Well, yes, these two MS techniques have similarities, but they also have differences. Kakashi's Kamui seems to be an offensive tech. It can be used at a long range (e.g. the beginning of shippuuden when he was chasing Deidara). It can also be used at small range (e.g. Pain throwing a nail at Kakashi and Kakashi warping it just before it hit him). So we can assume Kakashi's Kamui is an all-range tech (maybe not usable at point blank, but still you get the point). Now, let's look at Madara's space-time jutsu. When he uses it to warp people he has to touch them. He has only used it from a very low range - to absorb either himself or his enemies. Even in Torune's case when he knew he shouldn't have touched those nano-bugs he still made contact to absorb him. This seems to be a more defensive jutsu. It seems both of these two techniques have offensive and defensive use, but I would say Kamui is offensive and Madara's space-time is defensive.my bad for all the different topics its my first time using this and i have so much questions. since kakashi got his qwn type of ms maybe its possible that different experiences cause different ms to be awakened and kamui looks just like madaras space time maybe its an advanced version of kamui
Good idea, it now makes sense why there was no other than madara that awakened the ems because the others stole their brothers eyes with force.i am just going off of the final secret that itachi mentioned
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here it states that members of the uchiha clan would kill their best friend for the ms and then their siblings to make it permanent. now if other people did have ms and take a siblings eyes, they would gain ems. however, we know that nobody other than madara, and now sasuke, gained an ems. the final requirement may be that the siblings eyes need to willingly be given up in order for the ems to be unlocked. if this were true, then madara would have been telling the truth when he told sasuke that his brother offered his eyes to him.
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now itachi willingly gave up his eyes and ms abilities to sasuke right before dieing. this could be the final secret to ems: the eyes of the sibling must be given up willingly.
this is just one idea, everyone feel free to give thoughts supporting or rejecting it. I'm always open to hearing different theories.
Jabz, thanks for the nice comments, man. I'm glad you like my post. I will try to respond to your post, although some of it is pretty far out there, I might come off a little harsh, so please forgive.yo omni!
your chakra paths got my attention the most. i personally think they are more interesting than the first set you have.
your first set was "madara oriented". i would like to know (should you grace with your wisdom) from you if i "could believe this set"
which came from a "liar". when do we start believing lies? when could i see the credibility of this villain. i guess, i have to believe kabuto a little bit more.
..and regarding the so6p as so6p without the juubi, here's a link i found to support my claim:
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here it says so6p referred to as rikudo sennin. and it is not written anywhere that the rikudo sennin was the s05p.
...well, nothing more to say my friend. guess, less talk, less mistakes with you.
but your posts really are outstanding. am beginning to mimick even your reference provisions. til next dude!
I agree 'that jutsu' is the kyubbi cloak.. without the key to his seal, naruto couldn't use the kyuubi cloak to its potential .. Gama-toad(?) said that with the key Naruto could finally use 'that jutsu'.. J-man and Naruto also trained with the cloak, which is how he got the huge scar across his chest, Naruto lost control at 4-tail form because of the evil kyuubi mind. So Naruto's current Kyuubi cloak may not be 'that jutsu' anymore, because the cloak transformed beyond what any of them imagined, and now he may have to work towards other jutsu's as we have been seeing...Hey SageHokage. Are you talking about the 'that jutsu' that I remember Jiraya referring to in chapter 370? If so I simply believe that this 'that jutsu' is referring to his total mastery of the Kyubi's chakra within him. If that is the case, then he has already mastered it.
Omnigan, you're welcome for the post and thank you for the quick repost!Omnigan said:Pervy-nin! Thanks for the post man!
I'm not sure about the kyuubi giving Naruto the Fire element.
Here is why i think that: I believe that the Kyuubi molds his own chakra into fire.
Naruto does not know how to do this, as far as we know he might not even be able to, ever. I'm not sure we will even see much Element/Sage Chakra from Naruto. Realize that now he has access to the Kyuubi's chakra. It is SUPER powerful. He is going to create a Rasengan out of THAT chakra. That beats the hell out of a Wind Rasengan or a Sage Rasengan any day of the week that ends with Y. In effect, a tailed beast bomb in the palm of his hands. I believe, and will predict that Naruto could even nearly pierce a Susanoo with it. Which we know to be nearly impenetrable. The tailed beast bomb delivered via Naruto's Rasengan is going to be absolutely devastating, and I eagerly await its release. It is a technique that is nasty with regular chakra, even nastier if enhanced with sage chakra, and super nasty enchanced with Wind Element. Imagine how destructive it will be if created from the Kyuubi's chakra. It could kill anyone instantly on impact. Nice question about Kyuubi's Chakra Elements, though.
I hope my response helped.
yeah it was the only way to marry them together like Madara's EMS .. as Madara's MS was on the inside with Izuna's MS making up the outter ring ..yo uhipooped i think sasuke ems might actually look like ur profile pic
As far as I think these two are just random guys Kishi made right now showing them very strong to make the battles more interesting.
Nagato mastered them all as a 10yo kid. (375/11)I can understand what you are saying about the elements path, it seems like they should all be together to make it really count, but each one in itself is amazing. You have to keep that in mind. It's simply inconceivable for one individual to have all the elements. I've heard people claiming that the Rinnengan has access to them all, but I not sure where the idea of that comes from? Is there proof? If so can someone post it? I would appreciate it.
Most jounin wouldn't know more than 2. Only amazing ones would know 3 or possibly 4. Wind, Water, Earth, Lightning, and Fire? PLUS YIN/YANG? I think that is a bit much even for the sage of the six paths. Don't you? The only people we've seen that even come close are people like Kakuzu, who have to use alternative methods to achieve that many. I don't think that sort of maneuvering would be required. I mean, is it even feasible for one ninja to train himself in every single element? Such an undertaking could take a LIFETIME! Not to mention, senjutsu chakra training! We know that Naruto got where he is now only because of his ability to Kage Bunshin. And only to that extent because of him being a Senju/Uzumaki - Jinchuuriki! Kakashi knows kage bunshin but openly admitted that 2 was his limit. He simply doesn't have the chakra to create the army of clones that Naruto can. Naruto's chakra is some of the most powerful chakra in the world! I remember early episodes where some villians simply MARVELED at his ability to continue on when others would have been done 5x over. He would even waste a large amount like a total pud-stain, and then STILL have more left over.
I didn't mean to ramble, sorry! I don't think that having all the elements is a realisitic requirement. Truly, they all fall under the same category - Element.
And it wouldn't be necesary to have all the elements to defeat a monster like the Juubi. All it would take is a "never say die" attitude, and some hard core skills to back it up. It's not the size of the weapon, its how you use it. Its not the weapon, its the person using it. Its not necessary to have all the tricks in the book, simply the most appropriate. The biggest card in the deck so to speak.
Thanks for reading! Love the thought, pervy-nin. You lend me great discussion and I really appreciate it.