[Predictions] Naruto Manga 505 Discussion and 506 Predictions

[DeathReaperSeal]

Did anybody else find it a little fishy when kisame was talking about zetsus clones or was that just me??

So i was not the only one that saw that lol, Zetsu is a real mo*f***
Now I am curious bout who the real villian is... Zetsu could easily make a Madara clone that want's to take over. But this clone would not fulfill his idea's without his creator Zetsu

 

[vlive6]

I dont think he aquired the skills when he got the fox's power i think he aquired it while fighting the fox just like the seal of the So6p to seal the fox. Also FTG is a technique and my prediction is that Naruto will be able to use it even when he is not using the fox's power.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Not saying it is the FTG tech, but I think people need to consider that it could be. Naruto could have already learned the essentials of it with Jaraiya back during their training, but he needed the Kyuubi's chakra to actually pull it off. No one knows what happened there, but it should be explained pretty soon. Also, the most likely reason Yamato says "he's not wuite at the 4th's level" or whatever is because Naruto is not as fast. The 4th hokage was widely considered the fastest character.

No Naruto was not in Sage mode because he didn't gather any sage chakra. What I thought was interesting was how they put in that the chakra was so full of life energy. Why put this in? Was it just something to fill the chapter? I doubt that. There has to be spmething there. Maybe the life energy lets him gather sage chakra while moving. It certainly makes nature react to it as shown with Yamato's wood jutsu.

Let's say we don't rule out the possibility that Naruto used the Flying Thunder God technique (which of course, he didn't). What counters is Sasuke going to have to Naruto's extraordinary new powers? It's just like the battle between Minato and Madara. Madara's space-time technique, battle experience, weapons (Nine-Tails) were all superior (not to mention eye techniques), but Minato took him down in two blows. I think many will agree that the battle was disappointing to say the least. Not to go back to the matter of Minato vs. Madara, not knowing whether Kishimoto was rushed to move on to better things, or he simply decided to have the Uchiha, who are regarded as the best of Konoha, lose once (and fairly easily at that), but it seems as if we'll see a repeat of Naruto and Sasuke's battle just like the one that took place sixteen years ago.

Naruto's strength will overwhelm Sasuke, and he will end up the same way Madara did after Hashirama defeated him. Whatever power boosts Sasuke will gain at this point, it really will be no match for the things Naruto has gotten; taking the Rasengan to an entirely newer level than previously, gaining full control of the Nine-Tails' enormous chakra, improving Sage Mode, and not to mention incredible speed. The Flying Thunder God technique will be the last nail in the coffin for Sasuke. Not even Hashirama (similar to Naruto) had such speed when fighting Madara (similar to Sasuke). I am ruling out the possibility simply because it will make Naruto too powerful for the likes of anyone to handle. What weak spot will he have? What amazing technique will Sasuke develop to expose the weak spots in Naruto's powers?

Sasuke won't have the Nine-Tails on his side, so it will be the loss of a weapon which Madara had on his side when fighting Hashirama, and still lost. Madara had the Nine-Tailed Fox again when attacking Konoha, and both won and lost at the same time (he did not destroy Konoha, was defeated by Minato in their one-on-one battle, but did force Minato to sacrifice himself to deal with the Nine-Tails, and killed off a good portion of the village's ninja, using the same weapon Minato died to seal into his son).

Having said all this, what will Sasuke do when facing Naruto? I understand they will be equals by the time they meet, but what good will Sasuke's Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan be if it can't keep up with Naruto's speed (as noted during the Raikage's fight with Sasuke)? Hopefully the circumstances behind Sasuke's new eyes will balance out the power scale between these fated rivals. But until then, I'm going to have to say it wasn't the Flying Thunder God technique Naruto used in chapter 505 simply for the reasons I stated in my post above. Coupled with the fact that Naruto might become much too powerful for anyone in the ninja world. Which I'm sure at least some agree.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Thank you very much, you never seem to give boring opinions, Keep it up mate xd

You're welcome. It's interesting to start such discussions, and I have to thank you for beginning them.

 

[Scary Yamato]

Let's say we don't rule out the possibility that Naruto used the Flying Thunder God technique (which of course, he didn't). What counters is Sasuke going to have to Naruto's extraordinary new powers? It's just like the battle between Minato and Madara. Madara's space-time technique, battle experience, weapons (Nine-Tails) were all superior (not to mention eye techniques), but Minato took him down in two blows. I think many will agree that the battle was disappointing to say the least. Not to go back to the matter of Minato vs. Madara, not knowing whether Kishimoto was rushed to move on to better things, or he simply decided to have the Uchiha, who are regarded as the best of Konoha, lose once (and fairly easily at that), but it seems as if we'll see a repeat of Naruto and Sasuke's battle just like the one that took place sixteen years ago.

Naruto's strength will overwhelm Sasuke, and he will end up the same way Madara did after Hashirama defeated him. Whatever power boosts Sasuke will gain at this point, it really will be no match for the things Naruto has gotten; taking the Rasengan to an entirely newer level than previously, gaining full control of the Nine-Tails' enormous chakra, improving Sage Mode, and not to mention incredible speed. The Flying Thunder God technique will be the last nail in the coffin for Sasuke. Not even Hashirama (similar to Naruto) had such speed when fighting Madara (similar to Sasuke). I am ruling out the possibility simply because it will make Naruto too powerful for the likes of anyone to handle. What weak spot will he have? What amazing technique will Sasuke develop to expose the weak spots in Naruto's powers?

Sasuke won't have the Nine-Tails on his side, so it will be the loss of a weapon which Madara had on his side when fighting Hashirama, and still lost. Madara had the Nine-Tailed Fox again when attacking Konoha, and both won and lost at the same time (he did not destroy Konoha, was defeated by Minato in their one-on-one battle, but did force Minato to sacrifice himself to deal with the Nine-Tails, and killed off a good portion of the village's ninja, using the same weapon Minato died to seal into his son).

Having said all this, what will Sasuke do when facing Naruto? I understand they will be equals by the time they meet, but what good will Sasuke's Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan be if it can't keep up with Naruto's speed (as noted during the Raikage's fight with Sasuke)? Hopefully the circumstances behind Sasuke's new eyes will balance out the power scale between these fated rivals. But until then, I'm going to have to say it wasn't the Flying Thunder God technique Naruto used in chapter 505 simply for the reasons I stated in my post above. Coupled with the fact that Naruto might become much too powerful for anyone in the ninja world. Which I'm sure at least some agree.

100% agree with your above statement. It's widely believed that FTG worked through seals on the 4ths kunai (along with other seals he placed around the village to move at high speeds [ex: his house]). since naruto does not have such seals or equipment, its UNLIKELY that its FTG. However, MAYBE the marking on the kunai were more of like a focal point for minato for him to concentrate his chakra to that point, and MAYBE naruto uses the same technique without the focal point since he is so pumped now.

We still dont know how he reacts to genjutsu... but my guess is that he can overpower it with his 6-paths mode -_-

I wonder what mysteries lie within "life force" chakra. maybe its the true chakra the Sot6P used which contains the essence of all life. to think the 9-tails was hoarding it for himself and not letting any other bijuu have any

 

[dexter64]

At the end of the day, it will be Kishi decision whether it's FTG or not. It doesn't matter to me, I can live with whatever Kishi tell us. However, below I will list things to think about.

1. Yes, Shino said teleportation is high speed movement. Is it correct? I know nothing about Japanese language, so I don't know if the translation is correct or not. But personally I don't agree with the translation. I think the correct translation would be body flicker. Teleportation is more than high speed movement, at least in Startrek, it involved in dissolving the partikel at the place of origin and rebuild it at the destination and the destination could be miles apart. We don't know how this space/time jutsu works in Naruto world, but I think it's save to say that instead of Startrek term, Naruto world's teleportation will be something simpler as in it simply manipulates the space and time at the same time and your body is still solid. What Tobi did was beyond normal space/time jutsu, he did the Startrek thing, dissolving and rebuilding his own body parts.
2. FTG is part of Minato's space/time jutsu ability. The key of FTG is the seal not the kunai. The seal is set as the destination, however how it works exactly hasn't been told. I think the seal would contains something like a number that set it apart from another seal (short of a coordinate in Startrek). The seal in this case help Minato a lot, it made him faster. I suspect there is another way to set a destination without using a seal albeit it will be slower.
3. Space/time jutsu could be a bloodline limit, because so far there are only limited people that capable of doing this jutsu. Up until now in Konoha we only know 3 users, the 2nd, the 4th and Tobi/Madara (if he is Madara). If it's not blood line limit, then surely all the jounin would be capable of doing it to some degree. Body flicker on the other hand is not blood line limit. If the space/time jutsu is bloodline limit, then it needs to be awaken hence Naruto can use it without learning it first. Somehow when trying to control the 9 tails, Naruto activated his bloodline limit.

A lot of things happened that for me more puzzling than FTG.
1. How Naruto got the SO6P necklace?
2. How Naruto could do some of SO6P techniques?
3. How Naruto suddenly could do sealing techniques?

The question no. 1 I think I have to wait for Kishi to tell us.
As for the sealing techniques, I can only think 1 possible explaination, Naruto learnt it from Jiraiya, but I guess we still have to wait for Kishi.

 

[vlive6]

seriously... It is what it is... FTG technique!!! why does everyone have to make everything so compicated.. He is his fathers son...
come on . dont you think bee sama would have been able to determine the difference between body flicker and and teleportation.. his brother is Raikage..
and everyone is forgetting along with the fox he also has his mother and father's chakra within in him too
mother = sealing clan= so6p seal maybe
father= ftg "TECHNIQUE"=knowledge not a power so i would asume that Naruto would be able to use it with or without the fox's power

also Guy-vs-Kisame I am thinking the 2 of them have some history that we dont know abt
there are too many odd moments when the 2 have come face to face

naruto will be using sage mode and will become more powerful w/o the fox im predicting there will be still some drawback with using the fox's power
the reason is Naruto is stll not in full control of all the fox power within him(for example the way bee is with the eight tails, they have a prtnership)

 

[vlive6]

this chapter was awesome!!
i just wanna say that i think this new mode isnt kyuubi mode, i think its some sort of state similar to the one in avatar, when his eyes and arrow glow and he can use all elements. when naruto entered this mode yamatos wood reacted to his chakra/life energy. what if when naruto enters this state he can use all elements (the 6 element necklace tattoo he has)
i also think the "teleportation" is a level one space time tech, and i think he will train to upgrade it to the 4th's level or better?

what do u guys think?

i agree ..makes a lot more sense then most things ive heard so far

 

[uhIpooped]

OK ok ok people... I dont think we can assume Naruto uses FTG... As i recall when he learned SM, his speed increased exponentially, and only a few could keep up with his speed (watching him that is) ... Now that he has the Kyuubi chakara, I think that his speed increased 100 fold what the SM did... and to an onlooker it would appear to be teleportation when it is not in fact teleporting ...
plus the distance was minimal, and he prolly could have done close to the same in SM... just a thought...

All in all Excelent chapter! props Kishi!

 

[vlive6]

Thaks silenceofthelambs for clarifying that, but your still going to have people who choose not to read previous posts keep posting about Naruto learning FTG. Ive been saying that since this thread was created. For the guy who mention above that we have to consider Naruto knowing FTG from his training with Jman, there's no way. Everytime the 4th has been shown in the manga and uses FTG, someone always states something about it. For example when he was fighting Madara, Shikamaru's father and Choji's father mention that its the 4th fighting and mention that it was space time barrier. Everytime he uses FTG the manga shows a seal on a kunai or something. They also show the 4th putting a seal on Madara himself. So why wouldnt the manga show Naruto using a seal, he waved no signs and showed no seals... Also why wouldnt Jman had shown that he knew how to use FTG if you believe that he might have showed Naruto how to use it. Someone who doesnt know how to do a technique cant teach someone how to do it.


And NO, Naruto cannot gather Sage chakra while moving just because he's using the 9tails chakra. Yamato mention it was a chakra full of life... Its kind of like he is describing the chakra because it made his wood-techniques react differently. I doubt there's anthing interesting about it. My guess its just that the 9tails chakra is so powerful and exotic that its reacting differently from the other tailed beast's chakra, since it is the 9tails which is the most powerful demon of all.

not trying to start an argument but if this is so about the seals how does madara use space time jutsu w/o the seals, and why cant it be that just like the raisengan naruto has taken FTG to the next level also and doesnt need the seals because of maybe his senses

 

[Scary Yamato]

Naruto's incarnation if the 9-tails seems different from bee's. I'm guessing it has something to do with the type of seal. While bee converses with the 8-tails, naruto has a floating glob of chakra... maybe if naruto completely releases the seal he can talk with the "good fox"

 

[Zurita210]

At the end of the day, it will be Kishi decision whether it's FTG or not. It doesn't matter to me, I can live with whatever Kishi tell us. However, below I will list things to think about.

1. Yes, Shino said teleportation is high speed movement. Is it correct? I know nothing about Japanese language, so I don't know if the translation is correct or not. But personally I don't agree with the translation. I think the correct translation would be body flicker. Teleportation is more than high speed movement, at least in Startrek, it involved in dissolving the partikel at the place of origin and rebuild it at the destination and the destination could be miles apart. We don't know how this space/time jutsu works in Naruto world, but I think it's save to say that instead of Startrek term, Naruto world's teleportation will be something simpler as in it simply manipulates the space and time at the same time and your body is still solid. What Tobi did was beyond normal space/time jutsu, he did the Startrek thing, dissolving and rebuilding his own body parts.
2. FTG is part of Minato's space/time jutsu ability. The key of FTG is the seal not the kunai. The seal is set as the destination, however how it works exactly hasn't been told. I think the seal would contains something like a number that set it apart from another seal (short of a coordinate in Startrek). The seal in this case help Minato a lot, it made him faster. I suspect there is another way to set a destination without using a seal albeit it will be slower.
3. Space/time jutsu could be a bloodline limit, because so far there are only limited people that capable of doing this jutsu. Up until now in Konoha we only know 3 users, the 2nd, the 4th and Tobi/Madara (if he is Madara). If it's not blood line limit, then surely all the jounin would be capable of doing it to some degree. Body flicker on the other hand is not blood line limit. If the space/time jutsu is bloodline limit, then it needs to be awaken hence Naruto can use it without learning it first. Somehow when trying to control the 9 tails, Naruto activated his bloodline limit.

A lot of things happened that for me more puzzling than FTG.
1. How Naruto got the SO6P necklace?
2. How Naruto could do some of SO6P techniques?
3. How Naruto suddenly could do sealing techniques?

The question no. 1 I think I have to wait for Kishi to tell us.
As for the sealing techniques, I can only think 1 possible explaination, Naruto learnt it from Jiraiya, but I guess we still have to wait for Kishi.

FTG could be a blood line limit but its not. You say if it wasnt, wouldnt other jounin be able to do it. How about talent and skill, just becaue your a shinobi doesnt mean you are capable of doing all kinds of techniques. Its like the rasengan, only 4 that we have seen can do it. Jman, the 4th, Kakashi and Naruto. So just because they are the only 4 that can do it, does that mean that the Rasengan is a blood line limit????? Its obvious that its not... Naruto was able to improve the rasengan, somthing that the 4th couldnt do, maybe because in that department Naruto had more creativity to make it happen and in that department Naruto was more talented and skilled... Also goes with Naruto's motto of never giving up. How about Sage mode, Naruto was more talented and skillfull to be able to master Sage mode at a higher level than Jman. So sage mode must be a blood line lmit too since not all the other jounin are doing it, right???? WRONG

 

[Studmuffin]

So i was not the only one that saw that lol, Zetsu is a real mo*f***
Now I am curious bout who the real villian is... Zetsu could easily make a Madara clone that want's to take over. But this clone would not fulfill his idea's without his creator Zetsu

Yes yes very suspicious. If it was zetsu that would clear up a lot of stuff. He is one crafty plant thingy

 

[Zurita210]

seriously... It is what it is... FTG technique!!! why does everyone have to make everything so compicated.. He is his fathers son...
come on . dont you think bee sama would have been able to determine the difference between body flicker and and teleportation.. his brother is Raikage..
and everyone is forgetting along with the fox he also has his mother and father's chakra within in him too
mother = sealing clan= so6p seal maybe
father= ftg "TECHNIQUE"=knowledge not a power so i would asume that Naruto would be able to use it with or without the fox's power

also Guy-vs-Kisame I am thinking the 2 of them have some history that we dont know abt
there are too many odd moments when the 2 have come face to face

naruto will be using sage mode and will become more powerful w/o the fox im predicting there will be still some drawback with using the fox's power
the reason is Naruto is stll not in full control of all the fox power within him(for example the way bee is with the eight tails, they have a prtnership)

What are you talking about???? Naruto doesnt have his mother and father's chakra inside of him. The 4th used the last of his chakra and Kushina's to stay in Naruto so when the time came they would be able to see him and explain to him what happened. Naruto didnt just observed it and now he's able to do FTG and able to throw chains out of his body like Kushina does. There was only enough chakra in there for them to say what they needed to say and just like that they vanished.

 

[Scary Yamato]

not trying to start an argument but if this is so about the seals how does madara use space time jutsu w/o the seals, and why cant it be that just like the raisengan naruto has taken FTG to the next level also and doesnt need the seals because of maybe his senses

MAdara has his own technique. Probably related to his sharingan. Manato developed FTG, which is preseumable based on seals. 2 different techniques, which WILL NOT work the same.

 

[Zurita210]

Thank you "scary yamato" for clearing that up. I pretty much were going to say the same

 

[vlive6]

MAdara has his own technique. Probably related to his sharingan. Manato developed FTG, which is preseumable based on seals. 2 different techniques, which WILL NOT work the same.

ok let me rephrase what i said then, maybe its not FTG technique sense thats what the 4th used, but how people have been saying that it is not space time jutsu because there arent any seals used.. My point is that madara doesnt use any seals and i am almost sure that it does have to do with his sharringan, but still no seals..

someone was also talking abt Naruto is too powerfull for any villan, we dont know what Sauskes new eyes are gonna bring, the sharringan already operated as if the user was gonna know your next move before you do it, what if it gives Sauske the ability to see into the future,,,now thats gonna be hard to beat.... Im no Sauske fan ,just expressing my opinion

 

[Joegonzo]

Let's say we don't rule out the possibility that Naruto used the Flying Thunder God technique (which of course, he didn't). What counters is Sasuke going to have to Naruto's extraordinary new powers? It's just like the battle between Minato and Madara. Madara's space-time technique, battle experience, weapons (Nine-Tails) were all superior (not to mention eye techniques), but Minato took him down in two blows. I think many will agree that the battle was disappointing to say the least. Not to go back to the matter of Minato vs. Madara, not knowing whether Kishimoto was rushed to move on to better things, or he simply decided to have the Uchiha, who are regarded as the best of Konoha, lose once (and fairly easily at that), but it seems as if we'll see a repeat of Naruto and Sasuke's battle just like the one that took place sixteen years ago.

Naruto's strength will overwhelm Sasuke, and he will end up the same way Madara did after Hashirama defeated him. Whatever power boosts Sasuke will gain at this point, it really will be no match for the things Naruto has gotten; taking the Rasengan to an entirely newer level than previously, gaining full control of the Nine-Tails' enormous chakra, improving Sage Mode, and not to mention incredible speed. The Flying Thunder God technique will be the last nail in the coffin for Sasuke. Not even Hashirama (similar to Naruto) had such speed when fighting Madara (similar to Sasuke). I am ruling out the possibility simply because it will make Naruto too powerful for the likes of anyone to handle. What weak spot will he have? What amazing technique will Sasuke develop to expose the weak spots in Naruto's powers?

Sasuke won't have the Nine-Tails on his side, so it will be the loss of a weapon which Madara had on his side when fighting Hashirama, and still lost. Madara had the Nine-Tailed Fox again when attacking Konoha, and both won and lost at the same time (he did not destroy Konoha, was defeated by Minato in their one-on-one battle, but did force Minato to sacrifice himself to deal with the Nine-Tails, and killed off a good portion of the village's ninja, using the same weapon Minato died to seal into his son).

Having said all this, what will Sasuke do when facing Naruto? I understand they will be equals by the time they meet, but what good will Sasuke's Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan be if it can't keep up with Naruto's speed (as noted during the Raikage's fight with Sasuke)? Hopefully the circumstances behind Sasuke's new eyes will balance out the power scale between these fated rivals. But until then, I'm going to have to say it wasn't the Flying Thunder God technique Naruto used in chapter 505 simply for the reasons I stated in my post above. Coupled with the fact that Naruto might become much too powerful for anyone in the ninja world. Which I'm sure at least some agree.

That is another reason why I believe Naruto will get the FTG jutsu. Sasuke new eyes will be an insane power up. Naruto said before he went off to learn that Sasuke was stronger than him. At that point Naruto had already learned Sage Mode, his rsenshuriken, and everything else besides controlling the fox. So lets say they were about even there(though Naruto says otherwise). Naruto leanrs how to control the fox and Sasuke gets his new eyes which are said to come with an extra jutsu. Their is also the possibility that he upgrades Susanoo to the level Itachi had gotten them. Yes, the upgrade Naruto has gotten is likely better than Sasuke's new EMS(slightly), but they are still about even if you consider Sasuke's new eye tech that he is going to get. If Sasuke does indeed get Yata's mirror and the other thing Itachi had on his Susanoo(can't remember the name), there will be no question of them being equal and no one should think Naruto is still stronger power wise. Sasuke is going to surpass Madara(it is a theme of the series) and Naruto will surpass all hokages before him. As you have said in other threads, Madara did not actually get beaten by Minato. He ran away. It would have been a much longer battle if both went all out and Madara was at full power(though Minato still would have won).

 

[vlive6]

What are you talking about???? Naruto doesnt have his mother and father's chakra inside of him. The 4th used the last of his chakra and Kushina's to stay in Naruto so when the time came they would be able to see him and explain to him what happened. Naruto didnt just observed it and now he's able to do FTG and able to throw chains out of his body like Kushina does. There was only enough chakra in there for them to say what they needed to say and just like that they vanished.

ok ,, I know that Naruto doesnt still have his mother and fathers chakras,,, I do know this, what i am saying is if a can implant "myself" in you using my chakra why cant i implan something as simple as a technique....Wala

 

[vlive6]

That is another reason why I believe Naruto will get the FTG jutsu. Sasuke new eyes will be an insane power up. Naruto said before he went off to learn that Sasuke was stronger than him. At that point Naruto had already learned Sage Mode, his rsenshuriken, and everything else besides controlling the fox. So lets say they were about even there(though Naruto says otherwise). Naruto leanrs how to control the fox and Sasuke gets his new eyes which are said to come with an extra jutsu. Their is also the possibility that he upgrades Susanoo to the level Itachi had gotten them. Yes, the upgrade Naruto has gotten is likely better than Sasuke's new EMS(slightly), but they are still about even if you consider Sasuke's new eye tech that he is going to get. If Sasuke does indeed get Yata's mirror and the other thing Itachi had on his Susanoo(can't remember the name), there will be no question of them being equal and no one should think Naruto is still stronger power wise. Sasuke is going to surpass Madara(it is a theme of the series) and Naruto will surpass all hokages before him. As you have said in other threads, Madara did not actually get beaten by Minato. He ran away. It would have been a much longer battle if both went all out and Madara was at full power(though Minato still would have won).

i thought that he said that if they fought they both would die not that Sauske was stronger than him,,, i may be wrong my memory is not so good