. But yet he was still able to talk ... Im not saying he has unlimited im saying that chakra depletion may not affect him. Also He has a 5 in Stamina (so he must have a lot of it at least) .. And Hidan =/= Naruto .. He was not affected in the slightest from a blows that made a jounin fall to his feet (hope you dont mind im not using scans) And since when does Zetsu have such regenerative prowess (no seriously i don't know lol) .. However i think its safe to assume Hidan can regerate from wounds as well now that i think about it ..because as you Know he impaled himself in the Heart but yet the bleeding was minor and it stopped rather quickly meaning his wound can regenerate or his blood does not flow but alas this is more speculation ..

And that is because unlike Zetsu Hidan really only had one arc.. He did not even ever get another like the rest of the Akatsuki .. So most of his abilities have to be speculated on...And you can not just simply dis-regard those supernatural things and say that chakra depletion definitely will end him ..

 

[Prestonyoko]

Do they share the linked Brain? No .. and no because if that was the case Nagato would of been caught in the toad chant genjutsu and not able to control the other ones that revived them ... U_U ...

Not that it matters because ST is quicker then tsukuyomi ..

And Domu is Earth Spear .

Okay your wrong again. Here's proof that once one Pain is caught, the rest of them are caught too.

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Genjutrsu is Genjutsu.

Are you also forgetting that if all it takes is a glance at Itachi's eyes and youre caught in it and you don't even have to be looking at him to be caught in it and here's proof

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Mhm.

 

[Kakashisquad]

Kisangani should be higher

 

[Dark Artist]

My list Without Taka Members , Juubito is not included Because he is not Obito anymore :

1 - Nagato
2 - Itachi
3 - Orochimaru ( Without Edo )
4 - Kakuzu
5 - Kisame
6 - Sasori
7 - Deidara
8 - Rinnegan Obito ( he got his ass kicked By kakashi )
9 - Konan
10 - Hidan

 

[Kakashisquad]

Kisame ****