[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 515 Discussion/ 516 Predictions

[Yukimaru Yoshi]

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It says nothing about DNA. From what I can tell, all you need is a sacrifice, some dirt and ash, and then, the technique puts the soul in. (Also, the chakra necessary.) That's what I gathered from the article.

That being said, that's likely why the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Hokages are not amongst the bodies Kabutomaru has revived. Their souls are sealed away in the Death God, so they can not be attained.

Why Jiraiya isn't there, I have no clue. Perhaps Kishimoto forgot him when pulling up all these people, or maybe he decided to have him be a surprise? I really don't know. However, Hidan is still alive, though it has been stated by Kishimoto that he is dying of starvation.



Do they really know Kisame is dead? I didn't think they did. After all, they received the scroll from him and gave no indication that they were aware of his death. I felt that they, by the scroll's arrival, had no reason to believe he had died. If I am wrong, please feel free to point out how we know that they know.


I thought the same thing about the Jinchuuriki. I'm sure, though, that they will still be powerful enough in their own right.

DNA being a requirement for edo tensei was just my opinion..as for the 1st and 2nd and 3rd hokage I think they could be resurrected due to the fact oro was going to summon the fourth during his fight with the 3rd hokage and the fourth is sealed within the death God.

I really believe madara, zetsu, and kabuto knew that kisame is didn't survive his mission...y would kisame deliver a scroll instead of just showing up to madara in person? im sure madara etc asked the same question..with that said in mind kabuto wouldn't have kisame for edo tensei at least for the moment because kisame died after he join madara...

If the requirements for edo tensei is just a soul and body then kabuto could pretty much summon the so6p and his two sons witch would pretty much be overkill. Im not saying ur wrong about the requirements for edo tensei tho.

 

[Floydical]

i had to check.
you are wrong.

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the 4th's coffin is being resurrected and sarutobi stops it, just like in the anime.



which means that you are also wrong.
i actually thought the same thing that you think - that being sealed away would prevent the summoning - but it doesnt, apparently.
bummer huh?

im not sure what the limit of souls being called in for edo tensei is.
im not sure if anyone can resist the lure that is cast.
i would hope someone like jiraiya would be protected by such things, but if itachi and chiyo can be brought back, i dont see why anyone can't be summoned.
which might indicate that kabuto would be able to summon someone like the oringinal sage of the six paths.

this is interesting...
the 1st and 2nd hokage are BROTHERS.

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also notice that before orochimaru has put the kunai seals in them, they are themselves and recognize sarutobi. they look dead too, like they could decay any moment. but they still talk to him and everything!

still prior to the seal being placed within them, they know that they've been summoned by orochimaru, and are surprised he could do it.

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sarutobi hints that edo tensei is a space time technique.
"nothing good will come of playing with time..."

orochimaru says as hes putting the seals into them, "i really must have the both of you return to your TRUE FORMS"

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meaning that only with the seal being placed does he give them the full power of edo tensei and their old selves. just having a sacrifice body and summoning the spirit, isnt enough. you must then place the seals within them to fully bring them back strong.

on the next page after the seals are placed within them we see them rejuvenate and seem to fill with energy and regain their original powers.

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then one of the anbu explains that the "fuda" placed within them removes their personalities making them killing machines.

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he mentions that to bind the soul of the dead back into this world, that a corpse is needed as a sacrifice. that means that kabuto has killed and collected 30+ bodies for these summons. he is a mass murderer, "FOR SURE!"

recently we saw kabuto summon deidara

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the same rejuvenating of deidara, but kabuto explains that this "fuda" talisman is different in that it leaves some of deidaras mind and personality within the resurrected body. so the soul retains self-awareness and may only be shut down by the fuda chosen for them.

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here sarutobi explains that even if orochimaru were to die, the summons would remain. that is a scary thought. after the talisman is placed, that soul is back in action, and will play out the role it was given with the talisman i would assume.
like putting a code into a computer. it just processes it, and runs it.
what code/fuda/talisman/seal will kabuto use for these poor souls?
will they all be killing machines? or will they be more like deidara was and have some of their personalities remain?

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later sarutobi admits that he must do something about the SOULS that are trapped, that being the only way to defeat them.
it seems as if the only thing he knows that will free them, is the dead demon seal. which is a bummer... because he was hailed as knowing every jutsu in konoha. and if thats the only one? BUMMER!
edo tensei is a severe threat, and i worry that many divisions of the joint shinobi forces will not be equipped to deal with this threat.

as much as we do know... it seems that so much of edo tensei is still a mystery. as is kabuto's motives and the true extent of his power and knowledge. he seems to be the real villain now, like was said earlier. not madara.

the table is set, but the first move has yet to have been made.
i predict the joint shinobi will strike first. ambush team, go!

thanks for reading my post.
i enjoy reading all of yours that dont suck horribly. xd

good info, clears up a number of misconceptions that I had

 

[solidsnake]

great ass chapter, new forehead protector, the army is shown, kabuto still hasnt shown the mysterious guy he summoned and scared madarra, kimimaro is back , and kakashi should been higher ranked in the army

 

[Floydical]

I just had a thought. Earlier, Madara stated that nagato's rinnegan was his to begin with. We have also seen in 515 that he has access to Human realm's abilities. As some of us have implied, this might mean he has access to all the 6th path's abilities. This is where my theory comes in.

Perhaps these '6 paths' were actually the abilities that Madara and Izuna gained access to upon awakening their Mangekyo sharingans. Much like Itachi's Mangekyo abilities of Tsukiumi, Amterasu and Susanoo, perhaps Madara awakened 3 of the 6 and Izuna awakened the other 3 of the six. Then when Madara took his brother's eyes and gained his EMS he attained all 6 in his repertoire.

Seems like a possibility. We also have yet to see Madara use his Mangekyo which likely means his space time jutsus have nothing to do with it.

 

[UzumakiAkarui]

Hello everybody! It's been a while since I was on...I still remember my old account name; RasenShruiken.
Geez. My spelling sucked then, didn't it?
Anyways, back to the topic at hand.
The thing I really want to know is who was in the coffin that Kabutomaru used to impress Madara?
Then I had this total WTF moment where I thought it might have been the Rikudo Sennin.
It's possible though, isn't it? Since we know so little about the Edo Tensei, we can't really say what's possible and what isn't. And it would definitely explain Madara's reaction of "You...You monster..."

 

[PositiveEmotions]

asume gonna fight shikamaru
sakura vs chiyo and sasori
handzo vs 5th hokage and others
akatsuki vs kakashi (maybe?)
sasuke vs naruto
madara vs naruto + sasuke (possible)

 

[Delva]

WOW! that was awesome...
garaa as commander general...
niiiiceee

 

[UzumakiAkarui]

They might not have a choice but to let Naruto fight because he's the only one we know for sure is capable of beating Nagato/Pein and a majority of the Akatsuki members.

 

[Eldan]

Warning: Bib may be required during the reading of this Chapter.

Thanks for the warning LOL

 

[stigie78]

there is something that I dont undertand...First of all: if most of the ninjas that kabuto revived were dead and as powerful in their time, how come kakashi's father, konan and yahiko are not among them? I ask so given the fact that kabuto has nagato's DNA, so why not Yahiko and Konan who died at the same time as nagato?. someone tell me please.

 

[kiotsukatanna]

DNA being a requirement for edo tensei was just my opinion..as for the 1st and 2nd and 3rd hokage I think they could be resurrected due to the fact oro was going to summon the fourth during his fight with the 3rd hokage and the fourth is sealed within the death God.

I've been reading the posts and can see that now. However, their souls being sealed was really the only reason I could think of as to why Kabuto wouldn't summon them, if he hasn't, which he could have considering that he may have summoned additional people that were not shown, though I think those would have been summons Kishimoto would have certainly wanted to show.

On another hand though, I find it possible that Kishimoto may have made a slip on Edo Tensei. As someone mentioned before, he may not have thought when first bringing the technique up that he would elaborate further on it in the far distant future. He spends so much time and works so hard putting out a chapter for most every week that I doubt he has little time to look in great detail at things he did God-only-knows how many chapters ago. This may be a slip like how, in Part One, Kishimoto had stated by Kakashi that Sharingan had developed from Byakugan, though evidence in Shippuden indicates that Sharingan was around at the beginning of it all with the Rikudo sage's eldest son.

I really believe madara, zetsu, and kabuto knew that kisame is didn't survive his mission...y would kisame deliver a scroll instead of just showing up to madara in person? im sure madara etc asked the same question..with that said in mind kabuto wouldn't have kisame for edo tensei at least for the moment because kisame died after he join madara...

To me, and this may just be me, but I figured Kisame was going to send his info through scroll anyway. I figured that he would stick around as long as he could, constantly giving updates of Naruto's progress and such. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Kisame was only meant to give information on location, but that's how I felt. I also see the possibility of Kisame, being in the position he was, being forced to send it through scroll anyway. Kisame's a big boy who can take care of himself; I don't think Madara and company would be too worried about him choosing to send his information through scroll rather than in person. That's my reasoning, at least.

If the requirements for edo tensei is just a soul and body then kabuto could pretty much summon the so6p and his two sons witch would pretty much be overkill. Im not saying ur wrong about the requirements for edo tensei tho.

I'm sure there are conditions and limits to the Edo Tensei. Perhaps someone as powerful as the Rikudo Sage is more difficult to summon. Of course, that logic brings back the question of how Kabuto managed to summon so many powerful people then. Another thought is that perhaps Kabuto didn't want to reveal a trump card like that just yet. Perhaps Kabuto already has summoned the Rikudo Sage, as many people speculated that he was the one in the coffin that terrified Madara so. I'm sure there's some kind of explanation, but I really don't think DNA is a requirement.

Just another note about Edo Tensei: I think it must be a very high-class and powerful technique for it to be a Forbidden one and for only the 1st Hokage, 2nd Hokage, Orochimaru, and now Kabutomaru to be the only ones to be able to use it. In that sense, if it's as high-class and difficult a technique as I think it is, then I don't think it being able to summon most anyone's soul with a sacrifice and enough chakra is overkill. I think it makes perfect sense.

 

[Eldan]

Haha no doubt one of the best chapters EVER written! But I think now the question is, who will die? I think it's safe to say that characters like Sakura, Shikamaru (because he has been slated to become the mentor for Asuma's kid), and Sai will remain. Sai mainly because he isn't really a beloved character, then again isn't particularly hated either, so it wouldn't be as heart wrenching if he died, nor as satisfactory. But I get the feeling that possibly Choji, Akamaru, and Shikamaru's dad might bite the dust. Nothing against any of them at all: but Choji just seems to strike me as the type who would be a casualty, doesn't seem at all to have that touch of violence in his soul to survive a war like this. Akamaru...well hell. What's worse than seperating man from his best friend? And Shikaku (spelled right?) because now is the time to pass the torch on to the next generation, and technically, he IS a player for the Leaf. It would be a crippling blow...

what do you think?

Well in my opinion, it's a war and there are going to be alot of casualties so... hard to say

 

[kiotsukatanna]

there is something that I dont undertand...First of all: if most of the ninjas that kabuto revived were dead and as powerful in their time, how come kakashi's father is not among them?. someone tell me please.

I really don't know. It is still possible that we were only given a glimpse of some of the people Kabuto summoned. It's entirely possible we have not seen all of the shinobi he has revived, so perhaps Kakashi's father, Jiraiya, whoever, is amongst those we may or may not have seen. I suppose we'll just have to see. Though, it is also entirely possibly that Sakumo Hatake was not among those that Kabuto chose to revive. Why? I don't know, but like I said, we'll see.

 

[UzumakiAkarui]

Well in my opinion, it's a war and there are going to be alot of casualties so... hard to say

There's no doubt that many people are going to die, but since this is a story and not real life, I say the majority of the Konoha 11 survive.U_U

 

[stigie78]

There's no doubt that many people are going to die, but since this is a story and not real life, I say the majority of the Konoha 11 survive.U_U

I am almost 100% sure that this time kakashi is a go-go. remember? He didnd die when nagato invaded konoha and his father said that he had something important to do before dying or something like that.

 

[KalenaraUchiha]

That chapter was awsome! I hope neji and shikamaru don't have to fight hizashi and asuma though because that would be sad.

 

[UzumakiAkarui]

For my help and -hopefully- others here, this is a chart of the weaknesses and strengths of the Alliance and the Akatsuki.
The Shinobi Alliance
Strengths
Some of the more powerful and promising shinobi in the world (The Five Kage, Kakashi, maybe Yamato, Ao, maybe Kirabi and Naruto)
Pure determination and a will to protect what's theirs
Tactical geniuses like Shikamaru and Shikaku
A few battle geniuses like Neji, Kakashi, Gai, and Gaara
Weaknesses
The Akatsuki have a pyschological advantage over several members of the alliance (Hizashi for Neji, Asuma for Shikamaru, Dan for Tsunade, etc.)
Severely outnumbered
Most of the forces are chuunin-level fighters (the majority of shinobi in a village are chuunin-level)
Akatsuki
Strengths
Some of the strongest shinobi who ever existed (Several of the former Kage, Hanzo, the former jinchuuriki, all of the Akatsuki except for Orochimaru, Konan, and Kisame.)
Decades of expirience and knowledge, especially in Kinjutsu (Madara is easily over 90 years old. Orochimaru enjoyed experimenting with Kinjutsu.)
Crazy medical techniques (Kabuto)
The strongest known time-space jutsu (Madara)
Two Eternal Mangekyou Sharingans (Madara & Sasuke)
Pyschological advantage over several members of the Alliance
The Ichibi-Nanabi sealed in the Gedo Maizo
Weaknesses
...This is actually hard.
Madara, Sasuke, and Kabuto are all known to be arrogant and underestimate their opponents.
Potentially don't know the lay of the land as well as the Alliance members
Less of a drive to win (The Alliance has no choice BUT to win, or their way of life is destroyed, Madara is less driven then that because he's old and knows there will always be another chance)

 

[Jonesy161]

Well he did try to summon a third coffin as he did in the anime and since his first 2 summonings were the first 2 hokages, I always assumed that the third coffin contained the 4th.

Yes, it was tricky to assume, but the anime tends to be wrong a majority of the time. They want more veiws so they add stuff that is completely off such as showing a third coffin when it wasn't supposed to even been shown or brought up. But yea, if you take a look back at Kabuto where he summoned those Kages, you won't see any of the Hokages. that is because they are all in the Shinigami's stomach and cannot by any means be brought back.

For my help and -hopefully- others here, this is a chart of the weaknesses and strengths of the Alliance and the Akatsuki.
The Shinobi Alliance
Strengths
Some of the more powerful and promising shinobi in the world (The Five Kage, Kakashi, maybe Yamato, Ao, maybe Kirabi and Naruto)
Pure determination and a will to protect what's theirs
Tactical geniuses like Shikamaru and Shikaku
A few battle geniuses like Neji, Kakashi, Gai, and Gaara
Weaknesses
The Akatsuki have a pyschological advantage over several members of the alliance (Hizashi for Neji, Asuma for Shikamaru, Dan for Tsunade, etc.)
Severely outnumbered
Most of the forces are chuunin-level fighters (the majority of shinobi in a village are chuunin-level)
Akatsuki
Strengths
Some of the strongest shinobi who ever existed (Several of the former Kage, Hanzo, the former jinchuuriki, all of the Akatsuki except for Orochimaru, Konan, and Kisame.)
Decades of expirience and knowledge, especially in Kinjutsu (Madara is easily over 90 years old. Orochimaru enjoyed experimenting with Kinjutsu.)
Crazy medical techniques (Kabuto)
The strongest known time-space jutsu (Madara)
Two Eternal Mangekyou Sharingans (Madara & Sasuke)
Pyschological advantage over several members of the Alliance
The Ichibi-Nanabi sealed in the Gedo Maizo
Weaknesses
...This is actually hard.
Madara, Sasuke, and Kabuto are all known to be arrogant and underestimate their opponents.
Potentially don't know the lay of the land as well as the Alliance members
Less of a drive to win (The Alliance has no choice BUT to win, or their way of life is destroyed, Madara is less driven then that because he's old and knows there will always be another chance).

Good points there, but your fogetting alot more for each side. Each village has attributes, strengths and weaknesses, but if you think of it, just because most of the Akatsuki members are back doesn't mean the Aliance is in grave danger. You go from members who died to even Sakura back before Naruto learned Sage techniques to characters such as Naruto who have controlled the power of the Kyubi. I'm sure most Konoha ninjas advanced in strength greatly while these Akatsuki members were dead. The only members I find who might be troublesome is Asuma, Itachi, the Kages, Madara, Sasuke, Kabuto and Dan.

There's also the summonings. The Aliance has like what, 70k soldiers/ninjas ready for war? I'm sure atleast 1/10th can summon beasts, and the toads such as Gamabunta were able to even take on the 1-tailed beast for a short time. With hundreds to thousands of summonings and all the ninjas with capabilities to perform seals upon the tailed-beasts will give the Aliance a huge helping hand. Not to mention Bee and Naruto possess the two most powerful tailed beasts and the fact that Garra still possess the powers of his tailed beast even though it's gone. Infact, Gaara might be the Commanding General due to this fact. His ultimate defence is what might be a key defence to the tailed beasts.

If anything, if I were any one of those members on the Aliance, I wouldn't be fearing Madara or Sasuke, I'd be terrified of Gedo Mazo. It can kill you with that ghost dragon thing if it touches you. That thing going through a crowd of ninjas will take them all out.

Also, Madara does have a reason. He doesn't want to lose this war. He wants to take over as fast as possible, so I think Madara's weakness will be him rushing.

 

[naruto unleashed]

i'm just thinking.. naruto will come with rudoku mode and 1000 shadow clones and rasenshurakens phew!!!..... BANG!! and then he will use all the kyuubi chakra and then sage mode..!!!!! giant rasengans..!!! summonings!!! juz kidding.!

Ok here's the real deal!
1. I think kabuto is a double agent.
2. Sasuke said to kakashi that if he bring back itachi he'll stop. Now kabuto brought back itachi. Sasuke might stop!. And naruto and sasuke will fight madara.
3. As i see edo summonings has (Itachi=Sharingan, Nagato=Rinnengan, Hazashi Hyuuga=Byakugan) something's not right!
4. Some of the summonings has plans.
Hokage-her boy friend, Kazekage-the one who saved his life, Raikage- maybe that one's his master. And more 2 kages and 2 kages.
5.** I thought before nagato hit hanzou in the movie he used teleport justsu. I thought he escaped? what happend??
6. naruto's not dumb he can scenes good or bad while he is in rudoku mode.
Nah, Who knows that kishimoto he's the Manga GOD!!

quote!!!

 

[ninetailedhokagesage]

5/5 cant wait till the battles start