[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 619 Discussion and 620 Predictions

[temitope]

This is the first chapter I've read twice, hashirama fanboy ftw

 

[Bulbasaor]

If you read obito's flashbacks you'll see that kakashi and obito's mangekyo awakened at the same time so its either both eyes awakened because of obito's sadness then because both eyes are his they awakened at the same time or its because they both lost someone they cared about at the same time so they developed the mangekyuo at the same time either way kakashi's mangekyuo was awakened.as a result of rin's death

Yes, but the mangekyou awakens, when owners brain sends special kind of chakra to ones optical nerves. Only Uchiha brain can send this chakra, so how did Kakashi do it, because he is not uchica? Or maybe obito's brain sended it to Kakashis eye through air or ?

 

[Kupo13]

The 1st was saying that sasuke is innocent not that he isn't pureblood uchiha

I also think the uchihas don't marry outside their clan XDDD

 

[eimaj777]

i just wish the fourth hokage would of said something to sasuke before it was over

 

[izaac7777]

Funny how they the two hokages like Goku and Vegeta. Hashirama having warm colors, warm personality, very caring even to his enemies, and goofy like Goku. and Tobirama always crossing his arms, having cool colors, and seems a bit more ruthless like Vegeta. It's fun and I like how they explained to whole sharingan eyes phenomenon. I can see most Uchias that are bound more to they're clan end up like Madara, Obito, and even Sasuke. but those who think more than just the clan don't fall so easily and my guess is that Itachi and Shisui would have been even stronger then the other Uchias, I just mentioned, since they were more wise and reasonable like a Hokage. Still though can't wait for the next chapter

 

[Maximo]

● Logically, Rikudou Sage was a legend of his time. Meaning, when he died he could have gotten a pretty elaborous burial in a very special tomb. What if that tomb was hidden somewhere inside the uchiha hideout ? Just a thought. Probably not since it would have been pretty much an overkill if Orochimaru summoned the 4 Hokages + the Sage.

● I re-read the chapter where Madara freed himself from Edo Tensei. When he made the release, he said something about "releasing the Edo Tensei contract". It implies that he could have done it anytime he wanted to, as long as he has the freedom of movement. Offcourse, we have to account the fact that Kabuto could have stopped his movements if Madara tried to release himself. Tobirama is maybe waiting for the right moment to make the release.

● Senju and Uchiha clans seem to revel at the same point, but in opposite directions. At the heart of theyre strenght is love, but whilst Senjus gain more power when they are given and share more love (feeling those emotions makes them earn for power to protect), the Uchihas on the other hand gain more power when they loose theyre loved ones (feeling those emotions makes them earn for power to destroy).

● Next chapter is going to be pretty darn important. Hashiramas definitions of shinobi and a village is going to shed some light on how Naruto is going to change the great nations. Hashirama was the first one in a long time since the Rikudou Sage to start building pillars for better future. He clearly had some idea, Naruto will pretty much pick up on that idea and push it further. Plus, I think Naruto desperately NEEDS some few words of advice from the previous Hokages to make the rise for the position himself.

● Im a little bamboozled by this new Sasukes stance. He said he has no second thoughts, but to me it seems like he does. As Sasuke said, he needs more information, more clarity. Why would he need that if he didnt have any second thought. To me it seems like he isnt sure about his revenge anymore. Remember, loosing loved ones means Uchihas are pushed more to the dark side. What if, even for a moment, those loved ones were to return to them ? Wouldnt that snap them out if theyre dark side even a little bit ? Atleast they would be given closure. Sasuke does look more "matured" since he met Itachi.

 

[KenjiroGosenji]

I been seen this a lot with Obito and Kakashi MS. Their Sharingan are the same. When one implants their eyes into someone else and that person is alive the original person who own the ability is the only person to advance even further. Kakashi MS ability could only be used 5 times at max and it drain his chakra fast but when Obito started to use his that increase Kakashi limit and it decrease amount of chakra it drain from him because both eyes are together and link. Like if Itachi would of implant one of his eyes in Naruto he would have both Sharingan and Mangekyou Sharingan even it abilities. Because when Itachi implant his eyes into Sasuke to keep Madara from enter his mind his active a defense system within his eyes when he was alive just in case and when he died it pass onto Sasuke. Same with Negeto eyes when they was implant from Madara he had all the abilities but when he died and Obito took his eyes he didn't have the push, pull, absorb charka like Negeto because those was due to his bloodline. Or maybe Obito can use Negeto abilities but we haven't seen anything link to that showing it that he could. Because he just been using his Mangekyou Sharingan.

Next chapter we going to see more information about what was the plan for the First Hokage and the Uchiha history about their abilities and why they turn evil. Or we may see some reason why Oro change his plan and a little bit more of the battlefield. We may get new information about Senju Clan and Uzumaki Clan. But I believe more reason to why the Uchiha was so bad of a clan that the First Hokage had to do something about it before they destroy every thing.

 

[ilovemunchsasuke]

5/5--amazing chap! Never expected the 1st to be this cheerful. It's like he caught luffy's personality. I like it! I finally get to know more about tobirama as well.

 

[uchiha bin uzumaki]

It's safe to assume that each of the previous Hokage died of the RDS... maybe it was some kind of pact between them... use it as a last ditch effort and to counter the 2nd's EDO Jutsu.

 

[Lost Age]

i found it kinda funny to see the first being so aloof XD. Tobirama was a tad stuck up, but he cut to the chase. Also it is funny how suigetsu is hideing behind oro. I thought it was a good chapter, and expanded on the depth of narutoverse a bit. (such as we did not know itachi was truly a konoha spy in akutsuki, and was asked to be so by the leaf. I like how kishi is takeing his time with this. While some of you may just want to see the kages fight, when you look back at this when naruto is over you will be glad kishi did stuff like this.


(also hashi getting deppressed at tsunade being hokage, and him teaching her gambling was a nice touch)

I've always thought that hashirama was the best kage, part with tsunade backround was awesome, it was also funny to see "brotherly love" great chapter 4/5, could've seen some more flare from sasuke, and whatare orochimaru`s true intents?

 

[lukasenko]

I think he "lost" his life. He won the battle but lost his life for the benefit of his son and the village. He couldn't continue to hold off and fight Kurama, so he sacrificed himself, the only way he could do it because he still didn't know where Obito was and the most immediate threat to Naruto and the village was the Kurama.

Didn't he have to use his body to shield Naruto and Kushina from Kurama?
Didn't Kushina use her body to shield Naruto?

So I don't understand where your rationale comes from where you say he didn't lose? He made the best of a horrible situation, but he did, technically, and figuratively, lose.

so based on your rationale obito won . . . that does not make sense. And again, based on your rationale the third lost against oro. SO all and all the person who uses shiki fuujin looses every time? Cuz that's where ur rationale leads.

You don't have to kill someone in order to win. How exactly did obito beat minato? Since you want to be very technical; the moment that the fox stabbed minato and kushina, obito was not in control of the fox. Minato made it so that obito would not have control over him. So to be technical mister, obito got out of battle at the moment that he got back smashed by minato... So how exactly did obito win? How did he win when he escaped after getting damaged by minato?

next time, get ur facts right. Just by saying that the fox pierced through minato and kushina does not mean anything and it has nothing to do with obito since he wasn't controlling the fox at that time. You have to differentiate obito vs minato and minato vs the fox.

 

[dshareef222]

I was just asking my sister the same question and we both agreed that Sasuke doesn't know that Minato is Naruto's dad cause Naruto just found, I don't think anyone has told Sasuke that.

I loved that chapter 5/5
Did anyone else notice when Minato was talking on page

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. Minato said "Originaly is was a sealing Technique of the Uzumaki clan After losing my Jutsu, I've been studying the ruins and documents of the now lost clan. What did Minato mean that is lost is Jutsu or did I just miss something

So about that chapter, I was laughing so much at the beginning. That way the First acts is funny and like everyone says it dose remind you of Naruto. The Second is very straight foreword, but what he did to the Uchihas he thought was the right thing to do at the time, even thought it turned out bad. (OFF TOPIC- if the Uchihas were the police of the village and the Uchihas are all gone then how took over the police force) Laugh when they asked Minato how he was and points to his back and shows he was the fourth best funny part and the First reaction was so surprising. I feel sorry for Minato cause he has to tell them that he died before the Third. Then finding out Tsunade is the fifth, and a little about her past little Tsunade was so cute and she had money at the time. I wonder what is was like when the First and Second were growing up? Was the second always like that to his older brother telling him to be quite. Still don't know what to think about the Uchihas when there eyes change cause they have to much love and they become crazy when they lose someone
The last question Sasuke asked the First is a little confusion "what is the village, and what are the shinobi in the first place" Can't wait to know that answer, I can't even guess what the First will say.

Actually, I believe it's Orochimaru speaking. He was telling Minato that he was underestimating him and that after losing his jutsu (his arms), he studied the Uzumaki clan's scrolls.

 

[lukasenko]

I can agree with you on all of this, I have been rewatching Naruto from the beginning and all of this is correct to me.


This stuff I have a problem with. The Tailed Beast have hinted toward Naruto being the reincarnation of the SO6P, the sage himself said they would meet a better version of him, I don't know how you forget something that important. You say it's impossible for Naruto to get Rinnegan, then somewhat go back on that statement. Nothing is certain in Naruto anymore, the war arc has showed us that plenty of times. And although the sage's powers were probably unbelievable I don't recall him ever "beating" the Jubi, infact I believe he knew he was the one that couldn't beat it or that one person couldn't beat it, so he did what he thought was right which was obviously making the tailed beast at the time of his death to disperse it's chakra and prolong the Jubi's revival.

let me please rephrase my statement as i think u did not clearly perceive my point.

Concerning naruto being the sage - i said that it is impossible for him to get the eyes and i quote "with as much info as we know" . I did not ban the chance, i said that with as much info as we know there is not link between naruto and him getting the rinnegan. Maybe naruto will be a spiritual reincarnation of the sage, by uniting all the beasts, but i believe that the sage's power wont be attained by anyone.

Secondly, i agree with you, and i believe that the problem here was my phrasing by using the word "beating". You are right, the sage did not beat the juubi. Instead he sealed it. But by this it is implied that the sage was strong enough to surpress the juubis chakra inside of him. According to this:

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[dshareef222]

Whatever Oro's plan was in part 1 it has changed, imo. In part 1 Orochimaru wanted Sasuke's body. But now Naruto has developed his power (SageMode) to potentially become the next SO6P. Why wouldn't Oro want Naruto's body? With Naruto's body he could also become the juubi.That is not possible with Sasuke's body. In order to become the Dragon mode Sasuke's body needed to be enhanced with the curse mode from Juugo. Maybe Oro will use Sasuke and his sharingan to gain control over the kyuubi and then Naruto's body.

What manga have I been reading? What manga have you been reading? When did Naruto become a "no-talent"?

Esairu, good points. Agree with you.

edit: I get you are a fan of Sasuke, so am I but really. You need to be a little more objective when it comes to evaluating his weaknesses as well as his strengths. His strengths lie in his eyes and Naruto in his "body".

As for wanting naruto's body, it may have been an issue with the fox. If Orochimaru tried to take over Naruto's body. Kurama may have rejected him ala Pa--Frog sage. More importantly Orochimaru now has one part of SO6P, he has white zetsus body. If he gets a couple Uchiha eyes he would then be able to possess the Reningan.

 

[pistons50]

I read the chapter a few times. It was great. I'd much prefer if the hokages stay out of the fight with madera tho.

 

[LycanWarrior]

well that shows u that naruto's clan is capable of

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[LycanWarrior]

it also tells us wat the uchiha r also capable of

 

[lion fang master]

Whatever Oro's plan was in part 1 it has changed, imo. In part 1 Orochimaru wanted Sasuke's body. But now Naruto has developed his power (SageMode) to potentially become the next SO6P. Why wouldn't Oro want Naruto's body? With Naruto's body he could also become the juubi.That is not possible with Sasuke's body. In order to become the Dragon mode Sasuke's body needed to be enhanced with the curse mode from Juugo. Maybe Oro will use Sasuke and his sharingan to gain control over the kyuubi and then Naruto's body.

What manga have I been reading? What manga have you been reading? When did Naruto become a "no-talent"?

Esairu, good points. Agree with you.

edit: I get you are a fan of Sasuke, so am I but really. You need to be a little more objective when it comes to evaluating his weaknesses as well as his strengths. His strengths lie in his eyes and Naruto in his "body".

Just like I said if orochimaru wanted naruto he could have taken him long time ago. tobimara and hashirama said the they got strong thru love which is clearly not only the senju way but also the way the leaf village operates and it's not an oro thing and the uchiha believed more in jutsu which orochimaru believes in and with all the jutsu he has accumulated over the years he couldn't beat itachi and sasuke. He clearly want the sharingan since he has never defeated them + its connected to the so6p.

 

[Naruto Power]

Naruto 620 Prediction:The Question

Hashirama: What is a village? What is a shinobi? Well that's simple enough to answer!
Sasuke: Tell me.
Hashirama: When I created the leaf, I wanted to make a home not only for myself, but for others as well. You see, back then there were no leaf,cloud,sand etc. there was just shinobi.
Sasuke: What is the role of a shinobi? Why was this system created?
Hashirama: Shinobi is a just a title to those who understand the art of manipulating the chakra inside them, as well as the will to act.
Sasuke: ...to act.

Hashirama: The art of shinobi was never meant to be used as a weapon or a tool, rather, to increase living standards to a point that would allow us humans to live in peace. However...when I formed the hidden leaf, we were limited by basic supplies and needs, things we could not create with chakra. The same thing happened towards other nations, and thus trade needed to happen. The only thing the leaf had to offer were the 9 bijuu that were under my procession.
Sasuke: I see..you sent the other bijuu away to secure your village.
Tobirama: A terrible move on his part..
Hashirama: Tsk, they were peaceful creatures back then you know!
Sasuke: Peaceful?
Hashirama: All bijuu are peaceful, it's men who want to take advantage of their power that causes them to become dangerous.
Sasuke: ...Madara.
Tobirama: His eyes took control over the 9 tails and he attacked his own village head on. Coward uchiha always playing dirty.
Hashirama: Hey! Remember it was I who convinced him to have the battle away from the village.
Tobirama: You're lucky he admires your power so much or else the leaf would be no more.
Hashirama: Anyway, to sum this all up....
Tobirama: Uchiha is a plague that cannot be terminated, a never ending cycle of hatred that unleashes it's wrath against everyone else. They're garbage.
Hashirama has a shocked face
Tobirama: I think I summed it up perfectly.
Sasuke glares at Tobirama
Sasuke: Tread carefully second hokage or else this Uchiha will unleash his hatred towards you.
Hiruzen: Sasuke! Don't speak towards the second like that!
Orochimaru: Now now....let's not turn this discussion into a war...we already have one going on.
Hashirama: A war? Now?
Orochimaru: Oh yes.
Hiruzen: Are you behind this Orochimaru?
Orochimaru: Not at all, nor do I have any part in it.
Suigetsu: Some creepy uchiha who wears a mask named Tobi apparently.
Tobirama: Oh look, didn't see that coming. Although I question the name..
Hashirama: TOBIRAMA!
Minato: ! *it must be him*
Hiruzen: How can this one man wage war by himself?
Orochimaru: Well..when he has the 10 tails and Uchiha Madara by his side, it really isn't that difficult.
Hashirama: THE 10 TAILS!? MADARA?
Hiruzen: ! *so the Akatsuki succeded*
Minato: Does this mean...that the 9 tails has sealed away..
Juugo: The birds are telling me that the 8 and 9 tails are still alive.
Minato: You, who is the current jinchuriki of the 9 tails!
Orochimaru: Your son...
Sasuke with a surprised reaction
Orochimaru: Naruto.
Sasuke: So....you're Naruto's father...it's no wonder you resemble him so much..
Minato: So I was right, it wasn't Madara who attacked the village back then...I mean...the first did kill him...
Hashirama: ha...ha..yeah..about that
Minato: No way! you let him live?
Tobirama: Of course he did, Hashirama never kills anyway, he always lets them walk.
Minato: So it was Madara?
Orochimaru: No...the one known as Tobi was the one that attacked the village 16 years ago. You know this person very well 4th.
Minato: !?
Sasuke: ? You know who Tobi is..
Orochimaru: Of course, me and Kabuto knew everything from the beginning.
Sasuke: Who is he really.
Orochimaru: Your sensei's old team mate, and student to the 4th hokage...
Minato with a unbelievably shocked look on his face
Orochimaru: Uchiha Obito

 

[EliteRamenNinja]

Normally we will get next chapter tomorrow.