[Predictions] Naruto Manga 500 Discussion and 501 Predictions

[Ero sennin]

also with this chapter i think we can understand why minto sealed the fox into naruto if childbirth weakens the seal a male host would make that possibility null and void. plus i think madara regerets that night because now naruto has kinda put a wrench in his plans so far and he had the best opertunity to take care of him he never did that.

 

[Michael92]

I personally think that wasn't Madara. It seemed more like it was Zetsu. He was walking through walls rather then teleporting, which is what Zetsu does, and the ANBU, the way they were defeated being pulled into the ground? Madara might have ordered Zetsu to make a copy of himself and had him go in. I'm sure the last thing Madara would want is to be stuck in a cave when Minato attacks and the Kyubi is free when his priority is only the Kyubi.

That`s exactly what i said a couples of post ago. I guess we agree on that part

 

[Hipster Madara]

Moving this over from the 499 thread.

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Originally Posted by irkool_budd
WHAT THE!!! I never thought twas the UZUMAKI who originated the seals! and they are blood ralated to the SENJU!!! WHEWWWWW!!! Never saw that coming!

ps... pfff...its so! sigh

Blood related doesn't necessarily mean Senju though, it does mean they are, either another clan descended from the So6P's or one that developed out of marriage to the Senju/Hyuga/Uchiha or some other clan that came from the Sage's sons (there really could be an infinite number of clans that are blood related over a long enough period of time).


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Originally Posted by dryman19
debate is over "naruto is a senju after all" beside its time for tobi to be unmasked now we know that 1st have wife and she did give birth "who is first hokage's son/daughter"

The debate won't be over about Naruto being Senju until it is made clear that Minato is a direct Senju descendent (which is definitely hinted at by the comparison to the first hokage and his Uzumaki wife) because what was made clear is that the Uzumaki are blood related to the Senju but so are the Hyuga and the Uchiha if you want to get technical. More than likely the Senju and Uzumaki are both clans that came from the So6P's youngest son like the Uchiha and Hyuga are both clans that came from the older son. In either case Naruto most likely received a double dose of the So6P's youngest son's DNA by having both parents blood related to him.

Kishi really likes to work in groups of two with his story so I think it is most likely that the Senju and Uzumaki are much the same as the Hyuga and Uchiha with one clan coming from the other (at least that was one of the theories, that the Uchiha came from the Hyuga at some point in the past). If that is the case I think it is likely that the Uzumaki are the more ancient clan and that the Senju came from them (the reason I think that is because of the Uzumaki's long lives a trait shared by the So6P's). I wish we would have gotten a little bit more info on Hashirama's children because I really would like that direct connection to Tsunade to be clear (was her father or her mother Senju for instance and who did they hook up with to have her). I'm pretty sure we will eventually (hopefully next chapter) get to find out who Minato's parents were (I'm still rooting for Tsunade and Jiraiya) which will give us the final pieces of Naruto's lineage although it won't explain why he isn't a Namikaze unless Minato and Kushina weren't married yet or maybe they wanted to continue the Uzumaki clans name because of its direct link to the So6P's.

In any case quite the twist seems to be developing with Kushina's friend being Sasuke's mother and it appears she was the only one that knew Kushina was on her way to have Naruto. Did she intentionally sell her out? Was Sasuke's father in on it? Is he Madara? So many questions that aren't likely to get answered anytime soon it's driving me nuts. Also why when they talk about the incident 16 years ago do they all just call him the masked man and not once say Madara. I'm really starting to think that Tobi isn't Madara at all and it was Madara's corpse in the coffin Kabuto had. Not to mention what is the connection to the thirds father being named Sasuke, was he Uchiha or was Mikoto maybe his relation (daughter perhaps)? I'm thinking there is an important link there or it wouldn't have been included.

I was hoping for a double or extended chapter but this was awesome all the same, let's just hope it keeps going next week and that we finally get to see Sasuke's new eye's (I'm still betting on Rinnegan)!

He is an uzumaki because the third thought it was better that the people don't know he was related to minato because his birth was top secret and all that

 

[Renegade87]

awesome chap...hope we get to see madara's face in the next one.

 

[mycamerabroke]

THAT WAS EPIC! I like how we got some background on kushinas village and learned the abilities of her clan.

Best quote ever!
"That's why women have babies, because men can't handle pain."

 

[culinaryg]

well if madara killed naruto then im pretty sure minato wouldve been the the title of this manga n how he killed n raped uchiha afterwards


tsunade should become a jinchuuriki after this is all done she gcan become forever young n unlimited healing to everyone in the village

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lol second paragraph

 

[Rhomm]

It was a good chapter. Lots of explaining and flashback. Kushina herself may be responsible for Madara finding out by talking to Sasuke's Mom (was interesting to note that she is from the Sarutobi clan, naming Sasuke after her grandfather, Sasuke Sarutobi). Overall, it was good but i could see imporvement.

 

[Mino]

THAT WAS EPIC! I like how we got some background on kushinas village and learned the abilities of her clan.

Best quote ever!
"That's why women have babies, because men can't handle pain."

haha say that to pain!!! that would be awesome xd

 

[Mino]

madara is using naruto as a way to make minato retreat.

madara is weak...

something is telling me that madara and sasuke's mom and dad had connection with him

not making much sense here jk, but seriously if I was someone like madara I would also use someones newborn son or whatever as leverage! this does not show that madara is weak, but on the contrary strong. he took care of those ANBU like nothing.. even though the ANBU has been portrait ed as surprisingly weak against even other jounins. anyway madara is anything else than weak being the main evil dude till now and such

 

[silenceofthelambs]

madara is using naruto as a way to make minato retreat.

madara is weak...

something is telling me that madara and sasuke's mom and dad had connection with him

Madara is using Naruto as a brilliant way to disarm Minato. If you were caught in that situation, how would you react? As far as I see it, Madara has just defeated Minato; what can he do? If he makes any move to go after Madara, Naruto is dead. But if he lets Madara have the Nine-Tails, Kushina will die; either way it is a lose-lose situation. I suppose the fox will be released, with Madara taking control if it, and the story will pick up right where it did with chapter one; Minato sacrificing his life to seal the Nine-Tailed Fox into Naruto. "Madara is weak;" that makes me laugh. Mind telling everyone here why? You sure "proved me wrong" on the other thread, didn't you?

 

[gamermike93]

good chapter overall now since we got more information i wonder if naruto will start learning seal and also since he is from the whirlpool vfillage maybe his second element is water. maybe he will work on his water element and combine the 2 and make a hurricane katrina shuriken.(no offensed)

 

[silenceofthelambs]

not making much sense here jk, but seriously if I was someone like madara I would also use someones newborn son or whatever as leverage! this does not show that madara is weak, but on the contrary strong. he took care of those ANBU like nothing.. even though the ANBU has been portrait ed as surprisingly weak against even other jounins. anyway madara is anything else than weak being the main evil dude till now and such

That's exactly what I said, and I just saw your post. Minato is powerless at the moment; his son is in life-threatening danger, and Kushina is about to die in the next few minutes as well. Madara has caught the three in the worst situation possible. Madara is exceptionally powerful to be able to handle those ANBU as if they are no obstacle at all, then disarm the Hokage the next moment. Madara almost reminds me of a certain character in one of Charles Dickens' novels, from Oliver Twist: Monks. Both have completely irredeemable qualities, and are out to destroy the one obstacle that stands in their way from completing their plans: in Dickens' novel, it is Oliver (who in the beginning of the book, is a baby who also has a mysterious past), and in Naruto, it is...Naruto (also having an enigmatic past), who along with Killer Bee, stands in the way of the completion of Madara's Moon's Eye Plan. Kishimoto has definitely produced some wonderful villains in his series, and they are memorable. Each of their actions make the collective audience of the series cry out in anger, frustration, and a number of other emotions. I suppose that's why this series has gained such popularity.

 

[cryhwks]

LOLOL funny thing is, I do know why. The Uchiha clan was planning a coup, but the Konoha elders had no proof even though Itachi was giving them the correct info. When Madara attacked Kushina and released the fox, Minato managed to stop it, but the elders took this as a way to force blame on the Uchiha's saying it was their fault even though Minato and Kushina knew it was Madara. The elders wanted to eliminate the Uchiha's. The fox incident gave them a reason too when asked questions. But the true reason was because of the coup. If the fox incidient never occured, then they could've ordered Itachi to attack, and when asked questions if the truth was discovered, then they can say it was cause the Uchihas were planning a coup with no information, or they could've set the Uchihas up or wait for another reason to come.

The point is, the elders always wanted the Uchihas gone cause of the coup they were planning, Madara had nothing to do with the feelings the elders had. Madara DID provide an easy false accusation against the Uchihas though, so he made it easier on the elders. The Uchihas would've been eliminated one way or another, sooooooo, what's that phrase I'm looking for? Oh yea... GOOD FIGHT!

Wrong the Uchiha clan only started planning there coup after the Kyuubi attack because Konoha thought they had something to do with it the moved there clan to a corner of the village to watch them & thats when they started to plan there coup because of what there old elder once said that they would always be subservient to the Senju that was Madara & because of Konoha's paranoia that is what lead to the Uchiha clan massacre.

 

[cryhwks]

Re: Naruto Manga 500 is out

I agree with everything you're saying, but didn't Madara help Itachi kill everyone? Why would he do that if he was the one sparking the fire for the coup?

Well he probably held grudge with them for not following him out of there the 1st time & because of that he had to fight the 1st Hokage alone & he lost alot of his powers in that fight so i would guess he felt they got exactly what they deserved

 

[SSJ3Gotenks]

Why can't we be shown Madara's face already. I am getting sick of waiting for this what the hell is Kishi hiding behind that mask.

 

[Mino]

Why can't we be shown Madara's face already. I am getting sick of waiting for this what the hell is Kishi hiding behind that mask.

Madaras face i guess?

 

[Blizzard589]

I personally think that wasn't Madara. It seemed more like it was Zetsu. He was walking through walls rather then teleporting, which is what Zetsu does, and the ANBU, the way they were defeated being pulled into the ground? Madara might have ordered Zetsu to make a copy of himself and had him go in. I'm sure the last thing Madara would want is to be stuck in a cave when Minato attacks and the Kyubi is free when his priority is only the Kyubi.

He didn't pull anyone into the ground. Look at the sound effects "Splish splish"... That was water. It was a cave in a rock wall overlooking a river.

 

[Hipster Madara]

LOLOL funny thing is, I do know why. The Uchiha clan was planning a coup, but the Konoha elders had no proof even though Itachi was giving them the correct info. When Madara attacked Kushina and released the fox, Minato managed to stop it, but the elders took this as a way to force blame on the Uchiha's saying it was their fault even though Minato and Kushina knew it was Madara. The elders wanted to eliminate the Uchiha's. The fox incident gave them a reason too when asked questions. But the true reason was because of the coup. If the fox incidient never occured, then they could've ordered Itachi to attack, and when asked questions if the truth was discovered, then they can say it was cause the Uchihas were planning a coup with no information, or they could've set the Uchihas up or wait for another reason to come.

The point is, the elders always wanted the Uchihas gone cause of the coup they were planning, Madara had nothing to do with the feelings the elders had. Madara DID provide an easy false accusation against the Uchihas though, so he made it easier on the elders. The Uchihas would've been eliminated one way or another, sooooooo, what's that phrase I'm looking for? Oh yea... GOOD FIGHT!

It was MADARA because he released the fox remember DUH!!!! the elders didn't just discriminate them because they FELT like it

 

[Mino]

That's exactly what I said, and I just saw your post. Minato is powerless at the moment; his son is in life-threatening danger, and Kushina is about to die in the next few minutes as well. Madara has caught the three in the worst situation possible. Madara is exceptionally powerful to be able to handle those ANBU as if they are no obstacle at all, then disarm the Hokage the next moment. Madara almost reminds me of a certain character in one of Charles Dickens' novels, from Oliver Twist: Monks. Both have completely irredeemable qualities, and are out to destroy the one obstacle that stands in their way from completing their plans: in Dickens' novel, it is Oliver (who in the beginning of the book, is a baby who also has a mysterious past), and in Naruto, it is...Naruto (also having an enigmatic past), who along with Killer Bee, stands in the way of the completion of Madara's Moon's Eye Plan. Kishimoto has definitely produced some wonderful villains in his series, and they are memorable. Each of their actions make the collective audience of the series cry out in anger, frustration, and a number of other emotions. I suppose that's why this series has gained such popularity.

yeah seems like I beat you too it anyway I we agree, but no need to flame others eh? if they dont see facts for facts or logic for logic then there is no reason trying to reason with someone who already made their mind even before evidence was presented but at least madara is not just pure evil. he obviously let naruto live on. maybe he regrets about that now that naruto seems to reach new heights.. I cant wait for the war honestly....

 

[silenceofthelambs]

He didn't pull anyone into the ground. Look at the sound effects "Splish splish"... That was water. It was a cave in a rock wall overlooking a river.

It is highly likely that the "masked murderer" who confronted Kushina, Minato, and Naruto is Madara Uchiha; if you look at the manga, you notice that Madara simply passed through the wall, which is his special ability. Besides, with a matter as important as the Nine-Tails, I'm sure that Madara wouldn't want to leave the job to someone else; and even if he did, someone has to control the fox when it is released, and that person is Madara. Who else would use the Nine-Tails to get revenge against the Uchiha and Senju? Considering his plans, it could only be Madara. At this point, I'm not seeing a different person who would confront Minato, along with his wife and son, but if there is, that would definitely be surprising, to say the least.