[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 524 Discussion and 525 Predictions

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I couldn't possibly insult you pervy nin because unlike others here, you at least put some thought and care into your words and posts.

I admit that I can't prove that tobi is madara anymore than I can prove that I am human.....get it?
and its easy to doubt all that you know and always claim a sort of ignorance, but not recognizing evidence that stands 1 foot in front of you is as ridiculous as pretending to not hear music that is loudly playing in your ear.

tobi cannot be obito, because of age. so thats a big fat NO. regardless.
tobi fought minato and obito was a child/teenager at the time, the tobi that fought minato was at LEAST an adult if not an elder.

shisui cannot be tobi because as we know, he was killed by itachi and lost at least one of his eyes to danzo. I think tobi wouldve been a little bit more upset with danzo if danzo was using his own eyes against him, and then crushed them when he died.
he woulda been like "NO, MY EYE!! YOU BASTARD!!" LOL. so thats a no go for tobi = shisui.

tobi is way too powerful to be anyone other than who he claims to be.
the secret was there, true. at a time we had no idea who tobi was. when first introduced we had no clue that this unsuspecting clown was the man to have fought hashirama. now all that we know about tobi leads us to the obvious conclusion that he is no other than who he claims to be.
simply his knowledge and power point the finger to the only man who could possibly be tobi - madara.
I could go on to describe more, but I feel I already did with my previous posts, especially my madara breakdown.
his longevity, the depth of his evil, and his powers prove him to be none other than madara uchiha.

if in the end he is revealed to be someone else than I will eat my words. however that has not happened. there is no strong proof or reason to believe that he is anyone other than what he has claimed to be, and been shown to be.
what I will NOT do, is turn an ignorant shoulder to the obvious evidence that has perpetuated the manga thus far.
all of you can continue to deny all you know, forever, if that is your wish.
how do you know naruto is naruto? maybe hes NOT naruto, maybe he is hashirama.
how do you know kakashi is kakashi? he wears a mask, maybe he is madara.
i mean comon!! what more proof do you need than what was already given?

he wears a mask! big deal! he was proven who he is countless times over.

I'm telling you right now, right here, that NO ONE. I repeat, NO ONE, confesses to be someone other than who they truly are to a dying person. It just does not happen, not in real life and not in a make believe story. There is absolutely no purpose to it, and it is a disgrace and an insult to the person being killed to do so. No self respecting ninja of great power would ever do such a thing, ever.

(once again, kishi himself calls tobi madara)

"i am uchiha madara..."

With no other evidence, save the 2 above, I would STILL believe that tobi is madara.
And since that is NOT the only evidence, and not even close to the only evidence, I am that much more convinced.

Is there more to madara? is there more to his mystery?
YES, without a doubt. but thats who he is, of that I have no doubt.

he told konan while killing her, a lot of secret information, and then screamed in her ear, who he is. that is all the proof I need.

i cant really believe that any of you would feel differently.
its almost shocking really... like you WANT to believe he isnt madara.
so that you can hold onto some sick need for the mystery of the character.
like you want desperately for him to be someone other than madara.
I just dont understand that.
maybe one of you can give me an HONEST explanation as to why you would deny this mountain of evidence that supports tobi = madara?
is it some sick obsession to disbelieve?
please tell me....
wow lol

Ok bro. As aggressively as you portrayed your point, you do have a valid point. There is a mountain of evidence that supports Tobi being Madara. I know that, I've always known that. The reason for me bringing up the question was FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION. Let me repeat, FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION. I directed that question towards pervy nin and others like him so we could DISCUSS the possibility of alternate identities. Madara might very well be Tobi. The mountain of evidence shows this, but just because there is a mountain of evidence doesn't make something set in stone nor does it make the people addressing the situation from a skeptical viewpoint "stupid" or "sickly obsessing" (cough ;]). For example, there was a mountain of proof suggesting Itachi murdered his entire clan for power and only spared his brother to further his own power. EVERYONE in the naruto universe at the time believed it and, hell, Itachi even stated he commited those horrendous for those said reasons. And who would've guessed it, under that MOUNTAIN of evidence, Kishi still managed to dramatically alter the obvious aka 'plot twist'.

All i'm tryin to say is that nothing is set in stone, especially in Naruto manga. You yourself even stated that there is always a chance that Madara could end up being someone else. If you acknowledge that yourself, why be so aggressively (and rudely) adamant about Tobi being Madara?

But I will DROP the Tobi/Madara argument. Apparently that can't be discussed without rubbing people the wrong way (cough:Omningan:cough) lol (jk bro).

Something else I wanted to ask everyone. Gaara's demon was stripped out of him correct? Is he still as powerful now as he was before the demon was extracted? If so, how?
 

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Tobi could totes be Obito's body and just Madara's personality if you know what I mean. An Orochimaru-type Jutsu. He has the matching sharingan to Kakashi and the short Hairstyle. I'm just saying its possible, even likely. And then Obito might somehow overcome Madara and reject him out of the body. ? :emperor::nohug: :flaw:
 

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yo pervy nin!

very insightful. but could you help me with this?...

who am i referring to as " a liar "? is it madara? or is it tobi?

am just curious of your answer. i know you just joined. but the way you deliver your posts is a bit familiar. i could be mistaken. i am a skeptic as well. i do delve in my imagination than what i see and read chapter after chapter.

thanks in advance pervynin! looking forward to do discussions with you next chapter!
That is a noggin scratching question, jabznaruto. I like it! I say Madara is the liar and here's why...

Tobi is a character all his own and has another side, Madara. Tobi has never been caught in a lie, he openly admitted to being Madara. When Madara speaks he is know to lie sometimes for example, his claim that the nine-tails attack on Konoha was a random event. This answer raises some issues for my thoughts to Tobi maybe being someone other than Madara...

By me saying Madara is the liar I am in turn saying Madara is the man behind Tobi's mask. Perhaps this is what you wanted?...

I'm curious for your reaction!

See you on the forums later Jabznaruto!
 

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and.. im really pissed about all this omg madara is ...so and so.... yeah...GET PROOF THAT "ALL" FITS. im ok with him ending up as obito but we need tons of more explainations in GREAT DETAIL.....agreed???
 

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just so everyone knows, i am not as bothered by the subject, as by the lack of admittance regarding the obvious facts. I will hypothesize about the naruto turn of events and hidden meanings as much as, if not more than, the next guy. but what starts to get to me is when some of you continue to bicker over things that are ridiculously unlikely and highly improbable. or something that has already been explained and reexplained by the writer over and over! kishi himself has led us to understand that tobi is madara. no amount of bickering or speculating is going to change him into someone else. like was stated before by boobie220, the only person other than madara who could be tobi, is someone we DONT YET KNOW and HAVE NOT MET. he can not possibly be someone who we have already been introduced to, it is just NOT possible....well other than his brother Izuna I guess...and if you want to guess that it is him, then I probably wouldnt argue with you, because it's not entirely insane to think its him.

if you really want to speculate in the narutoverse as it stands, then speculate on ACTUAL mysteries(something without a "mountain of evidence"). for example: how will madara finally meet his doom and who will be the one to do it? will sasuke die or will he finally be freed of his dark passenger and live happily ever after? will naruto really become the hokage as he as dreamed about since chapter 1 or will he die as a tragic hero, saving the world from calamity?
or if you choose to be more specific or detail oriented...
who is zetsu and what is his relationship to madara? what have we learned about him that we could use to identify the hidden information?
how will using edo tensei so aggressively come back to bite kabuto in the snake butt?
i personally love the discussion about who is in the elusive "sixth" edo coffin that kabuto used to shock madara and ply his way into the akatsuki? I have changed my mind multiple times about that. kishi is such an excellent writer that he has left the door open for our minds to wander and wonder about the possibilities.

however, when it comes down to the identity of the man in the mask identified as tobi...
i really don't see any point in discussing it... is there a chance its someone other than madara? of course! there is almost always a chance of just about anything, thats part of the fun of a make believe world that exists only in the mind of one man who slowly shares his vision of that world with us.
yet this mystery has been solved already, imo. when tobi first hit the scene we didnt even know that madara was supposedly still alive. so of course tobi's identity was a total mystery, the mask was appropriate and even his actions and voice disguised him from the people closest to him. (like kisame for example, he had met madara in the past, but even he didnt realize that tobi was madara). We didnt learn about madara until much later in the story, and then only later after that were tobi and madara associated as being the same individual.
so like i've explained countless times, this mystery is over.
if youre wondering to yourself "well, why does he still wear a mask if the mystery of his identity is over?" i will tell you.
he wears a mask for much the same reason as any villian wears a mask whose identity is not in need of protection. (which madara's identity does not need protection anymore. he has blatantly admitted who he is to some of the most powerful characters in the narutoverse and others have figured it out on their own because of his abilities.)
he wears a mask to protect his face, and hide its deformity....
if you look closely and carefully at his fight with konan, after she destroys part of his mask and he uses izangi, you will notice that his concelead left eye and the surrounding tissue is damaged ( most likely through overuse/continual use of izangi, a forbidden jutsu)
you could even speculate that he wears his mask for much the same reason as kakashi, to protect his sharingan/izanagi eye.
you'll note that when he had only sharingans, he wore a mask with one hole only.
now that he has a sharingan and the rinnengan, he is wearing a mask with two holes.
let me reiterate how pointless a mask is for madara.
even if he went mask-less, WHO would recognize him? its not like his features are so discerning that he could be identified easily by ever little nugget who manages to look at him without being killed....everyone who would have known him without a mask should be DEAD. why would he even care if they did identify him? at this point, hiding his identity is a moot point.

anyways, ive contradicted myself in this post and have rambled on long enough. let me end with this: my mind is open to possibilities, but not stupid ones...ya dig?
 

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wow lol

Ok bro. As aggressively as you portrayed your point, you do have a valid point. There is a mountain of evidence that supports Tobi being Madara. I know that, I've always known that. The reason for me bringing up the question was FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION. Let me repeat, FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION. I directed that question towards pervy nin and others like him so we could DISCUSS the possibility of alternate identities. Madara might very well be Tobi. The mountain of evidence shows this, but just because there is a mountain of evidence doesn't make something set in stone nor does it make the people addressing the situation from a skeptical viewpoint "stupid" or "sickly obsessing" (cough ;]). For example, there was a mountain of proof suggesting Itachi murdered his entire clan for power and only spared his brother to further his own power. EVERYONE in the naruto universe at the time believed it and, hell, Itachi even stated he commited those horrendous for those said reasons. And who would've guessed it, under that MOUNTAIN of evidence, Kishi still managed to dramatically alter the obvious aka 'plot twist'.

All i'm tryin to say is that nothing is set in stone, especially in Naruto manga. You yourself even stated that there is always a chance that Madara could end up being someone else. If you acknowledge that yourself, why be so aggressively (and rudely) adamant about Tobi being Madara?

But I will DROP the Tobi/Madara argument. Apparently that can't be discussed without rubbing people the wrong way (cough:Omningan:cough) lol (jk bro).

Something else I wanted to ask everyone. Gaara's demon was stripped out of him correct? Is he still as powerful now as he was before the demon was extracted? If so, how?
Tobi could totes be Obito's body and just Madara's personality if you know what I mean. An Orochimaru-type Jutsu. He has the matching sharingan to Kakashi and the short Hairstyle. I'm just saying its possible, even likely. And then Obito might somehow overcome Madara and reject him out of the body. ? :emperor::nohug: :flaw:
lol speak for yourself, do you relly belive what youre writing im not long enough on this forum to judge on naruto base members but everyone in my hometown knew itachi did it for another reason, because it makes no sense someone would do something like that after being such a nice brother and even getting on his knees to apologise because sasuke saw him fliping out in front of some uchiha members.

in madaras situation there is nothing like that, i dont even think it could be his brother because madara took his eyes back then and everyone knew it. no one would benefit in such a world by claiming to be madara especially someone as strong as tobi.

you cant even compare this 2 situations cause here it is about someons identity and not what he is going to do/done.

gara is not as strong as before cause of less shakra thats the main thing i think.

lol EroKage at least someone with a funny post :D
 

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i havent been here in a while and i dont know whats with the tobi and obto thing again but remember that kakashi saw obito when he died then he saw minato rin then talked to his father obito is dead and i know this is off topic but when madara told sasuke the truth behind itachi that he was leing then or that he left something out in order to trick sasuke just a theory and can i have the link to the spoiler
 

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Whew!

This forum has been dominated by one topic lately. This is partially my fault and I apologize!!!

One obvious concrete conclusion we can conclude (redundant lol) is that the narutoverse is rich with great characters. Madara is great because of his his-story, if Tobi isn't Madara he'll be great for all he has accomplished and planned. This leads me to a question for any nin in the narutobase...

Who are your top three favorite characters!? You can explain why or not explain at all, and/or have the characters be in a certain order or just throw three out, which ever you'd like.

Curious to hear what all of you have to say!...and maybe why? I'll wait to give my reply, because I don't know if this will generate much buzzz...

Hopefully it does, because I'm ready to jump onto a fresh simple topic to kill time before tomorrows release (knock on wood)!
 
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so far the confirmed spoilers dont look so good. so good in the sense that VERY strong shinobi have been summoned. translation is still raw but looks like a person born to parents with seperate bloodlines is one of the enemies. that is, an offspring from a 2 different bloodlines. that's gonna be bada**. where's naruto when you need him?
 

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Whew!

This forum has been dominated by one topic lately. This is partially my fault and I apologize!!!

One obvious concrete conclusion we can conclude (redundant lol) is that the narutoverse is rich with great characters. Madara is great because of his his-story, if Tobi isn't Madara he'll be great for all he has accomplished and planned. This leads me to a question for any nin in the narutobase...

Who are your top three favorite characters!? You can explain why or not explain at all, and/or have the characters be in a certain order or just throw three out, which ever you'd like.

Curious to hear what all of you have to say!...and maybe why? I'll wait to give my reply, because I don't know if this will generate much buzzz...

Hopefully it does, because I'm ready to jump onto a fresh simple topic to kill time before tomorrows release (knock on wood)!
I can't really have a top 3! So I'll maybe just limit it to top 5 =]
1.Minato/Itachi
2.Sasuke
3.Madara
4.Naruto
5.Kakashi
 

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Whew!

This forum has been dominated by one topic lately. This is partially my fault and I apologize!!!

One obvious concrete conclusion we can conclude (redundant lol) is that the narutoverse is rich with great characters. Madara is great because of his his-story, if Tobi isn't Madara he'll be great for all he has accomplished and planned. This leads me to a question for any nin in the narutobase...

Who are your top three favorite characters!? You can explain why or not explain at all, and/or have the characters be in a certain order or just throw three out, which ever you'd like.

Curious to hear what all of you have to say!...and maybe why? I'll wait to give my reply, because I don't know if this will generate much buzzz...

Hopefully it does, because I'm ready to jump onto a fresh simple topic to kill time before tomorrows release (knock on wood)!
1.Itachi
2.naruto
3.Sasuke

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An my lil bra here said he wana share his 3 he doesn't have an account but his three are

1.Naruto
2.Kakashi
3.8 tails
 

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Only one thing keeps me from agreeing with omnigan on Madara being Madara and that's when Kabuto says, "you go by Madara these days, right?" I have a new theory that allows for the person who fought the first Hokage, the forth, and finally Konan to be the same person. It also accounts for Kabuto's snide remark. Madara existed earlier than we think. If he's been able to project himself so far into the future then who can say he wasn't around before that. Basically he is an entity that has existed for ages and only chose to appear in the time of Hashirama to gain access to his powers. This entity has another name and Kabuto and Orochimaru know this and they were trying to stop it. Madara is what this entity uses as its vessel. We are not dealing with someone who came along after the fact and is calling himself Madara. Its worse. Someone so evil that Madara is just the front he shows to the world
 

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Only one thing keeps me from agreeing with omnigan on Madara being Madara and that's when Kabuto says, "you go by Madara these days, right?" I have a new theory that allows for the person who fought the first Hokage, the forth, and finally Konan to be the same person. It also accounts for Kabuto's snide remark. Madara existed earlier than we think. If he's been able to project himself so far into the future then who can say he wasn't around before that. Basically he is an entity that has existed for ages and only chose to appear in the time of Hashirama to gain access to his powers. This entity has another name and Kabuto and Orochimaru know this and they were trying to stop it. Madara is what this entity uses as its vessel. We are not dealing with someone who came along after the fact and is calling himself Madara. Its worse. Someone so evil that Madara is just the front he shows to the world
Maybe we can relate what you're saying, to how it is in Final Fantasy, I don't know much about it so any Final Fantasy fans correct me if I'm wrong. But I remember in the movie the Advent Children, the bad guy transformed into Sephiroth, maybe something kinda along those lines, we can say the same for Tobi becoming Madara. Who knows, it would just be an interesting thing to see. However it does sound kinda far-fetched, maybe someone here can bring out my idea better than how I just addressed it, lol sorry.
 

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I wanna see sasuke's new eyes!!! Enough with the flash backs already!!! Keep to the main story!!! Can't wait for naruto to show of his new powers and fight with sasuke then might be able to see what power itachi give him!!! So have a question for everyone 2? So naruto is part senju clan & uzumaki clan...right so with whatever itachi gave him, so he should have 3 of the six paths just like madara right?
 

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Sometimes I compare what Orochimaru was doing to Magus from Chrono Trigger. A bad guy who is trying to stop a greater evil in Lavos. As for Madara I think it has something to do with the organ harvesting theme we've seen throughout the series. Individuals are reduced to their body parts with the Uchihas' eyes able to carry one's spirit energy beyond the original life force of the host.
 
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