[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 524 Discussion and 525 Predictions

[a thousand years of death]

dance tobi dance
mwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

Greetings,
You, along with a couple of others, are very well worded and I wanted to hear you guy's opinion on something. You gave sufficient support on why Obito can't really be X'ed out of the "who is tobi" argument, but I have another character for you to think on. Shisui. It is stated in the manga that Tobi had controlled the Mizukage, the Akatsuki, and is even controlling Sasuke to a certain extent. What if he's not just a good coercer? What if he actually is Shisui and is in fact controlling everyone via his sharingan?

I have a couple of reasons for why I believe this. Kabuto stated to tobi that if he can get access to Danzo's body, he could possibly use the dna from shisui's eye to summon Shisui and Tobi replies "I wouldn't count on that." What does that mean? The only thing I can guess is that Shisui isn't dead. Also, what makes the Shisui theory better than the Obito theory is that Shisui was actually an evil character. Obito being evil probably wouldn't sit right with the readers.

I also realize that there are alot of faults with this theory. If shisui is still alive, how did Itachi get his MS? Also, if Shisui is Tobi, who fought Minato during the 9 tails attack, assuming Shisui was around Itachi's age. Alot to be discussed, wanted to see what you guys thought about it.

im kind of on the shisui = tobi band wagon too. it just seems more likely to me

and 95% of the people who say that "madara= tobi" have 0 evidence other than the phrase "he calls himself madara!!!"

well pein called himself a god and look at that he isnt.

and tbh we dont know how old shisui was other than he fought in the war and to a high level to leave lasting impressions on Ao

 

[Omningan]

First, you're a fool to believe that Shisui is Madara.
Second, there is a lot more evidence than Madara saying it.
Do some research before making stupid, close minded comments.
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[Pervy nin]

many good greetings to you, justincutrer

A Tobi being Shisui theory is a currently too hard to support. I will look into it more, since my knowledge on Shisui is limited and haven't done much research into Tobi being Shisui. Although, I do expect the results to be a lot less convincing then Tobi being Obito or Madara. Thank you for the opinion, i know it will only further my insight and understanding of the manga, which is a grrreat thing, so thanks again!

Hiya Omningan,

Silence the verbal violence and increase the forum peace (take in a light-hearted fashion please). If you want to through out such criticism I would rather you dish the name calling like: close minded, stupid, idiot to me as opposed to justincutrer and a thousand years of death. I am the one somewhat responsible for their responses, because of my earlier post.

Now, lets get these wheels turning, Omningan:

Read through most of your info and all of it was awesome! But you provided a lot of info pertaining to Tobi's power, Madara's history, a few interesting facts, and claims of Tobi being Madara by characters in the novel. These claims are just that, claims with no evidence. Suuure Kisame has seen the face behind Tobi's mask, ch. 507 pg. 13. But can we be sure Kisame knew what Madara looked like before seeing the mysterious face claiming to be such? Also, we can't be sure if the sensor nin got to see Tobi's face before Kisame awakens himself (next page). Itachi and Danzo are the best evidence for Tobi being Madara, but in the novel he (like all others) just claims that Tobi is indeed Madara, but both could have had the wool pulled over his eyes as well, or in Danzo's case his intel could have be wrong. Tobi showed his face, it appeared aged, but if Tobi is Obito getting crushed by rocks can mess up anyone's face, and since this is fiction the side effects of a crushed face can be the aged look we saw on Tobi's face. You can argue that Kishi stated that Tobi = Madara, but even though Kishi is the creator of the universe and is all knowing he could just be flowing along with the story, to make it seem more immersive and engaging, Kishi still keeps putting this shadowy veil in front of Tobi, but why? Surely there it isn't just to keep himself safe from itachi's powers in sasuke's eyes!

Something still smells fishy and it's coming from Tobi. I personally just can't believe he is Madara just from the claims alone. See my post earlier with lots of evidence as to why
Tobi could be Obito as well, which I am not claiming to be the solution to the problem, just a thought with evidence. If you disprove me, then i'll be even more lost as to who Tobi may be. One thing is certain, Zetsu is a key player to Tobi and I'm curious to see his story unfold. Please Keep the negative vibes low, they wreck my positive jive and will cost you my respect, which you've done a damn fine job to obtain.

Take care fellow nin!

 

[Omningan]

I couldn't possibly insult you pervy nin because unlike others here, you at least put some thought and care into your words and posts.

I admit that I can't prove that tobi is madara anymore than I can prove that I am human.....get it?
and its easy to doubt all that you know and always claim a sort of ignorance, but not recognizing evidence that stands 1 foot in front of you is as ridiculous as pretending to not hear music that is loudly playing in your ear.

tobi cannot be obito, because of age. so thats a big fat NO. regardless.
tobi fought minato and obito was a child/teenager at the time, the tobi that fought minato was at LEAST an adult if not an elder.

shisui cannot be tobi because as we know, he was killed by itachi and lost at least one of his eyes to danzo. I think tobi wouldve been a little bit more upset with danzo if danzo was using his own eyes against him, and then crushed them when he died.
he woulda been like "NO, MY EYE!! YOU BASTARD!!" LOL. so thats a no go for tobi = shisui.

tobi is way too powerful to be anyone other than who he claims to be.
the secret was there, true. at a time we had no idea who tobi was. when first introduced we had no clue that this unsuspecting clown was the man to have fought hashirama. now all that we know about tobi leads us to the obvious conclusion that he is no other than who he claims to be.
simply his knowledge and power point the finger to the only man who could possibly be tobi - madara.
I could go on to describe more, but I feel I already did with my previous posts, especially my madara breakdown.
his longevity, the depth of his evil, and his powers prove him to be none other than madara uchiha.

if in the end he is revealed to be someone else than I will eat my words. however that has not happened. there is no strong proof or reason to believe that he is anyone other than what he has claimed to be, and been shown to be.
what I will NOT do, is turn an ignorant shoulder to the obvious evidence that has perpetuated the manga thus far.
all of you can continue to deny all you know, forever, if that is your wish.
how do you know naruto is naruto? maybe hes NOT naruto, maybe he is hashirama.
how do you know kakashi is kakashi? he wears a mask, maybe he is madara.
i mean comon!! what more proof do you need than what was already given?

he wears a mask! big deal! he was proven who he is countless times over.

I'm telling you right now, right here, that NO ONE. I repeat, NO ONE, confesses to be someone other than who they truly are to a dying person. It just does not happen, not in real life and not in a make believe story. There is absolutely no purpose to it, and it is a disgrace and an insult to the person being killed to do so. No self respecting ninja of great power would ever do such a thing, ever.

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"i am uchiha madara..."

With no other evidence, save the 2 above, I would STILL believe that tobi is madara.
And since that is NOT the only evidence, and not even close to the only evidence, I am that much more convinced.

Is there more to madara? is there more to his mystery?
YES, without a doubt. but thats who he is, of that I have no doubt.

he told konan while killing her, a lot of secret information, and then screamed in her ear, who he is. that is all the proof I need.

i cant really believe that any of you would feel differently.
its almost shocking really... like you WANT to believe he isnt madara.
so that you can hold onto some sick need for the mystery of the character.
like you want desperately for him to be someone other than madara.
I just dont understand that.
maybe one of you can give me an HONEST explanation as to why you would deny this mountain of evidence that supports tobi = madara?
is it some sick obsession to disbelieve?
please tell me....

 

[Gatsndshanks]

To all those who think Obito is tobi, you're just kidding yourselves.

Okay. When the naruto series was introduced, kakashi was 26 and naruto was 12. The events of the kyuubi attack took place at naruto birth, so 12 years. 26-12 and so making kakashi 14 at the time. Now, Gaiden took place when Kakashi was 13, leaving a gap of a year or under between the two events.

All you obito=madara fanboys, tell me this. Can obito actually turn from a person who could barely use a 2-tomoe sharingan and all-round not so good ninja, into a master of time-space and the sharingan by taking control of the kyuubi, as well as masterminding the plot on top of fighting with Minato? I think not.

 

[The_Empire]

We love you Gats for that

 

[Pervy nin]

My man, Omnigan:

Well stated and appreciated. Even though you provided a convincing argument, I can't believe that Tobi is Madara, not yet. Before moving on to explain why I stubbornly refuse in believing whom Tobi claims to be, I want to readdress that my thoughts are just that, thoughts in regards to the topic. By no means am I arguing for one side, while arguing against the other. As a matter of fact I am split about Tobi being Madara, or someone else. I'm just skeptical of someone who is well, suspicious. I apologize to any individual whose blood I may have boiled (maybe you, omnigan?). Now lets move on to the method for my madness.

First of all, I am a skeptic, when suspicious situations are slithering about. Even though Tobi could very well be Madara given all the evidence, why does he insist on wearing that mask, which is the key to opening the box for all this talk!? For me, Madara hiding behind the mask doesn't make him his legend any greater or more significant (if Tobi is Madara). I just see no purpose for wearing the orange toilet bowl mask anymore, or the newer slightly cooler version.

Secondly, I am a sucker for trying to figure out a potential twist in a tail, since there is suspicion around Tobi(Madara???) I believe Kishi is preparing to twirl all of us and put everything we think we have figured out about Tobi(Madara???) on it's head. Since this is my belief, I am trying to unravel the slightly mysterious mystery of Tobi. Also, if there was and when there will be more information on Zetsu, I would/will have focused/be focusing on him A LOT!

Finally, I just plain enjoy the conversations about the Naruto universe that take place in this forum. I appreciate and value everyone's thoughts, because these thoughts will most likely lead me to rereading the manga, which will result in a greater comprehension for rich and wonderful series. A topic like this is what led me to think and consider, then research and I picked up some interesting information along the way (see a more recent post, unrelated to whom Tobi may be). This is a very exhausting topic and I've burned myself out on it. But if you're desiring to discuss other topics, please do raise questions or answers to a more recent post of mine.

You and Jabz were key players to me joining this forum, and I'm glad I did. Our first conversation was long, but enjoyable. Cheers to many more.

PS. Sorry if I didn't cover all the bases for your previous post.

 

[Boobiee220]

To Clarify This Up. THIS WHOLE WHO TOBI IS NEEDS TO STOP!
This Is Based On Common Sense, So Read What I'm Going To Type Carefully.
1.Tobi can only be Madara as he claims to be, or someone else in the Uchiha Clan that we NEVER heard of before.
2. Tobi can not be Obito due to age as Omnigan stated when Tobi fought Minato Obito had to have been dead at the time, because that's when Naruto was born, and Kakashi looked like he was atleast 17 along with Guy.
3. Tobi can not be Shisui because again when he fought Minato, Itachi was seen holding Sasuke as a baby. Shisui and Itachi were peers, bestfriends so their age would be similar at the time being. Tobi or Madara was clearly older at than Shisui was at that time he fought Minato.
Common Sense people, even though the theories had great thought into them, I even had my own theories. But now I'm just facing the facts.

 

[jabznaruto]

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My man, Omnigan:

Well stated and appreciated. Even though you provided a convincing argument, I can't believe that Tobi is Madara, not yet. Before moving on to explain why I stubbornly refuse in believing whom Tobi claims to be, I want to readdress that my thoughts are just that, thoughts in regards to the topic. By no means am I arguing for one side, while arguing against the other. As a matter of fact I am split about Tobi being Madara, or someone else. I'm just skeptical of someone who is well, suspicious. I apologize to any individual whose blood I may have boiled (maybe you, omnigan?). Now lets move on to the method for my madness.

First of all, I am a skeptic, when suspicious situations are slithering about. Even though Tobi could very well be Madara given all the evidence, why does he insist on wearing that mask, which is the key to opening the box for all this talk!? For me, Madara hiding behind the mask doesn't make him his legend any greater or more significant (if Tobi is Madara). I just see no purpose for wearing the orange toilet bowl mask anymore, or the newer slightly cooler version.

Secondly, I am a sucker for trying to figure out a potential twist in a tail, since there is suspicion around Tobi(Madara???) I believe Kishi is preparing to twirl all of us and put everything we think we have figured out about Tobi(Madara???) on it's head. Since this is my belief, I am trying to unravel the slightly mysterious mystery of Tobi. Also, if there was and when there will be more information on Zetsu, I would/will have focused/be focusing on him A LOT!

Finally, I just plain enjoy the conversations about the Naruto universe that take place in this forum. I appreciate and value everyone's thoughts, because these thoughts will most likely lead me to rereading the manga, which will result in a greater comprehension for rich and wonderful series. A topic like this is what led me to think and consider, then research and I picked up some interesting information along the way (see a more recent post, unrelated to whom Tobi may be). This is a very exhausting topic and I've burned myself out on it. But if you're desiring to discuss other topics, please do raise questions or answers to a more recent post of mine.

You and Jabz were key players to me joining this forum, and I'm glad I did. Our first conversation was long, but enjoyable. Cheers to many more.

PS. Sorry if I didn't cover all the bases for your previous post.

yo pervynin!

i am glad you join. been reading all your posts for a while. just can't mold ideas with yours yet. but since you mentioned me (hope its jabznaruto..), i believe i am compelled to join the fray...

may i?...

first, am beginning to be one of your fans as well. am a fan of omnigan's. he has been a good share for most of my kiddie posts. yo omni!!! howdy dude?!!

second, i felt a bit "hurried" to do this post re my stand of who madara really is now in this current Naruto period. i have been trying to look for a partner to discuss my "hate" path - as the second path of the sage(so6p). i think, i found him already.

now to the madara thing...we have a semblance in our views re tobi as madara, and tobi as another villain nin. my mind says tobi is madara, but my mind-heart tells me tobi is not madara...not yet - here i believe we agree to post our views as somewhat similar.

others craved for "tobi is madara" side because the facts leading to this theory had been numerous. omnigan's posts re this were excellent and accurate. it is right there in your doorstep - to paraphrase his predicament. if there will be majority votes, i really would vote this theory to be the more plausible one.

some, and they are growing, would surmise tobi to be someone else. and my mind-heart goes with them because they do tickle my imagination. the theories are very creative. the originality is still in the perspective of what Naruto is. and if anybody would say that by doing so is an offense would be detrimental to us and the future readers.

...there is the element of suspicion ---as you mentioned.

...mine is DECEPTION. one thing that i would throw at my friend omni to be a subjective evidence is that --- "MADARA IS A LIAR". my belief to "tobi is madara" hinges to succeeding proofs whether tobi will evolve to be the madara we knew who was powerful enough to stand against a "harashima and wife tandem" of power.

so madara telling me he is madara, or let me say -- tobi with that mask telling me now "i am madara"....c'mon dude, what do you think of me? am i a fan of kabuto? cut the crap...

...this is why i enjoy the mystery behind the character more than knowing who really madara was or who really madara is.

let us just ask kabuto...shall we?

way to go pervynin!

 

[Pervy nin]

Gats!

Well done. Omingan, and YOU have done your research. The devil is in the details and just those few numbers, and facts makes me less wary of whether Tobi really is Madara. Could dive into some thin thoughts about size and growth rate varying among individuals, along with Tobi's age and identity still being hidden behind that stupid mask during Naruto's birth. Additionally, I could consider Naruto and Sauske's vast growth over a short amount of time. But I'm putting this topic on the self for that sake of our sanity. Moreover, You can read above why I refuse to believe completely that Tobi is Madara, for now.

I will leave everyone with this. Would you feel so violated to be caught in a web of deception by Kishi? Or would you rather go through the motions of some special ninjutsu that a nin of past generations has to preserve his/her age, making the nin virtually immortal? We've seen the latter numerous times before with nin like: Tsunade, Oro, Kazuku, Sasori, and Hidan would have gone down that path. Kishi has developed a fantastic character in Tobi, but mostly because he claims to be Madara, who is obviously legendary. Lets say Tobi is definitely Madara, we can conclude that Madara is even more spectacular than his generation and future generations thought, but some silly ninjutsu that allows him to survive such a long time would be way too typical and expected for the manga. Now imagine, if you will, how legendary Tobi would be if he was a unique Uchiha all is own. An Uchiha who rose from nothingness, carried the greatest Uchiha's legacy (Madara) into the present day, while single-handedly breathing life into the memory of the Uchiha, and building an Uchiha legend to rival that of Madara's. Madara had his time as the enemy and he succeeded greatly at it, he could even be consider misunderstood (that's another story for another time lol). I want to see the history of a legend being built as I read the story, not just a legend living on and adding to his already great history. I want the legend to be new not old, refreshing not stale, I want this legend to belong to Tobi not Madara.

Farewell fellow nin! One day left and we'll be discussing the newest chapter, YES!

 

[jabznaruto]

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Gats!

Well done. Omingan, and YOU have done your research. The devil is in the details and just those few numbers, and facts makes me less wary of whether Tobi really is Madara. Could dive into some thin thoughts about size and growth rate varying among individuals, along with Tobi's age and identity still being hidden behind that stupid mask during Naruto's birth. Additionally, I could consider Naruto and Sauske's vast growth over a short amount of time. But I'm putting this topic on the self for that sake of our sanity. Moreover, You can read above why I refuse to believe completely that Tobi is Madara, for now.

I will leave everyone with this. Would you feel so violated to be caught in a web of deception by Kishi? Or would you rather go through the motions of some special ninjutsu that a nin of past generations has to preserve his/her age, making the nin virtually immortal? We've seen the latter numerous times before with nin like: Tsunade, Oro, Kazuku, Sasori, and Hidan would have gone down that path. Kishi has developed a fantastic character in Tobi, but mostly because he claims to be Madara, who is obviously legendary. Lets say Tobi is definitely Madara, we can conclude that Madara is even more spectacular than his generation and future generations thought, but some silly ninjutsu that allows him to survive such a long time would be way too typical and expected for the manga. Now imagine, if you will, how legendary Tobi would be if he was a unique Uchiha all is own. An Uchiha who rose from nothingness, carried the greatest Uchiha's legacy (Madara) into the present day, while single-handedly breathing life into the memory of the Uchiha, and building an Uchiha legend to rival that of Madara's. Madara had his time as the enemy and he succeeded greatly at it, he could even be consider misunderstood (that's another story for another time lol). I want to see the history of a legend being built as I read the story, not just a legend living on and adding to his already great history. I want the legend to be new not old, refreshing not stale, I want this legend to belong to Tobi not Madara.

Farewell fellow nin! One day left and we'll be discussing the newest chapter, YES!

yo pervy nin!

very insightful. but could you help me with this?...

who am i referring to as " a liar "? is it madara? or is it tobi?

am just curious of your answer. i know you just joined. but the way you deliver your posts is a bit familiar. i could be mistaken. i am a skeptic as well. i do delve in my imagination than what i see and read chapter after chapter.

thanks in advance pervynin! looking forward to do discussions with you next chapter!

 

[Pervy nin]

yo pervynin!

i am glad you join. been reading all your posts for a while. just can't mold ideas with yours yet. but since you mentioned me (hope its jabznaruto..), i believe i am compelled to join the fray...

may i?...

first, am beginning to be one of your fans as well. am a fan of omnigan's. he has been a good share for most of my kiddie posts. yo omni!!! howdy dude?!!

second, i felt a bit "hurried" to do this post re my stand of who madara really is now in this current Naruto period. i have been trying to look for a partner to discuss my "hate" path - as the second path of the sage(so6p). i think, i found him already.

now to the madara thing...we have a semblance in our views re tobi as madara, and tobi as another villain nin. my mind says tobi is madara, but my mind-heart tells me tobi is not madara...not yet - here i believe we agree to post our views as somewhat similar.

others craved for "tobi is madara" side because the facts leading to this theory had been numerous. omnigan's posts re this were excellent and accurate. it is right there in your doorstep - to paraphrase his predicament. if there will be majority votes, i really would vote this theory to be the more plausible one.

some, and they are growing, would surmise tobi to be someone else. and my mind-heart goes with them because they do tickle my imagination. the theories are very creative. the originality is still in the perspective of what Naruto is. and if anybody would say that by doing so is an offense would be detrimental to us and the future readers.

...there is the element of suspicion ---as you mentioned.

...mine is DECEPTION. one thing that i would throw at my friend omni to be a subjective evidence is that --- "MADARA IS A LIAR". my belief to "tobi is madara" hinges to succeeding proofs whether tobi will evolve to be the madara we knew who was powerful enough to stand against a "harashima and wife tandem" of power.

so madara telling me he is madara, or let me say -- tobi with that mask telling me now "i am madara"....c'mon dude, what do you think of me? am i a fan of kabuto? cut the crap...

...this is why i enjoy the mystery behind the character more than knowing who really madara was or who really madara is.

let us just ask kabuto...shall we?

way to go pervynin!

Let me be more formal when recognizing you this time around...

Jabznaruto!

May you do an encore? Please don't take any sarcasm in that. As I stated earlier, yourself and Omnigan have been motivators and inspirators for me to jump into the Naruto forum fray. Thank you for that, you as well, Omnigan.

This may be brief but, i'll try to frost all of the cake and make it sweet.

When you are ready to speak about the second path of So6P I'll be there! Believe it!

You've done very well in articulating my thoughts into words that I was blind towards. My mind, like yours, speaks of Tobi being Madara! But throw heart into the pristine clear water where we can see the bottom, and the ripples on the surface keep you and I from seeing the bottom, thus we're left to conjure up our own images and ideas of what the truth is. A very fun task!

We've caught the man claiming to be Madara lying before...once a liar, always a liar...right? We'll see! The deception and suspicion of Tobi(Madara???) is a very potent mix, which results in a character that just clicks!

Yes, lets ask Kabuto. However, will be able to find him, before we grow too old!?

Thanks for the insight and time Jabznaruto. Final thoughts are above, even though more thoughts are below? I guess we can consider the top thoughts to be a present topped with a bow!

 

[4bdN]

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[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

Lets hope that Kishi don't disappoint us, want to see some real fighting rather than flashbacks.

 

[gunnerfiz]

who else wants to see kakashi do some sword+raikiri moves? can't wait ot see that rampage and also see a bit of Gaara in action

 

[jammersnaruto]

I'm following all the post about the Tobi beeing Madara or not and i have one question.

Who attacked the leaf village 16 years ago? If it is Madara then Toby = Madara cause Minato told Naruto that the mastermind who attacked the Village, who read into every action Minato took, who's controlling Pain is the Akatsuki mastermind Masked ninja. Would Minato be lying to his son at that point?

 

[nrto60]

I'm following all the post about the Tobi beeing Madara or not and i have one question.

Who attacked the leaf village 16 years ago? If it is Madara then Toby = Madara cause Minato told Naruto that the mastermind who attacked the Village, who read into every action Minato took, who's controlling Pain is the Akatsuki mastermind Masked ninja. Would Minato be lying to his son at that point?

Good point... I thought that too... The only person, besides hashirama, to have controlled kyuubi, is Madara......... And i really appreciate the effort and deep thinking of omnigan…... Really impressed....... Personally, i have an appeal for all naruto fans, plz drop the subject.... plz stop discussing tobi's identity... we all will soon come to know everything through manga….. if you want to believe whoever tobi is, then you obviously won’t accept any other nominees….. the fact is, the series is so much intertwined that you don't know whats gonna happen, maybe thats why i like naruto so much.... and everyone, have patience.......

 

[Haris7]

I couldn't possibly insult you pervy nin because unlike others here, you at least put some thought and care into your words and posts.

I admit that I can't prove that tobi is madara anymore than I can prove that I am human.....get it?
and its easy to doubt all that you know and always claim a sort of ignorance, but not recognizing evidence that stands 1 foot in front of you is as ridiculous as pretending to not hear music that is loudly playing in your ear.

tobi cannot be obito, because of age. so thats a big fat NO. regardless.
tobi fought minato and obito was a child/teenager at the time, the tobi that fought minato was at LEAST an adult if not an elder.

shisui cannot be tobi because as we know, he was killed by itachi and lost at least one of his eyes to danzo. I think tobi wouldve been a little bit more upset with danzo if danzo was using his own eyes against him, and then crushed them when he died.
he woulda been like "NO, MY EYE!! YOU BASTARD!!" LOL. so thats a no go for tobi = shisui.

tobi is way too powerful to be anyone other than who he claims to be.
the secret was there, true. at a time we had no idea who tobi was. when first introduced we had no clue that this unsuspecting clown was the man to have fought hashirama. now all that we know about tobi leads us to the obvious conclusion that he is no other than who he claims to be.
simply his knowledge and power point the finger to the only man who could possibly be tobi - madara.
I could go on to describe more, but I feel I already did with my previous posts, especially my madara breakdown.
his longevity, the depth of his evil, and his powers prove him to be none other than madara uchiha.

if in the end he is revealed to be someone else than I will eat my words. however that has not happened. there is no strong proof or reason to believe that he is anyone other than what he has claimed to be, and been shown to be.
what I will NOT do, is turn an ignorant shoulder to the obvious evidence that has perpetuated the manga thus far.
all of you can continue to deny all you know, forever, if that is your wish.
how do you know naruto is naruto? maybe hes NOT naruto, maybe he is hashirama.
how do you know kakashi is kakashi? he wears a mask, maybe he is madara.
i mean comon!! what more proof do you need than what was already given?

he wears a mask! big deal! he was proven who he is countless times over.

I'm telling you right now, right here, that NO ONE. I repeat, NO ONE, confesses to be someone other than who they truly are to a dying person. It just does not happen, not in real life and not in a make believe story. There is absolutely no purpose to it, and it is a disgrace and an insult to the person being killed to do so. No self respecting ninja of great power would ever do such a thing, ever.

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(once again, kishi himself calls tobi madara)

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"i am uchiha madara..."

With no other evidence, save the 2 above, I would STILL believe that tobi is madara.
And since that is NOT the only evidence, and not even close to the only evidence, I am that much more convinced.

Is there more to madara? is there more to his mystery?
YES, without a doubt. but thats who he is, of that I have no doubt.

he told konan while killing her, a lot of secret information, and then screamed in her ear, who he is. that is all the proof I need.

i cant really believe that any of you would feel differently.
its almost shocking really... like you WANT to believe he isnt madara.
so that you can hold onto some sick need for the mystery of the character.
like you want desperately for him to be someone other than madara.
I just dont understand that.
maybe one of you can give me an HONEST explanation as to why you would deny this mountain of evidence that supports tobi = madara?
is it some sick obsession to disbelieve?
please tell me....

this whole wearing a mask is just because:
1. the uchiha clan abandoned him so he wanted no one to find him ... just itachi made it somehow
2. he claimed to be toby (some new guy in akatsuki)
3. he tried to take his mask of but because of sasukes amaterasu he couldnt

thats all to his mask easy right?

the main problem is some will still try to discusd about madara being some toby, you cant change that and there was just one thing even i tought it was possible but never less it had not enought feet.

the people who where even trying to say tobi=obito are just trolling to see you writing large posts and getting angry about that. just dont listen to that maybe if everyone avoids their posts it will stop.

 

[nrto60]

this whole wearing a mask is just because:
1. the uchiha clan abandoned him so he wanted no one to find him ... just itachi made it somehow
2. he claimed to be toby (some new guy in akatsuki)
3. he tried to take his mask of but because of sasukes amaterasu he couldnt

thats all to his mask easy right?

the main problem is some will still try to discusd about madara being some toby, you cant change that and there was just one thing even i tought it was possible but never less it had not enought feet.

the people who where even trying to say tobi=obito are just trolling to see you writing large posts and getting angry about that. just dont listen to that maybe if everyone avoids their posts it will stop.

Thats why i said that no need to get all worked up on speculations, just believe whats in manga and wait for the surprise....... :no_ignore:

 

[El Joker Es Loco 13]

yeah this weeks manga is going to be a goodn one. it would be cool if they gave us two mangas for haveing to wait to long on christmas... right or wrong