justincutrer
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wow lolI couldn't possibly insult you pervy nin because unlike others here, you at least put some thought and care into your words and posts.
I admit that I can't prove that tobi is madara anymore than I can prove that I am human.....get it?
and its easy to doubt all that you know and always claim a sort of ignorance, but not recognizing evidence that stands 1 foot in front of you is as ridiculous as pretending to not hear music that is loudly playing in your ear.
tobi cannot be obito, because of age. so thats a big fat NO. regardless.
tobi fought minato and obito was a child/teenager at the time, the tobi that fought minato was at LEAST an adult if not an elder.
shisui cannot be tobi because as we know, he was killed by itachi and lost at least one of his eyes to danzo. I think tobi wouldve been a little bit more upset with danzo if danzo was using his own eyes against him, and then crushed them when he died.
he woulda been like "NO, MY EYE!! YOU BASTARD!!" LOL. so thats a no go for tobi = shisui.
tobi is way too powerful to be anyone other than who he claims to be.
the secret was there, true. at a time we had no idea who tobi was. when first introduced we had no clue that this unsuspecting clown was the man to have fought hashirama. now all that we know about tobi leads us to the obvious conclusion that he is no other than who he claims to be.
simply his knowledge and power point the finger to the only man who could possibly be tobi - madara.
I could go on to describe more, but I feel I already did with my previous posts, especially my madara breakdown.
his longevity, the depth of his evil, and his powers prove him to be none other than madara uchiha.
if in the end he is revealed to be someone else than I will eat my words. however that has not happened. there is no strong proof or reason to believe that he is anyone other than what he has claimed to be, and been shown to be.
what I will NOT do, is turn an ignorant shoulder to the obvious evidence that has perpetuated the manga thus far.
all of you can continue to deny all you know, forever, if that is your wish.
how do you know naruto is naruto? maybe hes NOT naruto, maybe he is hashirama.
how do you know kakashi is kakashi? he wears a mask, maybe he is madara.
i mean comon!! what more proof do you need than what was already given?
he wears a mask! big deal! he was proven who he is countless times over.
I'm telling you right now, right here, that NO ONE. I repeat, NO ONE, confesses to be someone other than who they truly are to a dying person. It just does not happen, not in real life and not in a make believe story. There is absolutely no purpose to it, and it is a disgrace and an insult to the person being killed to do so. No self respecting ninja of great power would ever do such a thing, ever.
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(once again, kishi himself calls tobi madara)
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"i am uchiha madara..."
With no other evidence, save the 2 above, I would STILL believe that tobi is madara.
And since that is NOT the only evidence, and not even close to the only evidence, I am that much more convinced.
Is there more to madara? is there more to his mystery?
YES, without a doubt. but thats who he is, of that I have no doubt.
he told konan while killing her, a lot of secret information, and then screamed in her ear, who he is. that is all the proof I need.
i cant really believe that any of you would feel differently.
its almost shocking really... like you WANT to believe he isnt madara.
so that you can hold onto some sick need for the mystery of the character.
like you want desperately for him to be someone other than madara.
I just dont understand that.
maybe one of you can give me an HONEST explanation as to why you would deny this mountain of evidence that supports tobi = madara?
is it some sick obsession to disbelieve?
please tell me....
Ok bro. As aggressively as you portrayed your point, you do have a valid point. There is a mountain of evidence that supports Tobi being Madara. I know that, I've always known that. The reason for me bringing up the question was FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION. Let me repeat, FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION. I directed that question towards pervy nin and others like him so we could DISCUSS the possibility of alternate identities. Madara might very well be Tobi. The mountain of evidence shows this, but just because there is a mountain of evidence doesn't make something set in stone nor does it make the people addressing the situation from a skeptical viewpoint "stupid" or "sickly obsessing" (cough ;]). For example, there was a mountain of proof suggesting Itachi murdered his entire clan for power and only spared his brother to further his own power. EVERYONE in the naruto universe at the time believed it and, hell, Itachi even stated he commited those horrendous for those said reasons. And who would've guessed it, under that MOUNTAIN of evidence, Kishi still managed to dramatically alter the obvious aka 'plot twist'.
All i'm tryin to say is that nothing is set in stone, especially in Naruto manga. You yourself even stated that there is always a chance that Madara could end up being someone else. If you acknowledge that yourself, why be so aggressively (and rudely) adamant about Tobi being Madara?
But I will DROP the Tobi/Madara argument. Apparently that can't be discussed without rubbing people the wrong way (cough:Omningan:cough) lol (jk bro).
Something else I wanted to ask everyone. Gaara's demon was stripped out of him correct? Is he still as powerful now as he was before the demon was extracted? If so, how?