[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 524 Discussion and 525 Predictions

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just so everyone knows, i am not as bothered by the subject, as by the lack of admittance regarding the obvious facts. I will hypothesize about the naruto turn of events and hidden meanings as much as, if not more than, the next guy. but what starts to get to me is when some of you continue to bicker over things that are ridiculously unlikely and highly improbable. or something that has already been explained and reexplained by the writer over and over! kishi himself has led us to understand that tobi is madara. no amount of bickering or speculating is going to change him into someone else. like was stated before by boobie220, the only person other than madara who could be tobi, is someone we DONT YET KNOW and HAVE NOT MET. he can not possibly be someone who we have already been introduced to, it is just NOT possible....well other than his brother Izuna I guess...and if you want to guess that it is him, then I probably wouldnt argue with you, because it's not entirely insane to think its him.

if you really want to speculate in the narutoverse as it stands, then speculate on ACTUAL mysteries(something without a "mountain of evidence"). for example: how will madara finally meet his doom and who will be the one to do it? will sasuke die or will he finally be freed of his dark passenger and live happily ever after? will naruto really become the hokage as he as dreamed about since chapter 1 or will he die as a tragic hero, saving the world from calamity?
or if you choose to be more specific or detail oriented...
who is zetsu and what is his relationship to madara? what have we learned about him that we could use to identify the hidden information?
how will using edo tensei so aggressively come back to bite kabuto in the snake butt?
i personally love the discussion about who is in the elusive "sixth" edo coffin that kabuto used to shock madara and ply his way into the akatsuki? I have changed my mind multiple times about that. kishi is such an excellent writer that he has left the door open for our minds to wander and wonder about the possibilities.

however, when it comes down to the identity of the man in the mask identified as tobi...
i really don't see any point in discussing it... is there a chance its someone other than madara? of course! there is almost always a chance of just about anything, thats part of the fun of a make believe world that exists only in the mind of one man who slowly shares his vision of that world with us.
yet this mystery has been solved already, imo. when tobi first hit the scene we didnt even know that madara was supposedly still alive. so of course tobi's identity was a total mystery, the mask was appropriate and even his actions and voice disguised him from the people closest to him. (like kisame for example, he had met madara in the past, but even he didnt realize that tobi was madara). We didnt learn about madara until much later in the story, and then only later after that were tobi and madara associated as being the same individual.
so like i've explained countless times, this mystery is over.
if youre wondering to yourself "well, why does he still wear a mask if the mystery of his identity is over?" i will tell you.
he wears a mask for much the same reason as any villian wears a mask whose identity is not in need of protection. (which madara's identity does not need protection anymore. he has blatantly admitted who he is to some of the most powerful characters in the narutoverse and others have figured it out on their own because of his abilities.)
he wears a mask to protect his face, and hide its deformity....
if you look closely and carefully at his fight with konan, after she destroys part of his mask and he uses izangi, you will notice that his concelead left eye and the surrounding tissue is damaged ( most likely through overuse/continual use of izangi, a forbidden jutsu)
you could even speculate that he wears his mask for much the same reason as kakashi, to protect his sharingan/izanagi eye.
you'll note that when he had only sharingans, he wore a mask with one hole only.
now that he has a sharingan and the rinnengan, he is wearing a mask with two holes.
let me reiterate how pointless a mask is for madara.
even if he went mask-less, WHO would recognize him? its not like his features are so discerning that he could be identified easily by ever little nugget who manages to look at him without being killed....everyone who would have known him without a mask should be DEAD. why would he even care if they did identify him? at this point, hiding his identity is a moot point.

anyways, ive contradicted myself in this post and have rambled on long enough. let me end with this: my mind is open to possibilities, but not stupid ones...ya dig?
You dont know anything more than anyone else so STFU.

Is Tobi Obito? no. That as you said before was proven when we saw Tobi attack konaha when naruto was born and he was an adult. Obito was a teen.

However, you CAN NOT prove Tobi is Madara.

You claim to have a mountain of evidence, but in reality, there is just as much evidence pointing to Tobi NOT being Madara.

If the story was as cut and dry as your imagination, kishi would be out of a job.

So, let me fill you in.

Kishi hasnt shown us Tobis face. Forget about why he hasnt shown it to the other characters, but WHY HASNT KISHI LET US SEE HIS FACE? Obviously Kishi wants everyone to keep guessing as to who Tobi REALLY is.

When Kabuto summons the final coffin, he says "dont worry I havent told a soul". Who could be in that coffin that Tobi wouldnt want anyone to know about besides .....gasp...the true Madara? answer that plz

Tobi has NEVER shown his MS pattern. (we have ALL seen Madaras true MS and EMS, so seeing Tobis would prove if it was him) Why hasnt kishi shown us his pattern?

Tobi has NEVER shown any of the known MS techs. Why didnt he use a MS on Konan instead of sacrificing his left eye? Even if his MS is different from Sasuke and Itachi, your telling me he would rather sacrifice his left EMS rather than use it? Remember BOTH EYES give you a DIFFERENT TECH. IF he sealed one of those EMS eyes, that tech is gone forever.

Many of the elder ninja are old enough to have been alive when Madara was alive.

Madara fought the first hokage. The third hokage knew the first hokage, and he has only been dead a short time. The current tsuchikage looks to be as old, maybe OLDER than the 4th. He would surly have seen Madara at some point during one of the ninja wars or battles that marada was involved in. The current mizukage was promoted to kage just before the 5 kage meeting. The previous mizukage looked to be old as f*ck, so surly he was old enough to have lived when Madara was alive....my point is that if Tobi wanted to absolutly make sure that everyone KNEW he was Madara, then he would have shown his face at the 5 kage meeting.

Im gonna laugh my @$$ of at you if Tobi turns out NOT to be Madara. (which is just as likely to be true as him really being Madara)
 

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youre going to laugh @ ME, if hes not madara?
thats hilarious. i guess im just flattered that you would think of me.
and people say im rude... i didnt tell anyone to stfu...
so um anyways.... i know a lot more than some people around here.
and i disagree that there is as much evidence against tobi being madara as there is evidence for tobi being madara.
one encounter with kabuto, and a mask on his face, does not suddenly make him someone else. and if kishi wants to purposefully mislead all of us by putting tobi in a screenshot and then write in "madara" then im all for being a fool.

what I wont do it\s be a moron who thinks that just because someone wears a mask suddenly they arent who they appear to be...kakashi wears a mask and we still havent seen beneath it... kakuzu wore a mask, in fact ALL OF THE ANBU IN THE WHOLE STORY WEAR A MASK...

and youre right, i CAN NOT do anything. like i said.
i cant even prove im human. not to someone like you anyways. a disbeliever.

and its true about his sharingan being a mystery right now, i didnt say that there werent any mysteries to madara, actually I said the exact opposite...

he has claimed to NOT be his "complete" self and im pretty confident that whatever it is that is incomplete about him has something to do with his eyes...im sure that will all be explained in due time, when the time comes.

and its true that there are a few individuals that may still be alive who might recognize madaras true face, although those are VERY few, and even if they did recognize him, what the hell would it matter? should he care at all whether they recognize him? I say no. we've seen that no one can really hurt him, and definitely not permanently...
konan finally hurt him pretty badly, and he's already fine again. and ever attack thats ever been thrown at him, has pretty much been ineffectual, even the ameratsu which even managed to completely take down the 8 tailed killer bee almost instantly... so i'd say madara has nothing to fear, and someone who has nothing to fear, doesnt hide his identity. instead he shows himself constantly to those around him.

and hes been sacrificing eyes for sometime now, im sure of that. so i dont believe that he is destroying his ems, which is all still a big mystery. hell we dont even know where the rinnengan came from, he claims they were his... maybe madara is the sage of the sixth paths!? who the hell knows, right?

but regardless of what you think or what you speculate, ive tried to explain to you over and over that tobi told konan while she was dying that he is madara uchiha. that is proof if there ever was such a thing. it would dishonor him and her to lie in that situation. it would serve no purpose in the storyline other than to directly deceive us as readers. and if kishi wants to go that far to make me think that tobi is madara, than I will bite the line and be the fish that got caught. better than being some jackoff who swims around ignoring the bait and starving to death on his own happy illusions.

one of the biggest hints EVER in the series that tobi is madara, is when sasuke and itachi are talking about him and a screen shot is shown of tobi sitting on the head of the statue of madara. relaxing. enjoying sitting on his metaphorical epitaph.

there is so much evidence that it is overwhelming and for you to still argue with me and tell me I know nothing is so down right retarded that i wonder how you manage to button your pants in the mornings.
 

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I wanna see sasuke's new eyes!!! Enough with the flash backs already!!! Keep to the main story!!! Can't wait for naruto to show of his new powers and fight with sasuke then might be able to see what power itachi give him!!! So have a question for everyone 2? So naruto is part senju clan & uzumaki clan...right so with whatever itachi gave him, so he should have 3 of the six paths just like madara right?
Lmao you mite be on to somthing there.. naruto is the real reincarnation of sage of the six paths. We will see Naruto and madara fight over this tittle. Btw welcome to the Nb Forum.
 

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QUOTE=Pervy nin
Let me be more formal when recognizing you this time around...

Jabznaruto!

May you do an encore? Please don't take any sarcasm in that. As I stated earlier, yourself and Omnigan have been motivators and inspirators for me to jump into the Naruto forum fray. Thank you for that, you as well, Omnigan.

This may be brief but, i'll try to frost all of the cake and make it sweet.

When you are ready to speak about the second path of So6P I'll be there! Believe it!

You've done very well in articulating my thoughts into words that I was blind towards. My mind, like yours, speaks of Tobi being Madara! But throw heart into the pristine clear water where we can see the bottom, and the ripples on the surface keep you and I from seeing the bottom, thus we're left to conjure up our own images and ideas of what the truth is. A very fun task!

We've caught the man claiming to be Madara lying before...once a liar, always a liar...right? We'll see! The deception and suspicion of Tobi(Madara???) is a very potent mix, which results in a character that just clicks!

Yes, lets ask Kabuto. However, will be able to find him, before we grow too old!?

Thanks for the insight and time Jabznaruto. Final thoughts are above, even though more thoughts are below? I guess we can consider the top thoughts to be a present topped with a bow!

yo dude!

guess i have a pred of your 3 most impt or favourite characters:

1. jiraiya
2. bee and hachibi
3. naruto-sasuke

just a guess pervy nin. your comments on my posts were sweet. bear with my english, it isnt good as yours.
you can address me jabz from now on. jabznaia had been absent for quite a while now.

QUOTE=Pervy nin
That is a noggin scratching question, jabznaruto. I like it! I say Madara is the liar and here's why...

Tobi is a character all his own and has another side, Madara. Tobi has never been caught in a lie, he openly admitted to being Madara. When Madara speaks he is know to lie sometimes for example, his claim that the nine-tails attack on Konoha was a random event. This answer raises some issues for my thoughts to Tobi maybe being someone other than Madara...

By me saying Madara is the liar I am in turn saying Madara is the man behind Tobi's mask. Perhaps this is what you wanted?...

I'm curious for your reaction!

See you on the forums later Jabznaruto!

...been amiss the past two days doing chores. and the posts were like canons again. bombarding thoughts and opinions here and there.

that was why i said "im mum" on the issue tobi-madara. look at those beautiful exchanges. they are fun and personal.

i think i made myself clear on my stand re this issue.
i like your answer - thanks a lot.

it still stands...once a liar, always a liar.

btw, my 3 favourites (in order):

1. naruto-sasuke
2. madara (the mask and tobi)
3. sarutobi

yep...see you next chap's forum!
 
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