[Predictions] Naruto Manga 505 Discussion and 506 Predictions

[vlive6]

Please read carefully. I said "If it's not blood line limit, then surely all the jounin would be capable of doing it to some degree." My "to some degree" is similar to your "talent and skill" concept I think.

So far we know 5 people that can do Rasengan not 4. You missed Konohamaru. Now Rasengan is an A-rank jutsu, it's a shape manipulation techniques, but the reason not a lot of people can do it is mainly because it's not taught widely. It's very hard to master, because before Naruto, you have to have excellent chakra control to master it. Naruto use a clone to do Rasengan, that way you don't need excellent chakra control, hence Naruto and Konohamaru are able to do it.

Sage mode is even more picky than Rasengan, you need a teacher with you all the time at first and then you have to learn it in mount frog (at least if you want to learn it fast). Even then if you are too successful, you turn into a stone frog. The fact is sage mode is not blood line limit, everyone could learn it, you don't need certain blood line to do it. The frog stones in mount frog are the prove.

Just because some jutsu only mastered by few people doesn't make it a blood line limit jutsu. Blood line limit jutsu is a jutsu that can only be performed by someone with specific blood line. Now the manga told us that the 2nd, 4th and Tobi all has space/time jutsu. If the space/time jutsu is not blood line limit, please think the points below:
1. Logically the 4th learnt it from Jiraiya.
2. Surely Kakashi the copy ninja would be able to do it.
3. It won't hurt Konoha to have a lot of shinobis with space/time jutsu.
4. Surely all the Konoha's badasses should be able to do it, the sannins, the 3rd, Danzo, Itachi, etc.
5. With enough people (say 5 at the same time) mastered the space/time jutsu then Konoha would be unbeatable. Look what a trouble Tobi is. Look what Minato capable of, sending the 9 tails attack elsewhere.

You could have all the creativity in the world, you may have all the talents in the world, you might have never gave up attitude all you like, but if it's a blood line limit jutsu and you don't have the blood line part, then you WON'T MASTERED that jutsu.

there are many good points to be made as far as FTG technique being a Bloodline limit,
One of mine would be that the 3rd was suppose to know all the techniques in Konoha, yet no one ever mentioned the fact that he knew FTG, I think it was left up to everyone to kinda figure out for themself the techniques that the 3rd probably didnt know. Those being the ones that require a specific bloodlinelimit.
Also it would seem that Oro would have definatley tried to master that one instead of fooling with animal experiments and such

 

[JiraiyaSensei]

yeah, I think Kakashi's and Tobi's techniques are definately forms of teleportation. What Naruto did was probably "just" ultra fast movement (He got stuck in the wall). If it is somehow similar to FTG, we'll just have to wait to find out... plus as of yet I don't think we know the true nature of FTG

 

[dexter64]

This is exactly what im saying, I was being sarcastic in my post. I thought YOU were the one saying that the 4th's FTG could be a blood line limit...

When I was talking about creativity, talent and skill, I was reffering to upgrading jutsu or making your own like Kakashi. And no rasengan wouldnt be taught somewhere else because its a hidden leaf jutsu and everyone knows how it is when a ninja goes rogue...

Yes, I said FTG was a part of space/time jutsu which I suspected is a blood line limit. However I also said if it's not I don't mind so I won't argue mindlessly about it. I think so far the logic (at least my logic) is heading to space/time jutsu is a blood line limit jutsu.

I didn't mean teaching Rasengan in other villages, what I mean was in Konoha it's not widely taught. If I remember correctly, Naruto said he wanted all the shinobis of Konoha to learn Rasengan when he become hokage. Again Naruto's way of doing Rasengan make it not that hard to learn it.

 

[dexter64]

there are many good points to be made as far as FTG technique being a Bloodline limit,
One of mine would be that the 3rd was suppose to know all the techniques in Konoha, yet no one ever mentioned the fact that he knew FTG, I think it was left up to everyone to kinda figure out for themself the techniques that the 3rd probably didnt know. Those being the ones that require a specific bloodlinelimit.
Also it would seem that Oro would have definatley tried to master that one instead of fooling with animal experiments and such

Exactly, it's my 4th point. I think that the 3rd know about the FTG, but knowing is not the same as doing. So my take is the 3rd and Oro definitely know about FTG but unable to do it.

By the way I replied to one of your post in page 12 about space/time jutsu and speed.

 

[Zurita210]

I'll explain a more into detail.

When it comes to the rasengan, it takes talent, creativity (naruto), skill and Naruto's motto of never giving up (naruto). Naruto not being as bright as his father had to use his motto on never giving up to learn it. Next, the rasengan isnt widely known because the jutsu stays in Country or in the hidden leaf. The jutsu isnt widely known either because maybe some shinobi just dont have the talent and skill to do it. Its like learning a sport, just because someone is an athlete doesnt mean he's really good at sports. Same with shinobi, just because your a ninja doesnt mean your going to learn all the jutsu that your capable of learning, unless your the 3rd but he only learned the jutsu in the hidden Leaf.

Now sage mode. First of all if you dont balance out Nature chakra with your own, then you turn into a stone frog. You dont turn into a frog if your too succesful. Second, not everyone can learn Sage mode and here I come again. Its obvious not everyone can learn Sage mode from proof that there are stone frogs from previous ninja. Its OBVIOUS those ninja didnt have the skill or talent to learn it. Third, you need huge amounts of chakra storage to learn it, even Pa frog told Naruto himself. Thats why Jman and Naruto were able to learn it because they have huge chakra reserves, not everyone has big chakra storages. Kakashi once said that Naruto has like 5x more chakra than him, then he said if he counts the Kyubbi then Naruto has like 30x more chakra.

Now to Space time jutsu and FTG. AGAIN, it takes skill and talent and time to learn difficult jutsu. This is an example of why the points you made above are PROBABLY not right. Naruto improved the rasengan to Futton Rasenshiruken, WHY you ask yourself??? Because Naruto had the creativity and skill to do it, something the 4th Hokage didnt. Kakashi mentions that, says something like "something the 4th couldnt do becasue maybe his element chakra couldnt be mixed with it, maybe the 4th didnt have time or maybe he wasnt skilled in that area to make it happen". Kakashi states that he couldnt mix his lighting with the resengan because maybe it just cant be done or maybe he doesnt have the skill to do it. So not everyone can learn space time jutsu or FTG, more than likely is because maybe you huge amounts of chakra to do which not all shinobi have, maybe the shinobi you mention no matter how good they are probably werent skill enough to learn it or maybe they never gave it a try. A reason why maybe the 3rd never learned it was probably because the 4th never gave it away or never wrote it on the forbidden jutsu scrolls. And no its not a bloodline jutsu either, its never been talked about and why would different shinobi know it like the 2nd, the 4th and Madara. They arent from the same clan so they dont carry the same blood. Couldnt you just say that the 4th created his own form of FTG (space time jutsu) just like Naruto created his own Rasenshiruken, just like Kakashi created Chidori. Kakashi probably cant do it either for the same reason why he couldnt improve the rasengan, he's not skilled enough to figure out how do it. Jman probably didnt know how to do it either, like I said the 4th created the jutsu on his own.

And yes I know if you dont have the bloodline then its obvious you cant learn a bloodline jutsu like the Sharingan, Haku's little ice trap he made, and others... When I refered to creativity, skill and talent, I refered to using that to create a jutsu or improve a jutsu.

 

[mjtuvok]

and 4 the record thats not the so6p mode its more than that. cause the real so6p wasn't a tailed beast he was just the 1st sage of all sages if that makes any sense

Hey shonuf, that is an awesome online name...you are obviously a fan of the movie...one of my all time old movie favorites...waited for years for my boy to do something else but he never did. Keep in touch...

 

[vlive6]

Exactly, it's my 4th point. I think that the 3rd know about the FTG, but knowing is not the same as doing. So my take is the 3rd and Oro definitely know about FTG but unable to do it.

By the way I replied to one of your post in page 12 about space/time jutsu and speed.

yeah i saw that , i didnt bother to comment on that because everyones been pointing out that Shino said that teleportation is just high speed so now in this manga thats what teleportation is.
Is it possible Shino just doesnt understand completely just like it took the leaf village forever to figure the nature of pains abilities
Everyone knows what teleportation is or suppose to be why now all of a sudden its just super speed,, which it could be i dont know
super speed doesnt mean entirley that its not space time manipulation maybe thats how the fourth attained the jutsu (thru super speed)
the bloodline limit idea there is no way to disprove that
Madara and the second are from way back when....
maybe back then the bloodline of the so6p was more prevelant than now
if im not mistaken then so6p create the shinobi world or so
if so then that would mean the further you go back its more likely could have possibly had more than 1 bloodline limit and also maybe the shinobi clans were not so spread out
my point is what im saying is
what was once 1 clan may now be 2, 3, or even four different clans altogether
look what just happened with Naruto's mom , i know not the same thing but just an example to let you see that what is now may not have been the case back then

Also why would the 3rd get the tech. from the 4th when the 2nd knew it , and i dont remember someone plz tell me again why wouldnt the 3rd not want to learn that technique
maybe because he couldnt there are still many things we do not know so how can anyone

speak of things that we dont know just speculation as a matter of fact
were all just speculating

 

[Hayashida]

I knew it !!!!

Gai sensei will kick the shit out of Kisame !!!!! or at least beat him up a bit and then maybe naruto will finish him off



oh ya...naruto havin his oldman chakra so he will be flyin through the teleportation and stuff xD and i hope that Kishimoto will work on Naruto looks when he uses ninetails chakra

 

[Amantius]

Sasuke all i gotta say is you are SO FK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no matter what power up you get son, your ass is going to get a beat down o.0 your facing a god with almost if not infi Chakra o.0 and who to tell if he can't read minds to see what ever skill your going to use o.0 Tobi ha!! your ass is finish even with Rennigon your vsing a second version of Sage of 6th path o.o a god!

 

[southpaw]

FTG could be a blood line limit but its not. You say if it wasnt, wouldnt other jounin be able to do it. How about talent and skill, just becaue your a shinobi doesnt mean you are capable of doing all kinds of techniques. Its like the rasengan, only 4 that we have seen can do it. Jman, the 4th, Kakashi and Naruto. So just because they are the only 4 that can do it, does that mean that the Rasengan is a blood line limit????? Its obvious that its not... Naruto was able to improve the rasengan, somthing that the 4th couldnt do, maybe because in that department Naruto had more creativity to make it happen and in that department Naruto was more talented and skilled... Also goes with Naruto's motto of never giving up. How about Sage mode, Naruto was more talented and skillfull to be able to master Sage mode at a higher level than Jman. So sage mode must be a blood line lmit too since not all the other jounin are doing it, right???? WRONG

dont forget konohamaru

 

[dexter64]

I'll explain a more into detail.

When it comes to the rasengan, it takes talent, creativity (naruto), skill and Naruto's motto of never giving up (naruto). Naruto not being as bright as his father had to use his motto on never giving up to learn it. Next, the rasengan isnt widely known because the jutsu stays in Country or in the hidden leaf. The jutsu isnt widely known either because maybe some shinobi just dont have the talent and skill to do it. Its like learning a sport, just because someone is an athlete doesnt mean he's really good at sports. Same with shinobi, just because your a ninja doesnt mean your going to learn all the jutsu that your capable of learning, unless your the 3rd but he only learned the jutsu in the hidden Leaf.

Now sage mode. First of all if you dont balance out Nature chakra with your own, then you turn into a stone frog. You dont turn into a frog if your too succesful. Second, not everyone can learn Sage mode and here I come again. Its obvious not everyone can learn Sage mode from proof that there are stone frogs from previous ninja. Its OBVIOUS those ninja didnt have the skill or talent to learn it. Third, you need huge amounts of chakra storage to learn it, even Pa frog told Naruto himself. Thats why Jman and Naruto were able to learn it because they have huge chakra reserves, not everyone has big chakra storages. Kakashi once said that Naruto has like 5x more chakra than him, then he said if he counts the Kyubbi then Naruto has like 30x more chakra.

Now to Space time jutsu and FTG. AGAIN, it takes skill and talent and time to learn difficult jutsu. This is an example of why the points you made above are PROBABLY not right. Naruto improved the rasengan to Futton Rasenshiruken, WHY you ask yourself??? Because Naruto had the creativity and skill to do it, something the 4th Hokage didnt. Kakashi mentions that, says something like "something the 4th couldnt do becasue maybe his element chakra couldnt be mixed with it, maybe the 4th didnt have time or maybe he wasnt skilled in that area to make it happen". Kakashi states that he couldnt mix his lighting with the resengan because maybe it just cant be done or maybe he doesnt have the skill to do it. So not everyone can learn space time jutsu or FTG, more than likely is because maybe you huge amounts of chakra to do which not all shinobi have, maybe the shinobi you mention no matter how good they are probably werent skill enough to learn it or maybe they never gave it a try. A reason why maybe the 3rd never learned it was probably because the 4th never gave it away or never wrote it on the forbidden jutsu scrolls. And no its not a bloodline jutsu either, its never been talked about and why would different shinobi know it like the 2nd, the 4th and Madara. They arent from the same clan so they dont carry the same blood. Couldnt you just say that the 4th created his own form of FTG (space time jutsu) just like Naruto created his own Rasenshiruken, just like Kakashi created Chidori. Kakashi probably cant do it either for the same reason why he couldnt improve the rasengan, he's not skilled enough to figure out how do it. Jman probably didnt know how to do it either, like I said the 4th created the jutsu on his own.

And yes I know if you dont have the bloodline then its obvious you cant learn a bloodline jutsu like the Sharingan, Haku's little ice trap he made, and others... When I refered to creativity, skill and talent, I refered to using that to create a jutsu or improve a jutsu.

Like I said I won't argue mindlessly about it. You are set to think space/time jutsu is not a blood line limit so be it. We just have to wait for Kishi takes on this.

I think you confuse learning with mastering, just because you learn something, it doesn't mean you would master it to high level. The fact that all those stone frogs are there means that they all qualified to learn it, but they failed to master it. They succeeded in gathering too much natural energy and failed balancing hence they turned to stone.

Just because the manga has not revealed something is not a prove. Where in the manga said Naruto is the 4th's son before they met when Naruto battled Pain? Yet, even before that chapter, we heard that Naruto is the 4th's son.

If I follow your logic then I found out these:
1. The 3rd being called professor isn't capable of mastering rasengan, yet his grandson could.
2. Just because they don't have time (your take) to learn make space/time jutsu a common A rank jutsu, which is strange considering that Jiraiya and Kakashi have the time to learn Rasengan and sealing techniques.
3. You said that the 4th invented the space/time jutsu, yet the 2nd obviously mastered it before Minato.
4. Just because the 4th didn't have the time to put it into the forbidden scroll (your take) doesn't mean a thing. What prevented the 2nd to put it?
5. Since the 3rd (and maybe Danzo) was a student of the 2nd then why they don't learn it?
6. If it is a common A rank jutsu then surely it would be on top of Oro list to master.

Like I said I will follow my logic and you are free to follow yours.

 

[dexter64]

yeah i saw that , i didnt bother to comment on that because everyones been pointing out that Shino said that teleportation is just high speed so now in this manga thats what teleportation is.
Is it possible Shino just doesnt understand completely just like it took the leaf village forever to figure the nature of pains abilities
Everyone knows what teleportation is or suppose to be why now all of a sudden its just super speed,, which it could be i dont know
super speed doesnt mean entirley that its not space time manipulation maybe thats how the fourth attained the jutsu (thru super speed)
the bloodline limit idea there is no way to disprove that
Madara and the second are from way back when....
maybe back then the bloodline of the so6p was more prevelant than now
if im not mistaken then so6p create the shinobi world or so
if so then that would mean the further you go back its more likely could have possibly had more than 1 bloodline limit and also maybe the shinobi clans were not so spread out
my point is what im saying is
what was once 1 clan may now be 2, 3, or even four different clans altogether
look what just happened with Naruto's mom , i know not the same thing but just an example to let you see that what is now may not have been the case back then

Also why would the 3rd get the tech. from the 4th when the 2nd knew it , and i dont remember someone plz tell me again why wouldnt the 3rd not want to learn that technique
maybe because he couldnt there are still many things we do not know so how can anyone

speak of things that we dont know just speculation as a matter of fact
were all just speculating

I agree with your thinking, I think it's no coincidence that Kishi mentioned about the 2nd's space/time jutsu. For me it's a hint on Minato's lineage, it's possible that Minato was the grandson or great grandson of the 2nd. Even if that's not the case, it doesn't matter. There are 3 known ocular jutsu, all blood line limit with their own uniqueness. If there are 3 different space/time jutsu so what?

However we just have to wait for the manga then.

What I mean with my posting was not about teleportation though. It's more about the battle of Madara and Minato. It's about why the speed mattered on that battle. It's not a battle of space/time jutsu, it's a battle of speed.

 

[minatoisagod]

Let's say we don't rule out the possibility that Naruto used the Flying Thunder God technique (which of course, he didn't). What counters is Sasuke going to have to Naruto's extraordinary new powers? It's just like the battle between Minato and Madara. Madara's space-time technique, battle experience, weapons (Nine-Tails) were all superior (not to mention eye techniques), but Minato took him down in two blows. I think many will agree that the battle was disappointing to say the least. Not to go back to the matter of Minato vs. Madara, not knowing whether Kishimoto was rushed to move on to better things, or he simply decided to have the Uchiha, who are regarded as the best of Konoha, lose once (and fairly easily at that), but it seems as if we'll see a repeat of Naruto and Sasuke's battle just like the one that took place sixteen years ago.

Naruto's strength will overwhelm Sasuke, and he will end up the same way Madara did after Hashirama defeated him. Whatever power boosts Sasuke will gain at this point, it really will be no match for the things Naruto has gotten; taking the Rasengan to an entirely newer level than previously, gaining full control of the Nine-Tails' enormous chakra, improving Sage Mode, and not to mention incredible speed. The Flying Thunder God technique will be the last nail in the coffin for Sasuke. Not even Hashirama (similar to Naruto) had such speed when fighting Madara (similar to Sasuke). I am ruling out the possibility simply because it will make Naruto too powerful for the likes of anyone to handle. What weak spot will he have? What amazing technique will Sasuke develop to expose the weak spots in Naruto's powers?

Sasuke won't have the Nine-Tails on his side, so it will be the loss of a weapon which Madara had on his side when fighting Hashirama, and still lost. Madara had the Nine-Tailed Fox again when attacking Konoha, and both won and lost at the same time (he did not destroy Konoha, was defeated by Minato in their one-on-one battle, but did force Minato to sacrifice himself to deal with the Nine-Tails, and killed off a good portion of the village's ninja, using the same weapon Minato died to seal into his son).

Having said all this, what will Sasuke do when facing Naruto? I understand they will be equals by the time they meet, but what good will Sasuke's Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan be if it can't keep up with Naruto's speed (as noted during the Raikage's fight with Sasuke)? Hopefully the circumstances behind Sasuke's new eyes will balance out the power scale between these fated rivals. But until then, I'm going to have to say it wasn't the Flying Thunder God technique Naruto used in chapter 505 simply for the reasons I stated in my post above. Coupled with the fact that Naruto might become much too powerful for anyone in the ninja world. Which I'm sure at least some agree.

man i agree with almost everything you just said but you forgot Itachi's power too. But its sasuke how he is written he gonna say some shit like "my hatred is stronger than your love to naruto" and pull some out of the blues tech to gain the upper hand

 

[Regulus]

Like I said I won't argue mindlessly about it. You are set to think space/time jutsu is not a blood line limit so be it. We just have to wait for Kishi takes on this.

I think you confuse learning with mastering, just because you learn something, it doesn't mean you would master it to high level. The fact that all those stone frogs are there means that they all qualified to learn it, but they failed to master it. They succeeded in gathering too much natural energy and failed balancing hence they turned to stone.

Just because the manga has not revealed something is not a prove. Where in the manga said Naruto is the 4th's son before they met when Naruto battled Pain? Yet, even before that chapter, we heard that Naruto is the 4th's son.

If I follow your logic then I found out these:
1. The 3rd being called professor isn't capable of mastering rasengan, yet his grandson could.
2. Just because they don't have time (your take) to learn make space/time jutsu a common A rank jutsu, which is strange considering that Jiraiya and Kakashi have the time to learn Rasengan and sealing techniques.
3. You said that the 4th invented the space/time jutsu, yet the 2nd obviously mastered it before Minato.
4. Just because the 4th didn't have the time to put it into the forbidden scroll (your take) doesn't mean a thing. What prevented the 2nd to put it?
5. Since the 3rd (and maybe Danzo) was a student of the 2nd then why they don't learn it?
6. If it is a common A rank jutsu then surely it would be on top of Oro list to master.

Like I said I will follow my logic and you are free to follow yours.

Minato mastered it before Tobirama, Minato increased it to level 2, if im not mistaken in the manga Minato said Tobi's space/time jutsu surpasses Tobirama's if not even his own, not the other way around

 

[vlive6]

All said and done Naruto is freakin awesome if its not space time ninjutsu its definitely a first step.. I cant wait to see what Sauske's new eyes are gonna bring to the table, I bet he will surpass Madara
what new techniques will come with Narutos new form along with FTG..LMAo yeah I said it
..i dont mind being told i was wrong if im wrong
If anyone else notice when Naruto transformed his energy made the plants around him grow
whats that all about

 

[Jiraiya sensei]

Well I think it is safe to say that no matter how op Naruto seems at the moment.. he'll never actually be op in relation to his rival... we can safely assume that Sasuke is definitely as powerful, and if you follow the history.. and general rules for epic rivals.. sasuke will be more powerful, to a point

 

[Jiraiya sensei]

and then the second option is that the true final battle is sasukenaruto vs. tobi who would of course in that scenario turn out to be more powerful than either of them can handle on their own.. but who knows

 

[Tyto]

(Taken from another thread)



This... is a possibility!!!

Of course this is a possibility, due to him already improving upon the 4th's Rasengan (sp?) and thus the Rasengan Shurikin (sp?). He most likely (if the theory is correct) has to imagine the spot he wants to be..

 

[mjtuvok]

I'll explain a more into detail.

When it comes to the rasengan, it takes talent, creativity (naruto), skill and Naruto's motto of never giving up (naruto). Naruto not being as bright as his father had to use his motto on never giving up to learn it. Next, the rasengan isnt widely known because the jutsu stays in Country or in the hidden leaf. The jutsu isnt widely known either because maybe some shinobi just dont have the talent and skill to do it. Its like learning a sport, just because someone is an athlete doesnt mean he's really good at sports. Same with shinobi, just because your a ninja doesnt mean your going to learn all the jutsu that your capable of learning, unless your the 3rd but he only learned the jutsu in the hidden Leaf.

Now sage mode. First of all if you dont balance out Nature chakra with your own, then you turn into a stone frog. You dont turn into a frog if your too succesful. Second, not everyone can learn Sage mode and here I come again. Its obvious not everyone can learn Sage mode from proof that there are stone frogs from previous ninja. Its OBVIOUS those ninja didnt have the skill or talent to learn it. Third, you need huge amounts of chakra storage to learn it, even Pa frog told Naruto himself. Thats why Jman and Naruto were able to learn it because they have huge chakra reserves, not everyone has big chakra storages. Kakashi once said that Naruto has like 5x more chakra than him, then he said if he counts the Kyubbi then Naruto has like 30x more chakra.

Now to Space time jutsu and FTG. AGAIN, it takes skill and talent and time to learn difficult jutsu. This is an example of why the points you made above are PROBABLY not right. Naruto improved the rasengan to Futton Rasenshiruken, WHY you ask yourself??? Because Naruto had the creativity and skill to do it, something the 4th Hokage didnt. Kakashi mentions that, says something like "something the 4th couldnt do becasue maybe his element chakra couldnt be mixed with it, maybe the 4th didnt have time or maybe he wasnt skilled in that area to make it happen". Kakashi states that he couldnt mix his lighting with the resengan because maybe it just cant be done or maybe he doesnt have the skill to do it. So not everyone can learn space time jutsu or FTG, more than likely is because maybe you huge amounts of chakra to do which not all shinobi have, maybe the shinobi you mention no matter how good they are probably werent skill enough to learn it or maybe they never gave it a try. A reason why maybe the 3rd never learned it was probably because the 4th never gave it away or never wrote it on the forbidden jutsu scrolls. And no its not a bloodline jutsu either, its never been talked about and why would different shinobi know it like the 2nd, the 4th and Madara. They arent from the same clan so they dont carry the same blood. Couldnt you just say that the 4th created his own form of FTG (space time jutsu) just like Naruto created his own Rasenshiruken, just like Kakashi created Chidori. Kakashi probably cant do it either for the same reason why he couldnt improve the rasengan, he's not skilled enough to figure out how do it. Jman probably didnt know how to do it either, like I said the 4th created the jutsu on his own.

And yes I know if you dont have the bloodline then its obvious you cant learn a bloodline jutsu like the Sharingan, Haku's little ice trap he made, and others... When I refered to creativity, skill and talent, I refered to using that to create a jutsu or improve a jutsu.

ok I have to agree with you on most of the above...and I would add that as part of the second condition needed to master sage mode in addition to huge chakra reserves is what PA Toad mentioned that both Jariya and Naruto have which most ninja do not...THE GUTS TO NEVER GIVE UP. thats why so many failed to acheive it before and all those stone toads were there. So in Minato's case it maybe simply that he didnt have the time to finish learning Sage Mode because of the war and then becoming Hokage after that. Remember Jariya started learning Sage mode early on when he was young just like Naruto...Pa Toad mentioned this to Naruto during his training.

Just wanted to add that little bit in for reference sake...

 

[mjtuvok]

Ok would anyone care to comment on the the fact that in this weeks episode Naruto suddenly got this ability to sense the evil/hatred around him, and how this relates back to the last time Sauske and Naruto met right after Sauske killed Danzo....remember Naruto basically told Sauske that "HE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO COULD BEAR THE FULL BRUNT OF SAUSKE HATE, THAT IT WAS HIS JOB AND NO ONE ELSES" (see naruto manga 486 pg 13)

In my humble opinion this (ability)will come into play when they have their final battle, at least the full significance of what this all means will become clear then.

I also find it most intriguing that the seal he used to contain the fox inside his body was recognize by the 9 tails as a Sage of the Six path Technique and yet we have no clue as to how Naruto gained knowlege of how to use this. Unless of course it was somehow buried in his bloodline somehow. Now as soon as he uses a small portion of this fox's charkra without the Fox's 'evil-will' along with it (like he use to do in the past) His whole aura is now enhanced. For a lack of a better way to express it " the force is now strong with this one "

Like the rest of you I am excited to see where all this will lead....